guyser Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 That's drivel. Reading a few local newspapers on-line does NOT give you a feel for "local" issues, values and culture. Well, if he was reading the Forest Hill Times or the Etobicoke Guardian online for all the news you might have a point. One can be up on the news through the NatlPost, Star, G&M. no matter where they live. He could have a dish that brings him the CTV, CBC, Glo-CW , and even Tiny Talent Time....of course in re-runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Obviously that was then and this is now, because those expensive lunches and dinners were the heart of Harper's last election campaign. Don't let the facts get in your way, PT. Just rely on a bitter diatribe from ultra-Liberal media commentators. Right? "The odd bout of light-headedness aside - it's not the first time a human prop has been overcome during the campaign - this is what some reporters have come to call Stephen Harper's bubble. Nothing unexpected, no one uninvited, everything in its right place.... It's funny what short-term memories Liberals have. They seem to forget that Chretien would only allow interviews from specific, trusted media personalities during elections, and that Trudeau once ran an entire campaign as the hidden man, not giving ANY interviews, having no real platform of any kind. I believe that was the one where he took power back from Joe Who. And the Elections Canada hating Tories thing is another farce. Harper has sued them many times because he didn't think Really? can you please list how many times and over what issues these mysterious law suits were generated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Well, if he was reading the Forest Hill Times or the Etobicoke Guardian online for all the news you might have a point.One can be up on the news through the NatlPost, Star, G&M. no matter where they live. He could have a dish that brings him the CTV, CBC, Glo-CW , and even Tiny Talent Time....of course in re-runs. He could have, but he didn't. He spent NO time bothering about such things. He was far too busy in his job, writing, and attending gatherings of admirers. Does he even know how to use the internet? Has he ever even heard of the internet? Not that I've heard. In any event, you're wrong. You do not get an accurate local feel by reading an on-line newspaper. I read the BBC and Telegraph almost every day on-line and I don't flatter myself into thinking I have a feel for what people in the UK want and need and are angry or upset or impatient with vis a vis political issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 And what, the Conservatives are the party of the Proletariat? Well, for the longest time they were the party of those who were NOT satisfied with how things were being run. That generally does not include the happy bourgeois. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 He could have, but he didn't. Oh. Didnt know that you knew his movements , thoughts and actions so intimately. He spent NO time bothering about such things. He was far too busy in his job, writing, and attending gatherings of admirers. Does he even know how to use the internet? Has he ever even heard of the internet? Not that I've heard. Wait a sec...heard? I thought you knew him? In any event, you're wrong. You do not get an accurate local feel by reading an on-line newspaper. I read the BBC and Telegraph almost every day on-line and I don't flatter myself into thinking I have a feel for what people in the UK want and need and are angry or upset or impatient with vis a vis political issues. LOL! When did you live in the UK? Perhaps you didnt, thus you have no sound basis for understanding, and therefore you have no feel for it. I dont live up north, but I know all the actions and political happenings of the area. Since I know the people I can say, with authority, that I know the scene. It really is easy to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 But he hasn't spent that time in a Turkish prison. He worked mostly as a journalist in wartorn countries, writing books, making documentaries and teaching at Ivy League Universities. If a Canadian hockey player is drafted by an American team he is still Canadian. Ignatieff never applied for citizenship to another country and always travelled on a Canadian passport.He is Canadian. Obviously Ignatieff is a Canadian, his birth certificate says so. But when you are out of the country for so long it raises questions on how much does he actually know about issues facing Canadians. There's a difference between reading about it in a book or newspaper and actually living it. How many times has he waited 8 hours in an ER emergency room? Dont' "poo-poo" this, its a legit concern. I mean, its nice to have the leader of your country actually live there for pete's sake. I do however find him to be a very intelligent, level-headed, and well-spoken leader, which has him leaps and bounds beyond the other party leaders IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Oh. Didnt know that you knew his movements , thoughts and actions so intimately. Wait a sec...heard? I thought you knew him? LOL! When did you live in the UK? Perhaps you didnt, thus you have no sound basis for understanding, and therefore you have no feel for it. I dont live up north, but I know all the actions and political happenings of the area. Since I know the people I can say, with authority, that I know the scene. It really is easy to do. Without being in the area you have no idea of the