Argus Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 yes yes, that's right, me likey Eugenic good... to simplify it further. And how do you define that? For example, there was a baby born recently with six fingers and toes on each hand. Would you have him terminated? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
lictor616 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 What do you mean by physically degenerate? I think you need to be a lot more precise in your descriptions and terms. well its pointless to delve into too much detail now and build "castles in the sky"... I mean in cases where a child is irredeemably deficient and risks being a government dependent. Babies with Downs for instance, or people with severe TCS, children with AIDS and the like, use your imagination. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) What do you mean by physically degenerate? I think you need to be a lot more precise in your descriptions and terms. double post* Edited March 22, 2009 by lictor616 Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
jdobbin Posted March 22, 2009 Author Report Posted March 22, 2009 the parents of the creature and the hospital arranging for the act. You think parents of a child with fetal alcohol would make such a decision? Quote
guyser Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 You think parents of a child with fetal alcohol would make such a decision? Oh please, Quote
lictor616 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 You think parents of a child with fetal alcohol would make such a decision? well if they're informed of the gravity of the illness ... that would doubtlessly precipitate a positive decision... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
jdobbin Posted March 23, 2009 Author Report Posted March 23, 2009 well if they're informed of the gravity of the illness ... that would doubtlessly precipitate a positive decision... I don't know about that. A positive decision might have been not to drink during pregnancy. I don't know you can count on such a decision being made. Quote
charter.rights Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 well its pointless to delve into too much detail now and build "castles in the sky"... I mean in cases where a child is irredeemably deficient and risks being a government dependent. Babies with Downs for instance, or people with severe TCS, children with AIDS and the like, use your imagination. What you are doing here amounts to the promotion of hate against an identifiable group. Maybe a call to the RCMP might be in order just to determine if it should be allow ed to carry on. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
lictor616 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 What you are doing here amounts to the promotion of hate against an identifiable group. Maybe a call to the RCMP might be in order just to determine if it should be allow ed to carry on. if you think it necessary to use pseudo-legal terrorism because you can't refute an argument and can't tolerate diverging opinions, then that I suppose is your right as a red guard of the NWO... It is in such a society that the crypto-communist liberals are now consolidating their conquest by the Soviet-style persecution of Canadians too intelligent to accept the maudlin nonsense about "equality" and "one world" and too self-respecting to kowtow to the nation-destroyers. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
charter.rights Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 if you think it necessary to use pseudo-legal terrorism because you can't refute an argument and can't tolerate diverging opinions, then that I suppose is your right as a red guard of the NWO... It is in such a society that the crypto-communist liberals are now consolidating their conquest by the Soviet-style persecution of Canadians too intelligent to accept the maudlin nonsense about "equality" and "one world" and too self-respecting to kowtow to the nation-destroyers. Oh I could refute it alright but promoting hate is not something that should be discussed but rather prosecuted. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
lictor616 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 Oh I could refute it alright but promoting hate is not something that should be discussed but rather prosecuted. well your promoting hate against people who are pro eugenics... and its not all that clear how hate can be a criminal offense... what's next jealousy? the concept that someone should be prosecuted ... because of words that are said by him... well that's just crazy isn't it. "promoting hate" .... nonsense on stilts! Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
charter.rights Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 well your promoting hate against people who are pro eugenics... and its not all that clear how hate can be a criminal offense... what's next jealousy? the concept that someone should be prosecuted ... because of words that are said by him... well that's just crazy isn't it. "promoting hate" .... nonsense on stilts! Everyone is entitled to an opinion.However, when the point is to gain support for hatred against an identifiable group....especially using propaganda, misinformation and out right lying - then it becomes a criminal offense. Neither are you discussing eugenics per se, since that was an afterthought in your original statement, but you are promoting the murder of an identifiable group based on some belief you have a right to do so. In Canada it is against the law to promote the hatred against a group where the outcome is likely to occur in harm to members of that group. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
lictor616 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 Everyone is entitled to an opinion.However, when the point is to gain support for hatred against an identifiable group....especially using propaganda, misinformation and out right lying - then it becomes a criminal offense. Neither are you discussing eugenics per se, since that was an afterthought in your original statement, but you are promoting the murder of an identifiable group based on some belief you have a right to do so.In Canada it is against the law to promote the hatred against a group where the outcome is likely to occur in harm to members of that group. hatred how? Please show me through A and B how wanting to minimize the incidence of say people with DOWNS is somehow a manifestation of hatred. And i'm sorry but even then, our legal system is based on damage... and its simply not possible to show how one creates damage or tort with WORDS. Hatred is not palpable.. I can tell when someone's been a victim of arson, I can tell when someone has a bloody nose... but aI can't tell what DAMAGE is done by mere usage of words ... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 Everyone is entitled to an opinion.However, when the point is to gain support for hatred against an identifiable group....especially using propaganda, misinformation and out right lying - then it becomes a criminal offense. Neither are you discussing eugenics per se, since that was an afterthought in your original statement, but you are promoting the murder of an identifiable group based on some belief you have a right to do so.In Canada it is against the law to promote the hatred against a group where the outcome is likely to occur in harm to members of that group. what propaganda or "lies" have I used in my arguments for eugenics... pray tell Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 ....I can tell when someone's been a victim of arson, I can tell when someone has a bloody nose... but aI can't tell what DAMAGE is done by mere usage of words ... That's why it is called "Hate Speech"......you are in violation of the law. 'Course, that kind of thing wouldn't fly with ignorant American boobs and their mongrel country. LOL! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
