Oleg Bach Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 So say you. Ignatieff's entire life has been a direct path to becoming a world leader. I'm proud that it will be as a Canadian Prime Minister.His father (recipient of the Order of Canada) would be proud. The Order Of Canada at this point holds no merit..perhaps it did then - but certainly not now. Ignatieff is NOT his father - as I am and you are not clones of the male...check out Ignatieffs mother - what I know about generational splitting genetically - is that the daughter inherits the mind and qualities of the father - and the son takes on the mothers characteristics - ego-centric males believe if they have a son it is a replacement and duplicate of themselves - not so. Quote
Realist Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 Yeah, again, going from A to C. An Ignatieff victory is far from certain. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 Hear hear The Order Of Canada in deed! Morgentaler is respected for offering alternatives to coathangers and backstreet butchers, so is deserving of the award. However, George Ignatieff was not an abortion doctor. He was President of the United Nations Security Council; was a permanent member of NATO and appointed disarmament ambassador. He was a promoter of peace and deserving of the award. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 Yeah, again, going from A to C. An Ignatieff victory is far from certain. I wouldn't say 'far from' and the odds of Ignatieff's victory are better than Harper's, by a long shot. With Bush gone, Canadians can now look forward to the end of our Neo-Conservative era. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Oleg Bach Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 Morgentaler is respected for offering alternatives to coathangers and backstreet butchers, so is deserving of the award.However, George Ignatieff was not an abortion doctor. He was President of the United Nations Security Council; was a permanent member of NATO and appointed disarmament ambassador. He was a promoter of peace and deserving of the award. As Morgentaler aged and began to lose focus he spilled the beans of why his life long quest for supposed female rights and equality - was a lie --- you avoided the documented fact that he revealed his real motivation - to protect Jews from what he mused as unborn arians .... I agree with the notion that Harper will pander to the American war machine - and Ignateiff may not - but how can we be sure if he is committed to creating a more civliized world? Quote
Alta4ever Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 It must gall you that Harper has altered his politics to cater to Ontario and Quebec. It drives me nuts that my taxes are transfered to those provinces for programs that I have not a vote for. It amounts to taxation without representation. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
noahbody Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 I wouldn't say 'far from' and the odds of Ignatieff's victory are better than Harper's, by a long shot. With Bush gone, Canadians can now look forward to the end of our Neo-Conservative era. Our neo-Conservative era? Do you by chance love Jesus, but drink a little? Quote
Realist Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 It drives me nuts that my taxes are transfered to those provinces for programs that I have not a vote for. It amounts to taxation without representation. Please. Ontario has been paying these transfers out for ages. We've been doing it without an economy based on a necessary resource to boot. Direct representation of every tax dollar collected will never be a reality, nor is it even an ideal to aspire to. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 Our neo-Conservative era? Do you by chance love Jesus, but drink a little? I don't drink at all and after the so-called Religous Right made Jesus a champion for war, don't get much from him either. However, Obama has made intelligence 'chic' and Bush has made ideology a dirty word. The Conservative movement, which was not so much conservatism as extemism, is on it's way out, thank gawd. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Oleg Bach Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 I don't drink at all and after the so-called Religous Right made Jesus a champion for war, don't get much from him either.However, Obama has made intelligence 'chic' and Bush has made ideology a dirty word. The Conservative movement, which was not so much conservatism as extemism, is on it's way out, thank gawd. That seems to fit the American spirit. During the American revolution there was an anti-earthly royalist war cry. "No king but Jesus" - seems that the Americans have been using Jesus as a champion for war for quite some time now. Which smacks of irony and anti-christism...I could have sworn that Christ said - "hey - put down that sword and if you cut off the other ear your damned Quote
