Ignatieff The American

Smallc · February 22, 2009

Where did I suggest that Ignatieff should not report on the meeting?

Ignatieff did it right after, and so did Harper. You seem to imply that one was right to do so, and one wasn't.

SSD · February 22, 2009

Ignatieff did it right after, and so did Harper. You seem to imply that one was right to do so, and one wasn't.

Its their double standard. Apparently, rules only apply with ones they don't agree with.

bush_cheney2004 · February 22, 2009

The photo in question...in context....in New York City:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignatieff/3294597292/

capricorn · February 22, 2009

Ignatieff did it right after, and so did Harper. You seem to imply that one was right to do so, and one wasn't.

You think I am not clued in enough to know that the Leader of the Opposition has a right to comment on public issues and events? Please point to me where I implied Ignatieff does not have that right or obligation.

jdobbin · February 22, 2009

As it should be. Why wait until Ignatieff had his kick at the can? As Prime Minister, it was Harper's job to fill Canadians in on what transpired between them.

As it is the duty of the leader of the Official Opposition. It is why both leader traditionally have meetings.

With Obamania at fever pitch, the CBC was all too willing to give him airtime ASAP. Ignatieff was so eager to make news, he didn't give himself enough time to think of the consequences of the words that spilled out of his mouth.

Well, for partisan Conservative supporters, I don't think anything Ignatieff said or did would be good enough. If he didn't advocate for a longer meeting, he would be accused of not putting importance on the U.S. relation. If he indicated, he wanted a longer meeting, he is whining. If he said nothing about the meeting, he is secretive. If he talks about the meeting, he is being a gossip. Check.

capricorn · February 22, 2009

Yep....Ignatieff is so comfortable with media he didn't think twice about it when it comes to his "home-boy" from Harvard who made good.

Come to think of it, Ignatieff commenting that Obama "already looked tired" sounds very much like what a prof would tell his student during a difficult semester. I wonder if Ignatieff gave him tips on how to relax.

Oleg Bach · February 22, 2009

Iggy is like the husband that comes home because the wife has inherited a lot of money and her daddy has given him a position at the board table...but he is still enthrawled by his mistress, America - the little cheat! :lol:

bush_cheney2004 · February 22, 2009

....Well, for partisan Conservative supporters, I don't think anything Ignatieff said or did would be good enough.

Of course...Americans routinely expect to see opposition leaders from other countries on Jumbotrons in New York and Las Vegas....hell...we got used to seeing Celine Dion in lights, so how bad can it be? :lol:

capricorn · February 22, 2009

Well, for partisan Conservative supporters, I don't think anything Ignatieff said or did would be good enough. If he didn't advocate for a longer meeting, he would be accused of not putting importance on the U.S. relation. If he indicated, he wanted a longer meeting, he is whining. If he said nothing about the meeting, he is secretive. If he talks about the meeting, he is being a gossip. Check.

Well, for partisan Conservative Liberal supporters, I don't think anything Ignatieff Harper said or did would be good enough. If he didn't advocate for a longer meeting, he would be accused of not putting importance on the U.S. relation. If he indicated, he wanted a longer meeting, he is whining. If he said nothing about the meeting, he is secretive. If he talks about the meeting, he is being a gossip. Check and double check.

Oleg Bach · February 22, 2009

How can we take Dion seriously? Now how can we take a clearly star struck Ignatieff seriously. He groveled like a little boy at the feet of Santa...are there no real men left in Ottawa who can stand up like real men and show real atonomy?

jdobbin · February 22, 2009

Well, for partisan Conservative Liberal supporters, I don't think anything Ignatieff Harper said or did would be good enough.

I actually haven't said anything unfavourable about Harper's meeting. I happen to think it went well.

If he didn't advocate for a longer meeting, he would be accused of not putting importance on the U.S. relation. If he indicated, he wanted a longer meeting, he is whining. If he said nothing about the meeting, he is secretive. If he talks about the meeting, he is being a gossip. Check and double check.

As noted, I didn't say anything about Harper's meeting with Obama.

It was all in all a workman-like meet and greet and is the basis of a good continuing dialogue.

Oleg Bach · February 22, 2009

Vanity press - Harvard prestiege....Iggy will never be out side the box..He is institutionalized and like all educated idolitors he will seek the approval of his fellows - instead of the apporval of his real self and that of a higher devine force -called God and goodness ---- He's a systems boy. He who constantly seeks the approval of his fellow man become a slave to all....Iggy is not a freeman...He is confined and a cell mate who will never leave his institution of rehashed learning.

