Khadr - Court rules he must be Repatriated

[Sir Bandelot]

Canada is just looking to repeat the same mistakes as the US did in thier attempts to bring justice about....trying to equate US civil law with inter national law and the conventions regarding persons in combat...or trying to uphold the same standards of evidence and investagation.

As much as some of you spout off irrelevant ideas about what should be done with him, the politicos cannot easily do what is not allowed by law. But they have the ability to make new laws, and change existing ones so that they will have better options when dealing with cases like this. It appears that they do not have any interest in it, or they don't think that far ahead. I expect he will return, be set free and will sue the government and win a huge cash settlement.

[Hydraboss]

If he ever sees the light of day, give him the phone number of the john howard society and be done with it.

• We didn't take him to Afghanistan
  
• We didn't make him join Al Qaeda
  
• We didn't teach him to make IEDs
  
• We didn't take him prisoner
  
• We didn't treat his wounds
  
• We didn't incarcerate him on an Island Paradise.
  

Our obligations to him are zero.

What has all this got to do with anything? You're obviously off on a rant trying to use facts to confuse the situation.

Little Terrorist will be returned to Canada, set free with blithering appologies, handed millions of taxpayers dollars, given a parade, and then the NDP and Liberals will request an Order of Canada medal for him (but without the Canadian reference on it...we wouldn't want to offend peoples of other cultures).

You should know better Dancer.

[M.Dancer]

I expect he will return, be set free and will sue the government and win a huge cash settlement.

I don't think the Americans will be letting him go so quickly. There is still the trial which has not been concluded as well as the high possibility he will re-offend. Thgere is still a good chance he will spend his remaining days in a Federal Prison and given sturdy bedsheets.

[Army Guy]

As much as some of you spout off irrelevant ideas about what should be done with him, the politicos cannot easily do what is not allowed by law. But they have the ability to make new laws, and change existing ones so that they will have better options when dealing with cases like this. It appears that they do not have any interest in it, or they don't think that far ahead. I expect he will return, be set free and will sue the government and win a huge cash settlement.

I don't recall spouting off any irrelevent ideas, returning him to face justice in the country in which the crime was commited is i believe in inter national law and agreements signed by both countries....the rest of your post actually mirrors mine...

What should concern us all is that justice is served fully....and not just swept under the carpet as not to offend anyone, as we have done with others in the same family....It sends a clear message to the rest of the world we don't have the nuts to bring about justice....That terrorist are welcome in our country....That we actually care more about what happens to bad guys than we do our own soldiers....

[benny]

I don't think the Americans will be letting him go so quickly. There is still the trial which has not been concluded as well as the high possibility he will re-offend. Thgere is still a good chance he will spend his remaining days in a Federal Prison and given sturdy bedsheets.

Until the trial has not been concluded, we cannot know if he was once an offender.

[Sir Bandelot]

I don't recall spouting off any irrelevent ideas, returning him to face justice in the country in which the crime was commited is i believe in inter national law and agreements signed by both countries....the rest of your post actually mirrors mine...

It was not your ideas I referred to. I meant the "silly" ones. But whatever makes their day

[Sir Bandelot]

Until the trial has not been concluded, we cannot know if he was once an offender.

RIGHT... law comes first. and as I said, if the laws are inadequate, there are options for dealing with that ahead of time. Maybe too late now.

Gitmo is a legal grey zone, there doesn't need to be a trial. Thats what not Gitmo is all about. Hence the reason they can be held indefinitely, and never come before a judge. If the case proceeds, under which countries law? If by military tribunal, does that make him a prisoner of war?

[M.Dancer]

If by military tribunal, does that make him a prisoner of war?

In order to be a bonafide prisoner of war, you must first be a lawful combatant under the rules of the Geneva Convention.

Not withstanding, under the GC unlawful combatants are treated in the same way as POWs with the exception that there may be a trial. There is no rule that the trial must follow civilian or military law.

[benny]

RIGHT... law comes first. and as I said, if the laws are inadequate, there are options for dealing with that ahead of time. Maybe too late now.

Gitmo is a legal grey zone, there doesn't need to be a trial. Thats what not Gitmo is all about. Hence the reason they can be held indefinitely, and never come before a judge. If the case proceeds, under which countries law? If by military tribunal, does that make him a prisoner of war?

Mature people, and especially lawyers, should know that a child always represents a fresh beginning for the World. There is no good country, no good laws, no good prisons, where mature people lose touch of their childhood.

[g_bambino]

I didn't say punishment, or penalty, I said remedy.

And what is normally the "remedy" for an illegal action, if not punnishment? But, okay, I'll use your terminology: repatriating Khadr does nothing to remedy CSIS' breach of Khar's Canadian rights.

[benny]

repatriating Khadr does nothing to remedy CSIS' breach of Khar's Canadian rights.

Don't wary about that so much! When free, people like Khadr often find solace in studying law and becoming lawyer.

