Argus Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 You make your nickle off the taxpayer. You hang out with the CPC to protect your public nestegg.Hazel McCallion is a lefty? Don't know the woman. Don't care. The vast majority of councils are lefty dominated. The NDP is actually the only party which operates at the municipal level. Its MY money that pays you. That would imply you pay taxes, something I have considerable doubts about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 So you don't want tough anti-gang legislation?Polls say that Canadians want this. I'm saying it won't work. You can get as tough as you like on these guys, and all you do is remove a fraction of them from the streets, leaving someone else to fill their shoes. As long as there's money to be made in drugs, extortion, prostitution, black marketeering, illegal weapons and so forth, all such legislation ever does is make more openings at the bottom end. I have no doubt that Canadians want this, but they should be under no illusion that it will do very much to end the violence. What will end the current bout of violence is when the turf war ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 So you don't want tough anti-gang legislation?Polls say that Canadians want this. I only found polls for Vancouver and gang violence, but I think all Canadians want the issue addressed. However, longer prison terms are not the answer. The nature of the business safeguards against getting caught, and even when one is put away, there are a dozen more to take their place. It needs to be addressed from the bottom up. A recent Star Poll: Which of the following do you believe is the most effective way to reduce crime? Longer jail terms 230 13% More mandatory sentences 193 11% More police 77 4% Early intervention programs 515 29% Reducing poverty 583 33% Rehabilitation 135 7% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 (edited) Where do you get your information? Liberal philosophy to go easy on criminals? Crime Statistics in Canada "There were 2,452,787 crimes reported in 2006; 48% were property related crimes and 12.6% were violent crimes. At a rate of 7,518 reported incidents per 100,000 people, the crime rate in 2006, the latest year for which there is statistics, was the lowest crime rate in twenty-five years. [1] The crime rate has been in general decline since 1991." Harper came into power in 2006 so did not factor in but the Liberals were in power for most of that time. (1993 to 2006) The total crime rate has been diminishing simply because crime is generally a product associated with young men, and the proportion of society which is composed of young men has been shrinking for, well, twenty years. However, it's violent crime which really bothers people, and violent crime is far higher than it was prior to the nineties - particularly among youth. And you know, it isn't even necessarily the crime rate as the perception - often vindicated - that violent crime is not being sternly punished. Edited March 2, 2009 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 The total crime rate has been diminishing simply because crime is generally a product associated with young men, and the proportion of society which is composed of young men has been shrinking for, well, twenty years. So maybe the solution isn't longer sentences. We'll just get rid of all the young men. Problem solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 A recent Star Poll:Which of the following do you believe is the most effective way to reduce crime? Early intervention programs 515 29% I would liike to see the stat on how many canadian surveyed know what an early intervention program is and how it is run. Its one of those "liberal" sounding options of feel good policy which seldom works to the desired reslut and become a huge gaping money pit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I would liike to see the stat on how many canadian surveyed know what an early intervention program is and how it is run. Its one of those "liberal" sounding options of feel good policy which seldom works to the desired reslut and become a huge gaping money pit. And more people rotting in prisons isn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I would liike to see the stat on how many canadian surveyed know what an early intervention program is and how it is run. Its one of those "liberal" sounding options of feel good policy which seldom works to the desired reslut and become a huge gaping money pit. And building private prisons that will probably do nothing to help the problem, is the answer? We need a new strategy and tougher sentences is an old strategy, that didn't work and only created a huge gaping money pit. By the way, I have a question for you from your signature. "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Stephen Harper and his 2004 coup against the people of Canada and 2008 attack on national unity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyStone Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 to rebound and get energized. Do a workout, eat a hearty meal and drink some coffee, roll up your sleeves.We all know the Zombie like trance Cons get into when defending their ultra-rightwing dogma, so all NON-Cons will have to fight harder than ever, or Canada will