Smallc · February 22, 2009

I actually haven't said anything unfavorable about Harper's meeting. I happen to think it went well.

I, as a Liberal, will even go farther than that. I was very proud of the Prime Minister on Thursday. He did an excellent job. He put on a good face for Canada, and he acted in a very statesmanlike manner.

85RZ500 · February 22, 2009

Ah, Iggy the American, or is it the Englishman or the Russian? Who really knows, LOL, who really cares.

Ah, I've got it ,he's the Convenient Canadian, returned from everywhere to save our country with his wonderfullness. I hope they used the pic with his leg up and the sock showing, what a classy dude.

Too bad he didn't have the backbone to call the election.

Oleg Bach · February 22, 2009

I, as a Liberal, will even go farther than that. I was very proud of the Prime Minister on Thursday. He did an excellent job. He put on a good face for Canada, and he acted in a very statesmanlike manner.

I know that traditional manhood and dignity are frowned upon by some liberals, but Harper will command respect in the old fashioned way - for that he is to be commended. This is very important these days to behave like a MAN and not a worm - the worms are what caused us the problems we face today - not the men. Manhood is good and neccesary.

Oleg Bach · February 22, 2009

Ah, Iggy the American, or is it the Englishman or the Russian? Who really knows, LOL, who really cares.
Ah, I've got it ,he's the Convenient Canadian, returned from everywhere to save our country with his wonderfullness. I hope they used the pic with his leg up and the sock showing, what a classy dude.

Too bad he didn't have the backbone to call the election.

If he called an election he would have had to stand up and make statements - he would have had to be very impressive...I don't believe Dion or HIM could have pulled it off - Harper standing silent commands more respect and they were afraid.

85RZ500 · February 22, 2009

He actually IS very good as a leader. Do you think that the media would have cared if Dion had met with Obama. They would brush it off. Because Iggy has a really, really good chance at becoming PM, the media cares. He speaks a Churchillian style, looks dignified, pragmatic, and has had a successfu life outside of politics. I know you'll say he was just a teacher. You're wrong there, he was also a broadcaster, journalist, human rights activist, and author. He's been in places where Harper has only heard about on television. You'll also say that he made his success outside of Canada. You're right there but when you are an intellectual, you need to travel the world and take advantage of opportunities. Ex. there is nothing like the School of Government at Harvard in the world.
He needed to talk about Omar Khadr. Khadr is a Canadian citizen and therefore needs to be protected by our government from inhumane treatment. He also is a child soldier. He may or may not have thrown that supposed grenade but he deserves the rights every Canadian person not yet found guilty deserves. Oh yeah, Canadians ARE concerned for him; just look at the poll numbers. And he has every right complaining about troubles with his own government. It would be irresponsible for him to lie. He obviously isn't complaining but stating something that may have an effect on the U.S./Canada relationship. It is a minority governmetn afterall and he may hint of an election.

His picture in Times Square was done because no news media picked up the story of the Opposition Leader and Obama meeting. This is a statement to the Americans that Ignatieff, the de facto future P.M. of this nation, will be responsible for the Canadian side of this relationship soon enough. We all know that Harper isn't going to be in office for long--at least we can agree on that.

LOL, Bah!

Oleg Bach · February 22, 2009

A leader is someone you would follow and trust them with your mortal and economic life - I would not follow him. I get the impression that he is not street wise and when a real crisis occured he would fall apart if you took away his script...He would be the type that if there was an occupation of Canada - he would get out the "art of war" and sit like a fool following written instructions.

capricorn · February 22, 2009

From Chantal Hébert's blog.

Est-ce que Michael Ignatieff sait se qui ce passe dans son bureau?
En entrevue vendredi matin, le chef libéral a semblé mystifé par l’apparition de sa photo aux côtés du président américain Barack Obama sur Times Square à New-York. “C’est une erreur”, a-t-il déclaré.

Pourtant, comme le rapportent plusieurs journalistes, “l’erreur” en question a été organisée par le bureau de Michael Ignatieff.

http://blogues.lactualite.com/hebert/?p=300

Translation:

"Does Michael Ignatieff know what goes on in his office?

In an interview Friday morning, the Liberal leader seemed mystified by the appearance of his picture next to the American Barack Obama on Time Square in New York. "It's a mistake", he declared.

Yet, as reported by any journalists, the "mistake" in question was organized by Michael Ignatieff's office."

Could it be that Ignatieff was rebuffed by someone in Washington for the Time Square photo and is trying to distance himself from what he called the "mistake"?