[Radsickle]

While all democracies have to protect themselves against terrorist attack, they must do so in a way that does not betray their principles. Being democracies, they have to fight with one hand tied behind their back, and being democracies, they win because they exercise restraint. Thus torture should be prohibited in any democratic society. Interrogations must be rigorous, but they must always be lawful.

-- Michael Ignatieff

It's those who want to ignore Khadr's rights who are a greater threat to Canada.

[M.Dancer]

It's those who want to ignore Khadr's rights who are a greater threat to Canada.

He has all the rights he needs under the Geneva Convention. On a side note, the US hasn't executed an illegal combatant under the rules of the Geneva convention in over 30 years. Hopefuly his right to humane execution will be respected .

[CANADIEN]

Fingernails pulled out, were they? Hung from his wrists and whipped? Electrocuted? Hot pokers shoved into his eyes? Castrated?

Amounts to torture? Give us grownups a break.

Prolongued operiods of sleep depravation, beatings, short-shackling, repeated use of stress positions, refusal of medical treatment, forced labour designed specifically to make an injury worse, threats of torture, threats of rape.

At least, he didn't have to read your postings.

[Smallc]

I find it interesting how so many here can consider someone guilty without proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

[M.Dancer]

I find it interesting how so many here can consider someone guilty without proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

You are making the mistake of assuming that the standards of civilian law apply to him. It is enough evidence to convict him and have him hung ( or beheaded in Afghanistan) .

[Smallc]

It is enough evidence to convict him and have him hung ( or beheaded in Afghanistan) .

Then they should have done it already....but they haven't. Thank goodness the place is being closed so that this particular face of justice can end.

[M.Dancer]

Prolongued operiods of sleep depravation, beatings, short-shackling, repeated use of stress positions, refusal of medical treatment, forced labour designed specifically to make an injury worse, threats of torture, threats of rape.

At least, he didn't have to read your postings.

What a vivid imagination you have.

[Sir Bandelot]

There might be evidence, but if there was, why didn't they finish the job???

Because something is wrong, obviously. Theres no reason why the authorities would embarass themselves or arouse public suspicion if their motives were clean. I say they don't have a case, and neither does Canada if he comes back. And they know this, so they don't want him to come back. Hows that for justice

[M.Dancer]

There might be evidence, but if there was, why didn't they finish the job???

Because something is wrong, obviously. Theres no reason why the authorities would embarass themselves or arouse public suspicion if their motives were clean. I say they don't have a case, and neither does Canada if he comes back. And they know this, so they don't want him to come back. Hows that for justice

Something may be wrong but I doubt you have the answer to what it is. America's desire to root out alqaeda brought these miscreants to America, when they should have been given to the Afghans to whom the crimes (as mercenaries) were committed against.

So they try to pin a murder on him. He probably did it but the evidence is weak...they should have simply tried him as an enemy illega combattant of which there is no doubt. WHat would he get for that? Life? Lethal injection? Either or works as long as he is never allowed to work against us again.

Edited April 30, 2009 by M.Dancer

[Sir Bandelot]

Something may be wrong but I doubt you have the answer to what it is.

...they should have simply tried him as an enemy illega combattant of which there is no doubt. WHat would he get for that? Life? Lethal injection? Either or works as long as he is never allowed to work against us again.

Sure, as though you know better than top legal experts in the US or Canada. Hey Mr. Superiority complex, if they have a case, let them bring it forward. But they did not. They have no case. The rest is just your "beliefs", which are useless to anyone else.

[M.Dancer]

Sure, as though you know better than top legal experts in the US or Canada. Hey Mr. Superiority complex, if they have a case, let them bring it forward. But they did not. They have no case. The rest is just your "beliefs", which are useless to anyone else.

oh tender spirit...you seem to be forgetting there is still a trial ongoing....and that there are no canadian legal experts in said trial...perhaps if you have a nice soothing tissane and rest your weary heart you will feel better...

[capricorn]

Thank goodness the place is being closed so that this particular face of justice can end.

Obama has nine months left in his promise to close Gitmo. If the remaining 250 or so detainees cannot be sloughed off on other countries before then, I guess they'll be incarcerated somewhere in the US. I suppose you could say one face of justice will end. The thing is, another face of justice will begin, just in a different place.

[benny]

Sure, as though you know better than top legal experts in the US or Canada. Hey Mr. Superiority complex, if they have a case, let them bring it forward. But they did not. They have no case. The rest is just your "beliefs", which are useless to anyone else.

You will never see a forum closing after some legal decision because forum participants learn more about what stable social relationships require than any of your so called "legal experts".

[Radsickle]

oh tender spirit...you seem to be forgetting there is still a trial ongoing....and that there are no canadian legal experts in said trial...perhaps if you have a nice soothing tissane and rest your weary heart you will feel better...

Oh, sarcastic fool. You seem to have forgotten that Khadr's trial will continue in June... Yes, there is still a show trial, a military trial, off and ongoing, and that there are Canadian Lawyers involved in said trail... perhaps if you pay attention to the facts, you'd be less of a buffoon.

Edited April 30, 2009 by Radsickle