DogOnPorch Posted April 15, 2009 Report Posted April 15, 2009 This guy instigated the entire conflict. Blame him. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dub Posted April 15, 2009 Author Report Posted April 15, 2009 This guy instigated the entire conflict.Blame him. you mean this guy you're linking to came into the region and declared the land his land while pushing the natives out? i wonder if we would have had the same problem if herzl had chosen argentina instead of palestine as land to settle in and call it a jewish state. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 15, 2009 Report Posted April 15, 2009 you mean this guy you're linking to came into the region and declared the land his land while pushing the natives out?i wonder if we would have had the same problem if herzl had chosen argentina instead of palestine as land to settle in and call it a jewish state. The Grand Mufti was a Nazi who was one of the key figures in the Final Solution. His brand of poison was passed down to his murderous nephew, Arafat, and then to Hamas and Hezbollah. Jews have historic connections to the Levant that pre-date Islam. Islam arrived at the pointy end of a sword under Omar, violently overthrowing the Byzantine culture of the area. Omar then had the keen idea that Jerusalem...known holy site to the Jews...was the VERY place where Mohammed went to heaven with Gabriel to visit Allah (the furthest mosque). He then built a Muslim temple atop the old Jewish temple. How do you spell provocative? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted April 15, 2009 Report Posted April 15, 2009 (edited) Another interseting point is that the Mosque of Omar (al-Aqsa Mosque) was falling into ruin circa 1929 (nobody was taking care of it). The Grand Mufti had it rebuilt into the condition we see today. He apparently pissed off the Egyptians at the time as he pocketed the remainder of the donated money raised in said country. This dude was serious, though, and you didn't want to piss HIM off. King Abdullah I of Jordan tried to reign in his powers in by stripping him of the title 'Grand Mufti' circa 1950. He had the king assassinated. Edited April 16, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dub Posted April 15, 2009 Author Report Posted April 15, 2009 The Grand Mufti was a Nazi who was one of the key figures in the Final Solution. His brand of poison was passed down to his murderous nephew, Arafat, and then to Hamas and Hezbollah.Jews have historic connections to the Levant that pre-date Islam. Islam arrived at the pointy end of a sword under Omar, violently overthrowing the Byzantine culture of the area. Omar then had the keen idea that Jerusalem...known holy site to the Jews...was the VERY place where Mohammed went to heaven with Gabriel to visit Allah (the furthest mosque). He then built a Muslim temple atop the old Jewish temple. How do you spell provocative? all 3 religions have passed through there, including the christians. however, what is important is that less than 10% of the population of the region was jewish before the mass zionist migration. by the way, i saw a documentary on National Geographic on Cyrus The Great, King of Persia. i did some further research after that. i'm curious, do you ever thank the persian king, cyrus the great? he was so good to the jews, wasn't he? didn't he begin the rebuilding of the temple mount? didn't he free the jews from slavery? don't the jews refer to him as "Anointed of the Lord"? Quote
GostHacked Posted April 16, 2009 Report Posted April 16, 2009 (edited) dub, dude your ass is owned. Isreal did use WP in Gaza. FACT. It is all the legality of when, who, how, and what.. not giving two shits about the why. Essentially because of the classification of WP in any convention, makes the issue totaly debateable to no end in sight. We all know it should be banned, but at the same time, who freakin cares !! War is hell, so nightmares will happen. Pretty pessemistic indeed. However, I am ticked for the apologists who say any of this crap is acceptable. On either side. I am one of them for sure. I did not want to jump back in this thread, but I wanted to help dub out a bit. Dub, take a seat pal. I still say, nuke the whole block. Move on. M Dancer Agreed. All civilan losses are the responisbility of the instigator I'd put that soley on the people who allowed the creation of Israel to happen in the first place. I mean current Israel, or um .. modern Israel. GO !! Edited April 16, 2009 by GostHacked Quote
M.Dancer Posted April 16, 2009 Report Posted April 16, 2009 I'd put that soley on the people who allowed the creation of Israel to happen in the first place. I mean current Israel, or um .. modern Israel. GO !! Really? You know don't you those same people also created a state of palestine....but the arabs went double or nothing and rolled snake eyes...oh the catastrohe! Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