feeling on the ground, no matter how many news articals that you read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Without being in the area you have no idea of the feeling on the ground, no matter how many news articals that you read. Kind of true. But I posted this..."Since I know the people I can say, with authority, that I know the scene. " So I do know the feeling on the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Blue Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 (edited) I'll be honest, I'm not scared by Ignatieff. I don't think he'll do that much damage to the country [because every Prime Minister seems to do some damage] however I don't think he'll be the deity that the Liberal supporters are making him out to be. By the way reading a newspaper won't give you a good idea of local issues. Just because I read the BBC, it doesn't mean I know what it's like to pay egregious taxes, live in a nanny/police state, and duck when another Islamic extremist blows up a bus while the Labour Party is making excuses for said extremists and banning politicians who criticize said extremists. That being said it's a shame Ignatieff is wasting his talents running for Prime Minister of Canada. Everyone knows that the PMO destroys what would otherwise be decent and principled individuals. Edited March 9, 2009 by Canadian Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progressive Tory Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 That's drivel. Reading a few local newspapers on-line does NOT give you a feel for "local" issues, values and culture. Living anywhere in Canada does not give you a feel for all local issues, values and culture. In Ontario I can read Newfoundland and Calgary newspapers, and I do, but don't have a feel for their "local" issues, values and culture. Canada is a big place and very diverse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progressive Tory Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 He could have, but he didn't. He spent NO time bothering about such things. He was far too busy in his job, writing, and attending gatherings of admirers. Does he even know how to use the internet? Has he ever even heard of the internet? Not that I've heard. When you're covering news in a wartorn country, googling is not a priority. His broadcasts were seen around the world though, even Canada, and often covered in Canadian newspapers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I could never vote liberal. Just really don't know what they are about. Just not sure what policies they implimented or did not bring about - Just could not vote conservative at this time either...against warfare unless it is defensive - and we do have a department of defense on offense. Ofter I wonder - are their liberals that support the Afghanistan mission? I know that most conservatives do - what can I say...I can not tell the good guys from the bad guys so - I will not cast a ballot untill I see who is who - that could take forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progressive Tory Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Without being in the area you have no idea of the feeling on the ground, no matter how many news articals that you read. Yep. And all Canadians have their feet on the ground of all areas in Canada. I read about Alberta, never been there, but we're all Canadians. Also read about the NW Territories, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and hot dang if I've never been in those places either. How could I possibly be Canadian if I don't visit every city and province on a regular basis to get an idea of the feeling on their ground. I can assure you that there are many different cultures and 'feelings' in this country. I can know of them without being there, but so long as I keep my Canadian citizenship and my world travelS (I wish) are on a Canadian passport, I AM CANADIAN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progressive Tory Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Obviously Ignatieff is a Canadian, his birth certificate says so. But when you are out of the country for so long it raises questions on how much does he actually know about issues facing Canadians. There's a difference between reading about it in a book or newspaper and actually living it. How many times has he waited 8 hours in an ER emergency room? Oh but the difference is, he's the one who's written the books. He never settled for just reading them. Thankfully there are people who have the kahunas to visit these conflicts and wars and report back to the rest of the world, on what is going on and how it could affect our own security. He not only spent time with political leaders but visited the camps of the warlords, spoke with soldiers and patriots, and spent time with peasants. Everyone affected. He also travelled with the U.N. in some these places, and his advice was often sought on how to proceed. People like to think he's just a university professor, but that career came about as a result of his life experiences and education. It was not his first choice. He probably knows more about Canada than most of us (his doctorate is in history), but more importantly, know's Canada's place in the world better than most of us. In fact, his next book due out in April, is on this country. I already have my name on the waiting list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progressive Tory Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I'll be honest, I'm not scared by Ignatieff. That's good. He's actually quite a nice guy and he doesn't even eat babies. