The Rebounding Liberals have SHACKLED The Cons To The Center

KingIggy · February 2, 2009

The truth is, the Con budget is NOT socialist NDP policy..... it is CENTERIST (centrist). Historically, and now, under Iggy (CURRENTLY), the political center is LIBERAL turf. The right-wing twits/maniacs are delusional if they think the new Harper budget is socialist. It is NOT. It is SEMI-SOCIALIST (and semi-capitalist).

With wimpotent Dion gone, Iggy and the rejuvenating Libs have CHAINED and SHACKLED the CONS to the center, to get balance, between the insane extremes of leftist/rightist ideology.

Iggy holds the whip, and Harper & Co.'s skin provides the 'snap' sound.

Edited February 2, 2009 by KingIggy

Progressive Tory · February 2, 2009

Iggy holds the whip, and Harper & Co.'s skin provides the 'snap' sound.

Exactly. I see fractures in the Conservative Party on the horizon. Not all wanted to be dragged to the left or even the centre, and I doubt any wanted to be led by Michael Ignatieff.

For most of us who were once pro-coaltion, though not necessarily to take power but to make Harper do his job; we are now strongly opposed to a new coalition. We want an election. Liberal donations have increased and Iggy says they're ready. Man do we want an election, though I know we will have to wait at least three months.

I'm a huge Iggy fan; new Liberal supporter because of him. He's definitely in the driver's seat.

madmax · February 2, 2009

For most of us who were once pro-coaltion, though not necessarily to take power but to make Harper do his job; we are now strongly opposed to a new coalition.

Any way the wind blows.

Mr.Canada · February 2, 2009

Exactly. I see fractures in the Conservative Party on the horizon. Not all wanted to be dragged to the left or even the centre, and I doubt any wanted to be led by Michael Ignatieff.
For most of us who were once pro-coaltion, though not necessarily to take power but to make Harper do his job; we are now strongly opposed to a new coalition. We want an election. Liberal donations have increased and Iggy says they're ready. Man do we want an election, though I know we will have to wait at least three months.

I'm a huge Iggy fan; new Liberal supporter because of him. He's definitely in the driver's seat.

Just a couple days ago and for weeks on end you were wanting Ignotieff to join a coalition now you're against the idea? LOL, this is why the Liberals won't win an election. No policy, no plan, no credibility, only arrogance.

Progressive Tory · February 2, 2009

Any way the wind blows.

The wind that blew the Conservatives toward co-operative government was a blessed wind indeed. The wind that blew the Conservatives into a 'Separatist' tailspin was a blessed wind indeed. The wind that blew Ignatieff to the top of the heap was a blessed wind indeed.

To everything (turn, turn, turn)

There is a season (turn, turn, turn)

And a time for every purpose, under heaven

A time to gain, a time to lose

A time to rend, a time to sew

A time to love, a time to hate

A time for peace, I swear its not too late

The coalition was a complete success. Dion gone and Harper on a leash. Turn, turn, turn.

madmax · February 2, 2009

The coalition was a complete success. Dion gone and Harper on a leash. Turn, turn, turn.

turn turn turn is good. I was using the last line from Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen.

Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-

Caught in a landslide-

No escape from reality-

Open your eyes

Look up to the skies and see-

Im just a poor boy,i need no sympathy-

Because Im easy come,easy go,

A little high,little low,

Anyway the wind blows,doesnt really matter to me,

and for the budget finale

Nothing really matters,
Anyone can see,

Nothing really matters-,nothing really matters to me,

Any way the wind blows....

Edited February 2, 2009 by madmax

Progressive Tory · February 2, 2009

Just a couple days ago and for weeks on end you were wanting Ignotieff to join a coalition now you're against the idea? LOL, this is why the Liberals won't win an election. No policy, no plan, no credibility, only arrogance.

I only ever wanted the threat of the coalition to stop Harper from being the Leader of the Conservative Party of Canada, long enough to start acting like the Prime Minister of Canada. Iggy never liked the coalition and has always preferred an election.

"No policy, no plan, no credibility, only arrogance" is just rhetoric based on wishful thinking.

Mr.Canada · February 2, 2009

I only ever wanted the threat of the coalition to stop Harper from being the Leader of the Conservative Party of Canada, long enough to start acting like the Prime Minister of Canada. Iggy never liked the coalition and has always preferred an election.
"No policy, no plan, no credibility, only arrogance" is just rhetoric based on wishful thinking.

You've never said that until recently. You wanted the coalition to take power and Iggnotieff to become PM. You've said it many times.

So what is the Liberal policy and plan? What does the LPC as party policy stand for?

Progressive Tory · February 2, 2009

turn turn turn is good. I was using the last line from Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen.

And maybe for Harper:

And it seems to me you lived your life

Like a candle in the wind

Never knowing who to cling to

When the rain set in

We brought on the rain and he's clinging for dear life.