GostHacked Posted April 16, 2009 Report Posted April 16, 2009 Really? You know don't you those same people also created a state of palestine....but the arabs went double or nothing and rolled snake eyes...oh the catastrohe! Indeed it is those same people. However, the game is fixed, the dice were rigged. Someone got the shaft. I still don't know who though. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 16, 2009 Report Posted April 16, 2009 Indeed it is those same people. However, the game is fixed, the dice were rigged. Someone got the shaft. I still don't know who though. Again...blame the Grand Mufti. His rabid anti-Semitism prevented the creation of a Palestinian state in 1947. He called for war and got it...and lost horribly. We might have time-shares at a Gaza resort this very moment if not for his Jew hating nature nurtured by Hitler and Himmler, themselves. I'd put that soley on the people who allowed the creation of Israel to happen in the first place. I mean current Israel, or um .. modern Israel. Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Byelorussian SSR, Canada, Costa Rica, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, France, Guatemala, Haiti, Iceland, Liberia, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Sweden, South Africa, Ukrainian SSR, United States of America, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Uruguay and Venezuela. Former Axis nations weren't allowed a vote. Fact remains that The British Mandate of Palestine was British. They and the French defeated the Ottoman Turks in WW1 and that's the way it is. The Grand Mufti may have thought he had some sort of special claim to the area, but that isn't/wasn't how the World works...especially back then. Both groups had been 'promised' the area at different times (Balfour/Sykes-Picot) mainly due to the expediency of war. In my opinion, The Mufti nulified this 'agreement in spirit' by throwing his lot in with the Nazis. But, the British, eager to leave the area, weren't into hunting him down and taking him to Nuremburg for trial. So they literally cut and ran leaving the Jews more or less unarmed against the Mufti's forces. The War of 1948 ensued...and the Mufti lived in comfort until his death in 1974. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dub Posted April 16, 2009 Author Report Posted April 16, 2009 dub, dude your ass is owned. Isreal did use WP in Gaza. FACT. It is all the legality of when, who, how, and what.. not giving two shits about the why. Essentially because of the classification of WP in any convention, makes the issue totaly debateable to no end in sight. We all know it should be banned, but at the same time, who freakin cares !! War is hell, so nightmares will happen. Pretty pessemistic indeed. However, I am ticked for the apologists who say any of this crap is acceptable. On either side. I am one of them for sure. I did not want to jump back in this thread, but I wanted to help dub out a bit. Dub, take a seat pal. eh? i have never argued that WP was legal or illegal. even the title of this thread says: "israel's unlawful use of WP" after a thorough investigation by HRW, it has been determined that it was used illegally. go ahead and look through the 71 page report full of evidence. Quote
tango Posted April 16, 2009 Report Posted April 16, 2009 White phosphorus munitions did not kill the most civilians in Gaza – many more died from missiles, bombs, heavy artillery, tank shells, and small arms fire – but their use in densely populated neighborhoods, including downtown Gaza City, violated international humanitarian law (the laws of war), which requires taking all feasible precautions to avoid civilian harm and prohibits indiscriminate attacks. The unlawful use of white phosphorus was neither incidental nor accidental. It was repeated over time and in different locations, with the IDF “air-bursting” the munition in populated areas up to the last days of its military operation. Even if intended as an obscurant rather than as a weapon, the IDF’s repeated firing of air-burst white phosphorus shells from 155mm artillery into densely populated areas was indiscriminate and indicates the commission of war crimes. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
DogOnPorch Posted April 16, 2009 Report Posted April 16, 2009 White phosphorus munitions did not kill the most civilians in Gaza – many more died frommissiles, bombs, heavy artillery, tank shells, and small arms fire – but their use in densely populated neighborhoods, including downtown Gaza City... Back some pages... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
tango Posted April 16, 2009 Report Posted April 16, 2009 WP is legal ... just not where there are civilians. And the borders were closed so the civilians were trapped in Gaza. Seems Israel's reasoning was that they were 'still there' so they were all 'terrorists'. That's the line of reasoning that will come under questioning. There were too many civilians burned by white phosphorus. It was not used legally. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
M.Dancer Posted April 16, 2009 Report Posted April 16, 2009 WP is legal ... just not where there are civilians. Incorrect....please continue And the borders were closed so the civilians were trapped in Gaza.Seems Israel's reasoning was that they were 'still there' so they were all 'terrorists'. Israel doesn't control the Egyptian border....and ambulances were allowed to cross but were held up by Hamas. There were too many civilians burned by white phosphorus. Very few really....according to the notoriously dishonest Palestinians sources, only 10 were killed vs a few hundred by ordinary artillery It was not used legally. How would you know? You don't even understand the GC... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