Oleg Bach · February 23, 2009

From Chantal Hébert's blog.
http://blogues.lactualite.com/hebert/?p=300

Translation:

"Does Michael Ignatieff know what goes on in his office?

In an interview Friday morning, the Liberal leader seemed mystified by the appearance of his picture next to the American Barack Obama on Time Square in New York. "It's a mistake", he declared.

Yet, as reported by any journalists, the "mistake" in question was organized by Michael Ignatieff's office."

Could it be that Ignatieff was rebuffed by someone in Washington for the Time Square photo and is trying to distance himself from what he called the "mistake"?

Those Americans are a bit dumb and if they see a picture of Ignatieff beside Obama, they will assume that Iggy is the prime minister of Canada. I wonder if Iggy's staff thought that one up - start conditioning the dummied down Amerians now - why wait? Go to El Paso and show a picture of Harper - they won't have a clue who it is - Go to New York and now show a pic of Iggy - "hey that's the president of Canada' :lol:

bush_cheney2004 · February 23, 2009

Those Americans are a bit dumb and if they see a picture of Ignatieff beside Obama, they will assume that Iggy is the prime minister of Canada. I wonder if Iggy's staff thought that one up - start conditioning the dummied down Amerians now - why wait? Go to El Paso and show a picture of Harper - they won't have a clue who it is - Go to New York and now show a pic of Iggy - "hey that's the president of Canada'

Wrong on both counts....most Americans don't really know or give a damn who the PM of Canada is. May as well have been a photo of Dudley Do-right and Nell Fenwick on a horse.

Oleg Bach · February 23, 2009

Wrong on both counts....most Americans don't really know or give a damn who the PM of Canada is. May as well have been a photo of Dudley Do-right and Nell Fenwick on a horse.

Hey the liberals are great educators - I am sure with the right add campaign we could instill a mental picture of Iggy as our leader...planting early seeds is very lawyerish - and as you know - they are all lawyers...don't underestimate the piablity of the average person - Amercian or Canadian. So who is Dudley Do-right oh aged and dated one? :rolleyes:

Oleg Bach · February 23, 2009

Hey the liberals are great educators - I am sure with the right add campaign we could instill a mental picture of Iggy as our leader...planting early seeds is very lawyerish - and as you know - they are all lawyers...don't underestimate the piablity of the average person - Amercian or Canadian. So who is Dudley Do-right oh aged and dated one?

Don't forget Iggy's Harvard buddies ----- "Hey guys look at me since my posting at America north - loook - I am standing next to the President - am I a success or what?" E G O :lol:

bush_cheney2004 · February 23, 2009

Hey the liberals are great educators - I am sure with the right add campaign we could instill a mental picture of Iggy as our leader...planting early seeds is very lawyerish - and as you know - they are all lawyers...don't underestimate the piablity of the average person - Amercian or Canadian.

Ignatieff was behaving like an American/Briton, because that's what he is. The exercise was for Canada, not the United States. There is little reason for Americans to care unless it were Hugo Chavez.

So who is Dudley Do-right oh aged and dated one?

He is a fictional Mountie created for the Rocky and Bullwinkle Show:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudley_Do-Right

Nell really wanted to bang his horse instead.

Edited February 23, 2009 by bush_cheney2004

Oleg Bach · February 23, 2009

Ignatieff was behaving like an American/Briton, because that's what he is. The exercise was for Canada, not the United States. There is little reason for Americans to care unless it were Hugo Chavez.
He is a fictional Mountie created for the Rocky and Bullwinkle Show:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudley_Do-Right

Nell really wanted to bang his horse instead.

Hugo the boss Chavez....I always wondered what ancient Inca blood would do when you mixed it with oil. I just hope he does not start rolling severed heads down pyramids for luck and guidance. What a strange culture ---go back a thousand years and they would play some basket ball-- the winner had the honor of having his noggin used as the ball for the next match. You have lost all creds with me kid - the moment I saw the name Bullwinkle...scares me - the banker guy that I knew..his favorite quotes were out of Pink Panther...I found that distressing that the rich were a bit disconnected...He swore by Pink Panther and ran his empire according to the values displayed in the cartoon... Nell and a horse....whoooo Nellie - don't go there - you turning Roman on me? Hope you did not notice I was in a poor mood.... change is on the horizon and I hate change...specially if it effects me..been a pleasure - and our bantering is good for the union ---- You can have Canada now _ I am done with it ---- it was not just a Dudley it was dud.