charter.rights Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 IN the case of fetal alcohol syndrome, I think a case for Euthanasia at birth could be made. You already started by promoting murder and hatred against FAS children. As I mentioned in an earlier post you could just as easily been born with many of the symptoms identified in your short list. FAS, FAE often does not present itself until children reach the age of 5-10 years old. The physical identifiers also do not always mean the child will present FAE, ever. The case in point is that the purpose of euthanasia, where it is accepted in society or by the medical community, is to relieve the suffering experienced by the patient in prolonged or terminal cases. In your case you are trying to suggest that murder is OK because of the financial burden that FAS, FAE children might represent to society. The fact is that many FAS, FAE children grow up to live productive lives and are not a burden at all. You are not promoting relieving pain and suffering by promoting racial purity...which is against the law....and sick in a civil society. Mr. Canada had more reasonable arguments. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
Oleg Bach Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 That's why it is called "Hate Speech"......you are in violation of the law.'Course, that kind of thing wouldn't fly with ignorant American boobs and their mongrel country. LOL! Hey Feds are fancey up scaled drunks...and only the lowly trash drink while with child...and those tiny little heads and beady eyes - why they would make great soldiers to fight and help the uppity ups exploit other nations...Just give the pea brains a shot of Methedrine and a hot dog sandwhich - and they are good to go...Let the poor drink and create more little monkies... Quote
lictor616 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 Hey Feds are fancey up scaled drunks...and only the lowly trash drink while with child...and those tiny little heads and beady eyes - why they would make great soldiers to fight and help the uppity ups exploit other nations...Just give the pea brains a shot of Methedrine and a hot dog sandwhich - and they are good to go...Let the poor drink and create more little monkies... pffffffffffff ahahahaahahahahaah!!!!!! rofl! !!!!!!! the last sentence made me spit up coffee all over my keyboard! Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 You already started by promoting murder and hatred against FAS children. As I mentioned in an earlier post you could just as easily been born with many of the symptoms identified in your short list. FAS, FAE often does not present itself until children reach the age of 5-10 years old. The physical identifiers also do not always mean the child will present FAE, ever. The case in point is that the purpose of euthanasia, where it is accepted in society or by the medical community, is to relieve the suffering experienced by the patient in prolonged or terminal cases. In your case you are trying to suggest that murder is OK because of the financial burden that FAS, FAE children might represent to society. The fact is that many FAS, FAE children grow up to live productive lives and are not a burden at all. You are not promoting relieving pain and suffering by promoting racial purity...which is against the law....and sick in a civil society. Mr. Canada had more reasonable arguments. again you haven't shown me HOW as necessarily vague a concept as "hate" can be made a punishable offense... akin to raping say or what have you. and again I stressed taht not ALL FAS or TCS children should be euthanize, only the more severe and hopeless cases. Also, a person with severe TCS is sure to live a painful and atrociously isolated life... and hence, i'm not sure how that is different from "to relieve the suffering experienced by the patient in prolonged or terminal cases" anywho, its clear that your thinking is glandular rather then cerebral... and that you prefer to emote then think... in such an arrangement, I don't think that I can communicate with you. Especially when you seem preoccupied with using despicable taddle tale tactics and threaten ME - because of words that are typewritten here... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 (edited) The fact is that many FAS, FAE children grow up to live productive lives and are not a burden at all. You are not promoting relieving pain and suffering by promoting racial purity...which is against the law....and sick in a civil society.Mr. Canada had more reasonable arguments. and are you promoting the "relief of pain" (whatever that is) by allowing our country to fill up with the dregs and biological detritus of society? Will the country fare better and be more pleasant- if we allow it to become riddled with unfortunate creatures with DOWNS, TCS and other monstrous handicaps? and are you so impudent to claim that getting rid of the hopelessly handicapped and miserable and trying to aim for a healthier, more competent society is "against the law"? Do you really have that demeanor? and you call MOI sick? Edited March 23, 2009 by lictor616 Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
charter.rights Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 and are you promoting the "relief of pain" (whatever that is) by allowing our country to fill up with the dregs and biological detritus of society?Will the country fare better and be more pleasant- if we allow it to become riddled with unfortunate creatures with DOWNS, TCS and other monstrous handicaps? and are you so impudent to claim that getting rid of the hopelessly handicapped and miserable and trying to aim for a healthier, more competent society is "against the law"? Do you really have that demeanor? and you call MOI sick? Yes I call YOU sick! And you are a criminal. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
Argus Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 What you are doing here amounts to the promotion of hate against an identifiable group. Maybe a call to the RCMP might be in order just to determine if it should be allow ed to carry on. What identifiable group would that be, Guy-who-calls-himself-Charter.rights-but-has-never-bothered-to-read-the-charter? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 You already started by promoting murder and hatred against FAS children. Phhhtt. Promoting eugenics is not a crime, and FAS children are not an identifiable group. Just like you've never bothered to read the Charter you've clearly never bothered to read the criminal code. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
charter.rights Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 What identifiable group would that be, Guy-who-calls-himself-Charter.rights-but-has-never-bothered-to-read-the-charter? I live, eat and breath the Charter my friend and unlike you, do not substitute my feelings for the law of the country. FAS children ARE an identifiable group and promoting murder IS a crime under the Criminal Code of Canada. The discussion of eugenics crosses the line when it no longer talks about trying to find solutions to genetic problems and instead promotes the use of genocide to achieve an end of racial purity. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
Argus Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 I live, eat and breath the Charter my friend and unlike you, do not substitute my feelings for the law of the country It has become patently obvious over your time here that you are very nearly completely unfamiliar with the contents of the Charter. . FAS children ARE an identifiable group Nope, not under the hate speech provisions of the criminal code. Look em up. and promoting murder IS a crime under the Criminal Code of Canada. The discussion of eugenics crosses the line when it no longer talks about trying to find solutions to genetic problems and instead promotes the use of genocide to achieve an end of racial purity. Genocide can only be commited against a distinct racial or ethnic group, which FAS children most certainly are not. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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