DogOnPorch Posted April 16, 2009 Report Posted April 16, 2009 And the borders were closed so the civilians were trapped in Gaza. Two main ares of the Gaza Strip 'saw action' during this past skirmish. Rafah and Gaza City. Anywhere else in the Gaza Strip it was a sunny day with birds chirpping in the olive trees. But Hamas didn't evacuate the civilians to these areas like, say, WE would. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dub Posted April 16, 2009 Author Report Posted April 16, 2009 Two main ares of the Gaza Strip 'saw action' during this past skirmish. Rafah and Gaza City. Anywhere else in the Gaza Strip it was a sunny day with birds chirpping in the olive trees. But Hamas didn't evacuate the civilians to these areas like, say, WE would. how do you explain the bombing of the UN school where people were taking refuge from the bombing and where there were no militants around? oh and lol @ "anywhere else in the gaza strip it was a sunny day with birds chirping." you are ridiculous. Quote
M.Dancer Posted April 16, 2009 Report Posted April 16, 2009 how do you explain the bombing of the UN school where people were taking refuge from the bombing and where there were no militants around?oh and lol @ "anywhere else in the gaza strip it was a sunny day with birds chirping." you are ridiculous. You mean the school that wasn't bombed but had a strike beside it where militants had gathered...that is how I explain it. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
dub Posted April 16, 2009 Author Report Posted April 16, 2009 (edited) You mean the school that wasn't bombed but had a strike beside it where militants had gathered...that is how I explain it. IDF's claim that there were militants there turned out to be a lie. one of many lies. i wonder if israel is still investigating the situation after it said it will or if it swept it under the rug like other incidents. the bombing hit the school both inside and outside: Strike at Gaza school 'kills 40' The UN aid agency in Gaza, Unrwa, said three artillery shells had landed close to the al-Fakhura school on Tuesday afternoon, spraying shrapnel on people both inside and outside the building. don't you get tired of being wrong all the time? Edited April 16, 2009 by dub Quote
M.Dancer Posted April 16, 2009 Report Posted April 16, 2009 don't you get tired of being wrong all the time? If I need help being wrong, I will certainly ask you. The United Nations has reversed its stance on one of the most contentious and bloody incidents of the recent Israel Defense Forces operation in Gaza, saying that an IDF mortar strike that killed 43 people on January 6 did not hit one of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency schools after all. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1061189.html Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
DogOnPorch Posted April 16, 2009 Report Posted April 16, 2009 how do you explain the bombing of the UN school where people were taking refuge from the bombing and where there were no militants around? Seeing there's video evidence of Hamas actually shooting mortar rounds from the school, it would suggest that militants were indeed 'around'. oh and lol @ "anywhere else in the gaza strip it was a sunny day with birds chirping." you are ridiculous. Only two zones saw any significant combat: Rafah and Gaza City. You're free to provide action reports from elsewhere. At the very least, Hamas could have moved the civilians to the former Israeli kibbutzes in central Gaza Strip which saw nil action. But your buds seemed more keen on having some dead/wounded civilians for the press. Seems they f**ked that up, too, as there was no parade of dead children as per: Hezbollah's lame attempt at pulling the wool over the media's eyes a few years back. You might envision this tiny skirmish as another Stalingrad or whatever...but fact remains it amounts to an exchange of volley fire from two regiments at Antietam. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dub Posted April 16, 2009 Author Report Posted April 16, 2009 If I need help being wrong, I will certainly ask you.http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1061189.html i stand corrected. no one inside of the school were hit. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 16, 2009 Report Posted April 16, 2009 dub: i stand corrected.no one inside of the school were hit. dub: I am you are ridiculous. Fixed it fer yez, again. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dub Posted April 16, 2009 Author Report Posted April 16, 2009 Seeing there's video evidence of Hamas actually shooting mortar rounds from the school, it would suggest that militants were indeed 'around'. show me this video evidence. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 16, 2009 Report Posted April 16, 2009 It's available on Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dub Posted April 16, 2009 Author Report Posted April 16, 2009 Fixed it fer yez, again. dude. your zingers are so out of this world. your ridiculousness has nothing to do with the updated version of the story. Quote
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