(Battling lyrics. Wow. LOL.)

madmax · February 2, 2009

"No policy, no plan, no credibility, only arrogance" is just rhetoric based on wishful thinking.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You just described the Liberal Party.

Progressive Tory · February 2, 2009

You've never said that until recently. You wanted the coalition to take power and Iggnotieff to become PM. You've said it many times.
So what is the Liberal policy and plan? What does the LPC as party policy stand for?

I've always said that I like the threat of the coaltion but hoped that the budget would pass. I never felt comfortable with the 'Dion factor'. Sometimes as a knee jerk reaction to more bad news on the state of our economy, I'd suggest that I'd rather have Ignatieff now. However, he doesn't want to become PM that way, so I have to respect that. He only agreed to do it if he absolutely had to.

We now want an election and we're ready for an election. I only hope the GG agrees if in 3 months time the Cons fail to meet their obligations.

Edited February 2, 2009 by Progressive Tory

madmax · February 2, 2009

Like a candle in the wind
(Battling lyrics. Wow. LOL.)

Harper doesn't have blonde hair..... and I don't think he is going to die it blonde anytime soon.

Edited February 2, 2009 by madmax

Progressive Tory · February 2, 2009

You just described the Liberal Party.

Actually, I quoted Mr. Canada describing Ignatieff. I'm not allowed to make negative comments without mounds and mounds of backup...in triplicate...notarized.

Count Dr. Michael Ignatieff in triplicate:

Harvard PhD

Taught at Oxford and Cambridge

Sought out by Harvard to head up Human Rights Department

Award Winning Author

Political Commentator

Sexiest academic in Canada

Documentary Filmmaker

Harvard PhD

Taught at Oxford and Cambridge

Sought out by Harvard to head up Human Rights Department

Award Winning Author

Political Commentator

Sexiest academic in Canada

Documentary Filmmaker

Harvard PhD

Taught at Oxford and Cambridge

Sought out by Harvard to head up Human Rights Department

Award Winning Author

Political Commentator

Sexiest academic in Canada

Documentary Filmmaker

capricorn · February 2, 2009

We want an election. Liberal donations have increased and Iggy says they're ready. Man do we want an election, though I know we will have to wait at least three months.

In a sign that he's leaning towards supporting the budget, Ignatieff said Canada needs an election "like a hole in the head."
"It's not the preferred choice of Canadians."

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...21?hub=Politics

Maybe you're right. Maybe in 3 months time Iffy Iggy will change his tune and think Canadians want an election.

And speaking of political donations..

The Conservative Party raised a record $21.2 million in 2008 according to fundraising data available at the Elections Canada website but as yet unannounced in a news release. Elections Canada is expected to announce the release of the parties' 4th Quarter Returns later today, but has already entered the data into their online database.
The Conservatives beat their previous record of $18.7M in 2006, and raised more than 1.5 times the amount raised by all their competitors combined.

http://punditsguide.ca/2009/02/conservativ...212-million.php

The Liberals took in $5.9M. I'm certain the Count can count.

Progressive Tory · February 2, 2009

The Liberals took in $5.9M. I'm certain the Count can count.

Your first article is a week and a half old. The fundraising for the Cons was no surprise but for both parties, represent Oct-Dec of last year. Frankly, I'm surprised the Liberals went up at all, considering that Dion was still at the healm for most of that time.

However, now that Ignatieff is in the spotlight, word from our own local Liberal HQ is that we are experiencing a renewed growth in donations.

Unless the Conservatives are planning on buying the next election, this will not be a factor. Harper is leading them down the tubes.

OddSox · February 2, 2009

However, now that Ignatieff is in the spotlight, word from our own local Liberal HQ is that we are experiencing a renewed growth in donations.

Word on the street has it that they can't even afford to hire staff - http://www.thehilltimes.ca/html/cover_inde...imbers/&c=1

Progressive Tory · February 2, 2009

Word on the street has it that they can't even afford to hire staff - http://www.thehilltimes.ca/html/cover_inde...imbers/&c=1

It was a small price to pay to get rid of Dion's staff. "It will be a different story once the new fiscal year begins". This was about operating budget. Not campaign fund raising.

madmax · February 2, 2009

It was a small price to pay to get rid of Dion's staff. "It will be a different story once the new fiscal year begins". This was about operating budget. Not campaign fund raising.

You sure seem to have alot of inside knowledge. How come most of it is wrong, and as the winds change, you shift gears with it and change your tune to sing the next rewritten phrase?

One thing I am not fond of is a parrot.

charter.rights · February 2, 2009

Harper basically rose to form the government because there was no other logical choice. Against Martin the Canadian electorate could not condone a party that was perhaps involved in shady dealings. Against Dion, Harper still only managed a minority government albeit slightly higher...and that was against a lack lustre, poorly communicated last minute Liberal choice for leader. The Canadian public passed the torch to Harper only as an alternative to ~nothing better~ and only as a minority who should be working together in parliament.

