Argus Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 What about the extreme selfishness of people who like to drink? What about it? It's a part of our society and culture. I don't actually approve of it, personally but see no way of getting rid of it. Likewise, I don't see any way of legalizing pot given the barriers that would put up on our borders, and the affect that would have on trade and the economy. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Why is this post in this topic when it's got nothing to do with the topic? This post, and most of the others should be deleted or moved to the pothead topic. What does Harper ramping up the laws against pot have to do with combatting gangs? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
MontyBurns Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 What does Harper ramping up the laws against pot have to do with combatting gangs? Cause gangs deal in pot. Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
eyeball Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 What about it? It's a part of our society and culture. I don't actually approve of it, personally but see no way of getting rid of it. Likewise, I don't see any way of legalizing pot given the barriers that would put up on our borders, and the affect that would have on trade and the economy. Part of our society and culture is based on equality before the law. I know you don't approve of that but that's the law. Why can't Canada just obey the law like you do? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Cause gangs deal in pot. They used to deal in alcohol too. Why not now? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Part of our society and culture is based on equality before the law. I know you don't approve of that but that's the law. Why can't Canada just obey the law like you do? Try arguing that at the supreme court. Good luck to you. Think of yourselves as being akin to a paedophile. You're attracted to something the state says you can't have. Too bad, so sad. So you'll have to find something else for your amusement. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Wilber Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Do we even know how much of the gangs' income derives from pot as opposed to coke, crack, heroin, meth or whatever?There is already another thread to discuss the government's proposed changes to the drug act. Pretty hard to put concrete numbers on an illegal industry but the last I saw estimated the BC industry at between 6 and 7 billion a year with around 4 billion of that exported. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
MontyBurns Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 They used to deal in alcohol too. Why not now? They probably still do to a smaller degree. Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
ToadBrother Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Cause gangs deal in pot. Just like gangs used to deal in alcohol during Prohibition. Alcohol ceased to be a meaningfully profitable commodity for organized crime when, guess what, it was legalized. Quote
eyeball Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 (edited) Try arguing that at the supreme court. Good luck to you.Think of yourselves as being akin to a paedophile. You're attracted to something the state says you can't have. Too bad, so sad. So you'll have to find something else for your amusement. --- Edited March 2, 2009 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Try arguing that at the supreme court. Good luck to you.Think of yourselves as being akin to a paedophile. You're attracted to something the state says you can't have. Too bad, so sad. So you'll have to find something else for your amusement. I think I will, the cops are certainly scared shitless of the Charter. By the way thanks to guyser. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ToadBrother Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 I think I will, the cops are certainly scared shitless of the Charter. I don't think they're scared of it, they just don't see why it should apply to them. Quote
Argus Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Pretty hard to put concrete numbers on an illegal industry but the last I saw estimated the BC industry at between 6 and 7 billion a year with around 4 billion of that exported. For some reason whenever I read about violence among druggies it's over the harder stuff, not pot. It's kind of hard to imagine drive-bys because of pot. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 (edited) For some reason whenever I read about violence among druggies it's over the harder stuff, not pot. It's kind of hard to imagine drive-bys because of pot. What, you don't think billions in untracable profits is worth fighting over? Edited March 2, 2009 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DrGreenthumb Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 (edited) Try arguing that at the supreme court. Good luck to you.Think of yourselves as being akin to a paedophile. You're attracted to something the state says you can't have. Too bad, so sad. So you'll have to find something else for your amusement. So you are insinuating that pot use is to be equated with pedophilia? So much for your credibility.( as if you ever had any) How many Canadians do you think have tried pot? How about pedophilia? I don't think anyone but Conservatives can actually believe these two activities are even remotely comparable. I think the problem here with your logic is that pedophiles have victims. Also I think that since about half of Canadians think pot-use is acceptable enough an activity to have tried it themselves, and probably nearly 99% of Canadians have a friend who they know uses it, means that a lot of Canadians have more common sense than you do. Edited March 2, 2009 by DrGreenthumb Quote
DrGreenthumb Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Casual tokers aren't "forced" to buy anything. They don't have to buy from gangs, they can grow their own. Still technically illegal maybe but this thread is about the gangs they support by their choices. Technically illegal? Your beloved conservatives propose mandatory minimums of 6 months in jail for growing even one plant. A personal garden is pretty hard to hide when a rat calls crime stoppers or a cop decides he wants to search your home. A lot easier to hide a baggy full of bud purchased from someone else who is willing to take the additional risk of growing pot. Prohibition is BIG money for cops and police agencies, if my son was making upwards of 50,000 dollars a year working for a company that got much of its funding for its drugwar efforts I'm not sure I'd want the drugwar to end either. We would sure need a hell of a lot less cops if they only had to investigate REAL crimes. Quote