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Yep. And all Canadians have their feet on the ground of all areas in Canada. I read about Alberta, never been there, but we're all Canadians.Also read about the NW Territories, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and hot dang if I've never been in those places either. How could I possibly be Canadian if I don't visit every city and province on a regular basis to get an idea of the feeling on their ground. And yet you ignore what the people from these places are telling you becasue you seem to think the MSM captures the general feeling in the area. Siting back on the computer typing and reading news articals gives you no insight into what the people are thinking in these places. I can tell you first hand that what you read in the papers is not what the people are thinking it is what the journalist is thinking and feeling. I travel western Canada on a very regular basis, and talk with people from all walks of life, and what is printed in the winnipeg free press is not accurate of the city, as with our local paper her were I live, it has very liberal bent due to the editor and staff, and I live in one of the most conervative ridings in the country. I can assure you that there are many different cultures and 'feelings' in this country. I can know of them without being there, but so long as I keep my Canadian citizenship and my world travelS (I wish) are on a Canadian passport, I AM CANADIAN! you are right you can know of them, but you have no idea how the people relate to it, what they think of it or how it efects their lives. you have no first hand knowelege or ability to relate. If you want to understand the feeling in any area of this country or world it isn't good enough just read about, you need to and experience it and the people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progressive Tory Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I could never vote liberal. Just really don't know what they are about. Just not sure what policies they implimented or did not bring about - Just could not vote conservative at this time either...against warfare unless it is defensive - and we do have a department of defense on offense. Ofter I wonder - are their liberals that support the Afghanistan mission? I know that most conservatives do - what can I say...I can not tell the good guys from the bad guys so - I will not cast a ballot untill I see who is who - that could take forever. The only parties really opposed to the War in Afghanistan are the Bloc and NDP. As kind of modern Socialists, the NDP belong to the religous left who are pacifists in war, like the founder, Jesus of Nazareth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Yep. And all Canadians have their feet on the ground of all areas in Canada. I read about Alberta, never been there, but we're all Canadians.Also read about the NW Territories, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and hot dang if I've never been in those places either. How could I possibly be Canadian if I don't visit every city and province on a regular basis to get an idea of the feeling on their ground. I can assure you that there are many different cultures and 'feelings' in this country. I can know of them without being there, but so long as I keep my Canadian citizenship and my world travelS (I wish) are on a Canadian passport, I AM CANADIAN! Canadian passport hugh? I don't have one of those - never had the need to leave and or come back when it was convenient. I have been to Alberta - every Canadian has traveled from coast to coast at least a few times during his life time. I know what the nation looks like - I have met the people - I know the feeling on the ground that is amongst the people OF the ground - It is your duty to set a physcial foot in Alberta - it should be your desire to KNOW the nation you seem to have landed in out of the blue...you are NOT Canadian unless you touch Canada - so far you are an untouchable - maybe the subcontinent has an Alberta - go there and tell them you are CANADAIN - You are a multi cultural - and un-assimulated - YOU are not Canadian...yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progressive Tory Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Canadian passport hugh? I don't have one of those - never had the need to leave and or come back when it was convenient. I have been to Alberta - every Canadian has traveled from coast to coast at least a few times during his life time. I know what the nation looks like - I have met the people - I know the feeling on the ground that is amongst the people OF the ground - It is your duty to set a physcial foot in Alberta - it should be your desire to KNOW the nation you seem to have landed in out of the blue...you are NOT Canadian unless you touch Canada - so far you are an untouchable - maybe the subcontinent has an Alberta - go there and tell them you are CANADAIN - You are a multi cultural - and un-assimulated - YOU are not Canadian...yet. When you travel around the globe as a journalist covering conflict, you need a passport, in case you get shot and they know where to send your body. Michael Ignatieff has been in every province in Canada, and has family in many of them. I have only been in Ontario, Quebec, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, PEI and Newfoundland. We haven't been able to travel as much in recent years because we're raising a grandson, but we plan a trip West