Progressive Tory Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 As Morgentaler aged and began to lose focus he spilled the beans of why his life long quest for supposed female rights and equality - was a lie --- you avoided the documented fact that he revealed his real motivation - to protect Jews from what he mused as unborn arians .... I agree with the notion that Harper will pander to the American war machine - and Ignateiff may not - but how can we be sure if he is committed to creating a more civliized world? I was commenting on the notion that the Order of Canada was no big deal simply because Morgentaler won it. I've never followed his career, but would never try to compare him to George Ignatieff. They are two very different men. I'm on my second book of Michael Igantieff's and can see why he has won so many literary awards and why his books have been translated in 12 different languages. His message is not Left or Right; but is humanitarian and thought provoking. He is able to give both sides of the story, from his experiences with both sides of the story. His beliefs are not based on ideology. He doesn't have to take his information from a book - he wrote the books that other leaders, including Obama, draw from. Do I see him as the next Mesiah with all the answers and no faults? Not on your life. But with the world in crisis, it is a time for intelligence. Obama opened the door and convinced us that it's OK to be smart and not just cunning. Ignatieff's time outside Canada helped to put us on the map, and he comes with a positive international reputation. They were not wasted years and amoung his literary awards, he also has a Gemini to prove it. MacLeans got it right when they named him one of the 10 most influential Canadians. He did us proud. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 That seems to fit the American spirit. During the American revolution there was an anti-earthly royalist war cry. "No king but Jesus" - seems that the Americans have been using Jesus as a champion for war for quite some time now. Which smacks of irony and anti-christism...I could have sworn that Christ said - "hey - put down that sword and if you cut off the other ear your damned Exactly. 'Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition' Can't remember Jesus ever saying that. The Ku Klux Klan also claim to be doing his work. ????? Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Oleg Bach Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 Exactly. 'Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition' Can't remember Jesus ever saying that. The Ku Klux Klan also claim to be doing his work. ????? Yes and Mohamid is another example - not once did he say that the All Mighty was not all mighty --- to murder in the name of God is the act of an infidel...who by doing so is stating that God needs help and is NOT all powerful - If there is a God and I do believe so - He has been killing and birthing for eons...without the help of mankind...religion is intrinsicly perversable...goodness and the logical concept of God is not..fanatics are everywhere - they can not get it and never will - Christ was a Platonic figure who preached truth - commonly called reality...and logic. Some how the church has missed - political infusion to serve a few liars I suppose. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 Yeah, again, going from A to C. An Ignatieff victory is far from certain. He has a better chance than Harper, who had his chance and failed. Last election, with no better alternative, 850,000 former Liberal voters stayed home, along with 170,000 Canadian voters who had cast their ballot for the Conservatives in 2006. Ignatieff and Harper have both won elections, as MPs and both have won the leadership of their Party. That's as far as it goes in Canada. Harper will win his seat next election, if he runs; however, all but the West will now have a viable option. If he stays on, he will be the leader of the Opposition. I don't think he will stay on. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Oleg Bach Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 What ever group controls the media will win the next election. So far the old conservatives are still alive and well and have a firm hand on the talking heads - and the talking heads will say exactly what they are paid to say...so who has more media contacts - or should I say - which party is a friend of a media mogol? I bet on the conservatives...it will take about ten years for the old guard to fully retire...in the mean time the rats on radio - print and TV ....will conture the mind of the mass. Quote
Alta4ever Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 It drives me nuts that my taxes are transfered to those provinces for programs that I have not a vote for. It amounts to taxation without representation. Yes you live in a socialist province that like welfare handouts, i don't, I don't like one cent of my taxes paying for another provinces welfar cheques, if they want my money they can give me a say in how it is spent. But then a again you centre of the universe types do seem to think you know what's best for the ROC Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
M.Dancer Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 Yes you live in a socialist province that like welfare handouts, i don't, I don't like one cent of my taxes paying for another provinces welfar cheques, if they want my money they can give me a say in how it is spent. But then a again you centre of the universe types do seem to think you know what's best for the ROC Are you talking to yourself? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Oleg Bach Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 Yes you live in a socialist province that like welfare handouts, i don't, I don't like one cent of my taxes paying for another provinces welfar cheques, if they want my money they can give me a say in how it is spent. But then a again you centre of the universe types do seem to think you know what's best for the ROC Those useless old people from poor families - what a burden they are going to be on you. Imagine thousands collecting cheques and laying in the hospital along with your mother sucking up tax dollars --- Met a nurse once who squirted a syringe of morphine into the air and half jokingly said "This is how we get rid of old people" - perhaps someone should instruct her on which old people...would not want her to make a mistake. A five hundred dollar cheque given to a human being so he does not have to wander the streets is not a lot...it's at least the price of a bolt on an armoured personal carrier..or lunch for a bailed out executive - In the end buddy we are all the same - I treat the lowly crack head with the same respect as a banker...you have to if you have any class or grace. We all will poop our diapers one more time before this if over.. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 What ever group controls the media will win the next election. So far the old conservatives are still alive and well and have a firm hand on the talking heads - and the talking heads will say exactly what they are paid to say...so who has more media contacts - or should I say - which party is a friend of a media mogol? I bet on the conservatives...it will take about ten years for the old guard to fully retire...in the mean time the rats on radio - print and TV ....will conture the mind of the mass. I think the Conservatives are losing their grip on the media. Their rhetoric is getting old and tired. The whole Times Square Ignatieff/Obama images came about as a result of a Conservative error. Harper tried to prevent a meeting between Governor-General Michaëlle Jean and Obama, and when he was unable to that, instead tried to ban cameras and press coverage. Mme Jean put her foot down and issued her own invitation to the news media. He tried the same with Ignatieff, and when the Liberal leader's PR people had to follow the lead of the GG, they found a deal that included photos in Times Square and Las Vegas. Another Harper mis-step, and if he could have got his face on Times Square, he would have grabbed the deal. His attempt to control the presidential visit backfired. "The Prime Minister’s Office insists it's not to blame for the banishment of Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff to the Ottawa airport for his 15-minute chat with U.S. President Barack Obama moments before the Fly-by Summit ends on Thursday afternoon. That was a White House decision, they insist. Fair enough, even though it seems strange to divert the presidential chat to the airport given Mr. Ignatieff’s office is one floor above Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s meeting room in the Centre Block. But the rest of the itinerary has the choreographed look of Mr. Harper hogging the halo-illuminating Obama spotlight in what clearly would be a major image booster given the global mania this president seems to inspire wherever he goes." Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
madmax Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 Yes you live in a socialist province that like welfare handouts, You live in a Socialist Province. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 You live in a Socialist Province. Where there is a society there is socialism - you have to have it in certain measures..not all of us will be strong or stay strong for ever..do we dispose of the weak - small children or the unborn - the elderly - the broken by stress and betrayal? Where do you draw the line on who is a relevant life or not...I remember my mother insisting I abort my first born - because she was worried that she may in the future have to dish out some money...in time she apologized for the suggestion - and the children were a great joy to her. To feed a child is socialism - to force a child to work to fatten your own rich ass is Capitalism at it's best. Quote
Realist Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 (edited) Yes you live in a socialist province that like welfare handouts, i don't, I don't like one cent of my taxes paying for another provinces welfar cheques, if they want my money they can give me a say in how it is spent. But then a again you centre of the universe types do seem to think you know what's best for the ROC Are you talking to yourself, or haven't quite figured out the quote function? Come to think of it, your point makes so little sense when put together with my post that I would have ignored it as well. Ontario has, until recently, always payed out, and we will again be paying out once our economy recovers. We did it, and will do it, without an economy based on a necessary resource. Alberta has absolutely nothing to complain about economically. N-o-t-h-i-n-g. Politically, that's another matter and another story. But your horse is in parliament now and he seems to have sold you out. Edited February 23, 2009 by Realist Quote
guyser Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 Ontario has, until recently, always payed out, and we will again be paying out Always have, always will and we still do. The money out of Ontario would be missed from coast to coast if the tap were turned off. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 Always have, always will and we still do. The money out of Ontario would be missed from coast to coast if the tap were turned off. Look at the core of Toronto - the skyscape. It is a fragile cluster of bank towers that pales to most world class cities...but it is small and well managed. This cluster is the centre of wealth not just for Ontario but for all of Canada. Our little Oz need not be abused or sucked dry...this is our treasury and we are in good shape. The tap will be turned off from what I understand if other who are capable of fending for themselves want and take to much. This is frugal ville folks - the best frugs in the world run the place. Surpremecy though restraint. Quote
Smallc Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 It drives me nuts that my taxes are transferred to those provinces for programs that I have not a vote for. It amounts to taxation without representation. Never once has Ontario made a net withdrawal from the federal purse. That won't happen this year, not by a long shot. Ontario will receive some money back, but it will simply be money that they sent to Ottawa. Quote
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