KingIggy Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 Again, the rightwing whackos blindly embrace the destruction of personal freedoms by blindly supporting the failed Republican war on drugs. They support a police state which mass incarcerates those who use soft drugs. They are behavioural fascists, plain and simple. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 Again, the rightwing whackos blindly embrace the destruction of personal freedoms by blindly supporting the failed Republican war on drugs. They support a police state which mass incarcerates those who use soft drugs. They are behavioural fascists, plain and simple. Speaking to a few people on the street today was wonderful - so I nod a hello to the odd stranger on my way home - being in a good social mood - I nod to a 50 year old Jamacian ...he turns violently to me and snears - mind your own buisness ( pure hate) _ you have to take the mature approach...and I am learning it - not all want civility or kindness or care - they are what they are..intergenerational evil - and if you think you can change an asian gang member in Vancouver to a saint - not going to happen - these people are dangerous and will kill you...for no good reason ---from now on I am keeping my mouth shut or I might "get popped by a few caps"....We are not behavioral facists....kindness is interpreded as an afront - a talking down too - these people are different...You have to use force of law - as for drugs - bring the troops back from Afghanistan and deploy them as boarder control.,stop guns and coke. Quote
WestViking Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 Do we even know how much of the gangs' income derives from pot as opposed to coke, crack, heroin, meth or whatever?There is already another thread to discuss the government's proposed changes to the drug act. I am more concerned over the money gangs make on human trafficking (sex trades), extortion, protection rackets, money laundering, smuggling, theft rings, and a dozen other illegal rackets. It is NOT all about drugs. These human hyenas will put their sister out on the street to make a buck. Quote Hall Monitor of the Shadowy Group
jdobbin Posted March 3, 2009 Author Report Posted March 3, 2009 It is NOT all about drugs. However, it is the Tories themselves that say that the uptick in gang violence is mostly about drugs. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 However, it is the Tories themselves that say that the uptick in gang violence is mostly about drugs. It's about power and control - real estate deals perhaps - prosititues - personal insults...drugs - all sorts of things...maybe they are thrill killers also. Quote
Argus Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 I am more concerned over the money gangs make on human trafficking (sex trades), extortion, protection rackets, money laundering, smuggling, theft rings, and a dozen other illegal rackets. It is NOT all about drugs. These human hyenas will put their sister out on the street to make a buck. Which is why I'd like to see more laws specifically aimed at gangs, and I'd like to see police surveillance freed up from the constraints presently surrounding it when gangs and organized crime are involved. I'd also like to see repeat offenders jailed indefinitely if they represent a continuing criminal threat. The cops pretty much know who most of the gang members are, including the motorcycle gangs. Why aren't they all in prison? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ToadBrother Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 The for profit prisons have to occur. It is far to costly for the taxpayers, and far too costly on society to have the present revolving door system. It does not work. One could argue that justice is thrown out the window in our present system, by having society pay the bill to "rehabilitate" felons. Society has paid enough. Why not make the jails profitable. The problem is not with that particular system, it's with the judges down there. But then that's me I could care less about severe penalties, that in itself works as a deterrent. For those who aren't deterred, it's straight to work for a spell. http://federalism.typepad.com/crime_federa...ack-scheme.html Doesn't seem like such a good idea to me. The judiciary is a branch of the government, and no aspect of it should be contracted out to the highest bidder. Quote
eyeball Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 Which is why I'd like to see more laws specifically aimed at gangs, and I'd like to see police surveillance freed up from the constraints presently surrounding it when gangs and organized crime are involved. I'd rather see police be outfitted with cameras so they can be trusted. I think Canadians are rapidly losing their mood for greater police powers in the wake of Dziekanski's killing, Ian Bush's killing, the Mayerthorpe debacle, the Arar debacle and where I live we have cops encouraging people to do away with the Charter. I'd also like to see repeat offenders jailed indefinitely if they represent a continuing criminal threat. The cops pretty much know who most of the gang members are, including the motorcycle gangs. Why aren't they all in prison? Its called habeas corpus. You leave the damn Charter alone and we'll get along fine. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 Its called habeas corpus. You leave the damn Charter alone and we'll get along fine. The problem isn't the Charter, or rather, the words in it. The problem is how those words have been stretched and "read in" and interpreted by various left-wing judges with political agendas. "Why, no, constable, we can't allow you to wear a microphone and record your dope buys for evidence. That would violate people's charter rights!" Bullshit. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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