when my husband retires. I've heard it's beautiful and he really wants to visit Banff. My husband has been in a few more provinces (maybe all) because he used to be a scuba diver with the Navy. However, since I haven't been in all provinces I guess I'm not yet a Canadian, but if that's youree definition, Michael Ignatieff definitely is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 When you travel around the globe as a journalist covering conflict, you need a passport, in case you get shot and they know where to send your body.Michael Ignatieff has been in every province in Canada, and has family in many of them. I have only been in Ontario, Quebec, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, PEI and Newfoundland. We haven't been able to travel as much in recent years because we're raising a grandson, but we plan a trip West when my husband retires. I've heard it's beautiful and he really wants to visit Banff. My husband has been in a few more provinces (maybe all) because he used to be a scuba diver with the Navy. However, since I haven't been in all provinces I guess I'm not yet a Canadian, but if that's youree definition, Michael Ignatieff definitely is. I was less than a year old when I entered this nation at Quebec city by boat...as a young man I must admit that I hitch hiked from Toronto to the west coast about 5 times and traveled by frieght train ( that was an adventure) once...some times I would go south to the Mexican boarder and dash around Texas and Arizona - but we are opposites - I lied - I really have never been to the east coast othe than passing as an infant on a ship...so perhaps you can travel by land to the west and I will go east - no flying - that's not traveling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I was less than a year old when I entered this nation at Quebec city by boat...as a young man I must admit that I hitch hiked from Toronto to the west coast about 5 times and traveled by frieght train ( that was an adventure) once...some times I would go south to the Mexican boarder and dash around Texas and Arizona - but we are opposites - I lied - I really have never been to the east coast othe than passing as an infant on a ship...so perhaps you can travel by land to the west and I will go east - no flying - that's not traveling. The expanse of land is amazing when you travel over land - the wheat lands stretch for eternity..the mountains as they appear in the distance and grow larger till you are in heaven - It is a grand nation..have I mentioned the rushing waters yet...To know the nation, travel it slow and on the surface - then you will say - this is my home - It is vast and beautiful - the best nation in the world...and the cleanest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 That's good. He's actually quite a nice guy and he doesn't even eat babies. LOL.Harper does, apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Blue Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 (edited) The only parties really opposed to the War in Afghanistan are the Bloc and NDP. As kind of modern Socialists, the NDP belong to the religous left who are pacifists in war, like the founder, Jesus of Nazareth. Yeah, but Jesus was also pro-life which means that he would be automatically expelled from the NDP. As I've said before, if Jesus was a politician he'd likely be Dorothy Day. Anti-statist, pacifist, and a distributist. Edited March 9, 2009 by Canadian Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Yeah, but Jesus was also pro-life which means that hw would be automatically expelled from the NDP. As I've said before, if Jesus was a politician he'd likely be Dorothy Day. Anti-statist, pacifist, and a distributist. Don't forget about the time he beat the money lenders to an inch of their lives - real pacifist. Don't forget that he was also the rightful heir to the throne of Judea.. more that a distributist but a disturbist also to the Roman occupiers along with the traitors that wanted him dead because he was the rightful owner of the land..being king and all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progressive Tory Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Yeah, but Jesus was also pro-life which means that he would be automatically expelled from the NDP. As I've said before, if Jesus was a politician he'd likely be Dorothy Day. Anti-statist, pacifist, and a distributist. Don't really remember reading about abortion in the Bible so we have no idea whether or not he would like women to go to butchers or risk their lives ending an unwanted pregnancy, instead of allowing doctors to use their God given talents to provide a safe and healthy alternative. If this has a religous base at all, then anti-abortionists need to rethink their strategy. Make it easier for young girls to talk to their families about pregnancy. However, the stand is always that she should not have had sex, so often fear makes her turn to abortion rather than face the wrath or disappointment of her parents. As far as other abortions go, and I don't promote abortion on demand, if a woman is determined to do this, she will do it. Her body, her choice. Inspire, council, but don't dictate or judge. I think if these pro-lifers would take some of their passion and protest brutal wars that kill thousands of children, it might be a different world, and just maybe more people would listen to them. Muslim children have a right to life too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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