be full Conservativized, with a HUGE Con majority, yearning for those fabulous Bush years, and looking to DELIVER those Bush years (including their Republican-style war on drugs) to all of Canada, Coast To Coast. It seems alarmist on the surface, but beneath the surface of Harper's pasted smile and robotic glare is the Neo-Con of the North, and all of his rhetoric conceals the true agenda which would be unleashed if they actually got a clear majority. NDP'ers should get moving and vote for THEIR party of choice, the benevolent NDP. Support them financially. All Liberals should vote Liberal. Support them financially. All Greens should pick either the NDP or the Liberals to vote for, as zero Green seats is the inevitable outcome without proportional representation. Demand an election, and vote to defeat Harper. Support a 3-party coalition... whichever is most practical is what will be done. When the NDP and the Liberals start supporting electoral reform, instead of blocking it, so that they can demand votes from Green Supporters that they feel they are entitled to, perhaps then I'll think about voting Liberal. Until then, the Liberals are trying to benefit from a flaw in our democratic system, which they are helping to perpetuate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 And more people rotting in prisons isn't? Oh, but look on the bright side. We get to feed them and their families for the rest of their natural lives. Won't make gangs go away though, unless they're hungry or would like a free university education. My conservative perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 When the NDP and the Liberals start supporting electoral reform, I'm with you on electoral reform. Our system is broken. Still voting Liberal, at least until we rid the country of the (not so much) Conservative (it's all about our jobs stupid) Party. Right now I'm constantly pushing for it, but putting my country first. Getting rid of this gang of misfits is my top priority. Then I'm going to call Iggy and say 'we need to talk'. Glad Elizabeth May got a ringing endorsement from her party. She's a great person. Definitely on my top ten list. The Greens did so well last time, the only party with a signicant increase, and no seats. That's criminal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Glad Elizabeth May got a ringing endorsement from her party. She's a great person. Definitely on my top ten list. The Greens did so well last time, the only party with a signicant increase, and no seats. That's criminal. WTF are you talking about? She was so delusional that she actually ran against Peter Mackay. Whether she's a great person or not is irrelevant. She's got the political savvy of a petrified turtle turd. It goes to show you how naive and politically immature the Greens are that they didn't kick her a$$ out the door right after the election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gc1765 Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I can't help but wonder if KingIggy is actually a conservative trying to make liberals look bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I can't help but wonder if KingIggy is actually a conservative trying to make liberals look bad. If he is, he's not doing a very good at it, because he's sure making the Liberals look good. But then so is Harper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 And building private prisons that will probably do nothing to help the problem, is the answer? We need a new strategy and tougher sentences is an old strategy, that didn't work and only created a huge gaping money pit. By the way, I have a question for you from your signature. "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Stephen Harper and his 2004 coup against the people of Canada and 2008 attack on national unity? That sentanc is a direct quote of Jack Layton, you reallys hould read the transcript of the NDP confrence call regarding the coalition, wait that might mean you couldn't live in ignorance about it any longer though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gc1765 Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 If he is, he's not doing a very good at it, because he's sure making the Liberals look good. But then so is Harper. I'm not sure how calling conservative supporters "facist neo-cons" is helping the Liberals, or small-l liberals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I'm not sure how calling conservative supporters "facist neo-cons" is helping the Liberals, or small-l liberals. Who called the Conservatives Fascist Neo-cons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Who called the Conservatives Fascist Neo-cons? Some n00b goof.... ALL Harper voters are Fascist Neo-Cons. If you disagree, then you a blind, repressive rightwing maniac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Some n00b goof.... I thought you meant Ignatieff, but believe me the Liberals have been called worse here. In fact everyone has. I'm a centre, former PC, but have called a 'Godless Socialist', 'Left-wing nutjob' and have even been accused of waving a stick at Jesus. I think I'd remember that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Don't know the woman. Don't care. The vast majority of councils are lefty dominated. The NDP is actually the only party which operates at the municipal level. That's interesting, because in my riding, the Councillors and Mayor are all Open Conservatives and Liberals. There isn't a single NDP or Green or person who declares themselves independant of parties. Infact, my guess is most municipaliteis are Liberal and Conservative. I think you are making it up, when you say "the vast majority of councils are lefty dominated". Can you back this up? The fact that you don't know or don't care about Hurricane Hazel shows how disconnected you are from Municipal Politics and politicians. She carries more weight and respect then many Mayors across Canada and is MAYOR of th e 6th Largest City in Canada. Argus SAID "Don't know the woman. Don't care." Hazel McCallion, CM (born February 14, 1921) is the mayor of Mississauga, Ontario, Canada, the sixth largest city in the country. McCallion has been Mississauga's mayor for 31 years, holding office since 1978. She is affectionately called "Hurricane Hazel"[1] by supporters as well as the media at large for her vibrant outspoken style of no-nonsense politics. Argus SAID "Don't know the woman. Don't care." She is one of Canada's best known and longest-serving mayors . At the age of 85, she was easily re-elected in November 2006 for her 11th consecutive term, holding a 91% majority of the votes, and has often been reelected without even needing to conduct an actual campaign. Argus SAID "Don't know the woman. Don't care." Mayor McCallion has worked with a variety of federal and provincial governments, and has not expressed a consistent party preference, preferring to work with each elected official.Her principles are grounded in the belief that a city should be run like a business; thus, she encourages the business model of governance. Her family's business background, her education and prior career in a corporation prepared her to approach government with a business model. Mississauga is one of the few cities in Canada that is debt-free; it has not had to borrow money since 1978.[8] She has been described as a "small-c" conservative. Well now you know a little about her. So you can say you "don't care" instead of "don't know don't care" That would imply you pay taxes, something I have considerable doubts about. One day Argus, you will be proven correct. I will die and I will stop paying taxes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 That's interesting, because in my riding, the Councillors and Mayor are all Open Conservatives and Liberals. There isn't a single NDP or Green or person who declares themselves independant of parties. Infact, my guess is most municipaliteis are Liberal and Conservative. I think you are making it up, when you say "the vast majority of councils are lefty dominated". Can you back this up? I am betting that the major cities are. I suppose knowing that Toronto is horribly so, Ottawa is too and , aw what the hell, thats all the major ones in Canada isnt it? She is one of Canada's best known and longest-serving mayors Pretty damn impressive woman she is. Wish she had moved to TO many years ago. I also think she has not had it very hard because of the close proximity to TO. There is no such thing as 'homeless in Mississauga', if you are on pogey you move to Brampton or TO....but thats not a knock against Mayor Hazel, she is one of a kind and will die in office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 If the sponsership scandal was dealt with Ignatieff just let the Genie out of the bottle. What are you talking about? What genie out of what bottle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 When the NDP and the Liberals start supporting electoral reform The Liberals don't support Electoral Reform of any kind. Its not part of their platform. The Federal NDP supports Electoral Reform in a PR system. The Federal NDP supports Electoral Reform in the abolishing of the Senate. The Conservatives support Electoral Reform in an Elected Senate. (Erm, just ignore December for my benefit) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I'm with you on electoral reform. Our system is broken. Still voting Liberal, at least until we rid the country of the (not so much) Conservative (it's all about our jobs stupid) Party. Right now I'm constantly pushing for it, but putting my country first. Why would someone interested in PR, vote for the LPC who advocate against PR? Glad Elizabeth May got a ringing endorsement from her party. She's a great person. Definitely on my top ten list. The Greens did so well last time, the only party with a signicant increase, and no seats. That's criminal. Did you forget what has ultimately made you a Liberal? Kim Campbell collapse. 2,186,422 Votes and TWO SEATS! Big drop from the 169 seats they held. The biggest benefactors in the FPTP system is the Liberal Party over all others. The LPC are NEVER, EVER going to give up this system without a fight. And they would be foolish to do so if they ever want to govern as a majority again. Regardless, electoral reform isn't the be all and end all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 What are you talking about? What genie out of what bottle? What does "Banned from the Liberal Party for life" mean to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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