The problem is that Harper doesn't want to work together and would rather be the bully. Again he got away with it because there was no other choice for the Liberals. However, now that Ignatief provides that choice Harper's days are numbered IMO. While he will still capture the extreme right support of the former Reform / Alliance he will have a greater time capturing the centre right / centre left. Iggy provides the alternative and appearing with a centre right image might be the icing on the cake he needs to win an election. That is not to say there is a majority for them on the horizon, but I think there are enough people pissed off with the Harper that it puts Iggy in minority take-over mode.

Alta4ever · February 2, 2009

Harper basically rose to form the government because there was no other logical choice. Against Martin the Canadian electorate could not condone a party that was perhaps involved in shady dealings. Against Dion, Harper still only managed a minority government albeit slightly higher...and that was against a lack lustre, poorly communicated last minute Liberal choice for leader. The Canadian public passed the torch to Harper only as an alternative to ~nothing better~ and only as a minority who should be working together in parliament.
The problem is that Harper doesn't want to work together and would rather be the bully. Again he got away with it because there was no other choice for the Liberals. However, now that Ignatief provides that choice Harper's days are numbered IMO. While he will still capture the extreme right support of the former Reform / Alliance he will have a greater time capturing the centre right / centre left. Iggy provides the alternative and appearing with a centre right image might be the icing on the cake he needs to win an election. That is not to say there is a majority for them on the horizon, but I think there are enough people pissed off with the Harper that it puts Iggy in minority take-over mode.

Why is it you all fail to understand that Harper was elected as part of a CPC government, they are suppose to try to pass policy from the conservative party policy into legislation by any legal means necessary. The fact that the cpc is the only center right party in the comons means that they have ot try to ram this stuff through in minority parliment, this doesn't make PMSH a bully it make him effective. quit whining and cryign because your lefist socialist leaders took three years to develop the brass to attempt to stand up to him in the commons.

Progressive Tory · February 2, 2009

You sure seem to have alot of inside knowledge. How come most of it is wrong, and as the winds change, you shift gears with it and change your tune to sing the next rewritten phrase?
One thing I am not fond of is a parrot.

Most of what I post comes from newspapers. 'Inside knowledge', if you can call it that, comes from friends I made during the 'Coalition' movement, and we remain in daily contact. I don't pretend to know everything but have been told by the local Liberal office (when I dropped off my cheque) that contributions are coming more regular now and everyone is in very good spirits.

Michael Ignatieff has gotten a lot of good press lately so I don't wonder. If we had to raise funds for the next election, I think it will be much easier now. Few wanted to waste money on Dion.

The Conservatives got a lot of press during their 'Separatist' campaign and money was pouring in. However, it was also going out in radio and TV ads that resulted in their losing Quebec support and their latest move to an 84 billion dollar deficit predicition, should just about choke any additional financial support from their Reform Party base.

We're on our way up. He's on his way down.

Topaz · February 2, 2009

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...ialComment/home Edited February 2, 2009 by Topaz

Progressive Tory · February 2, 2009

Why is it you all fail to understand that Harper was elected as part of a CPC government, they are suppose to try to pass policy from the conservative party policy into legislation by any legal means necessary. The fact that the cpc is the only center right party in the comons means that they have ot try to ram this stuff through in minority parliment, this doesn't make PMSH a bully it make him effective. quit whining and cryign because your lefist socialist leaders took three years to develop the brass to attempt to stand up to him in the commons.

First off, everytime somebody here accuses Harper of being right wing, someone stands up in protest and says 'No'. He is moving to the centre. He is a 'Red Tory'. Then when he's accused of abandoning the social conservative agenda, and the founding principles of the Party, again 'No'. He would never sway from a rightwing agenda. Harper himself refers to the term Progressive Conservative as an oxymoron.

The trouble with the whole 'big tent' theory is that the several branches of the Party have severly differing opinions. For the Reformers they now see the Party trying to be more PC, and appear to have had just about enough. If Harper is centre now, he's got some 'splainin' to do.

Alta4ever · February 2, 2009

Most of what I post comes from newspapers. 'Inside knowledge', if you can call it that, comes from friends I made during the 'Coalition' movement, and we remain in daily contact. I don't pretend to know everything but have been told by the local Liberal office (when I dropped off my cheque) that contributions are coming more regular now and everyone is in very good spirits.

I suggest you forget about those friends they obviously had no idea about what is popular and what will fly politically in this country. In other words they are out of touch with the political realities in this country.

Topaz · February 2, 2009

The wind that blew the Conservatives toward co-operative government was a blessed wind indeed. The wind that blew the Conservatives into a 'Separatist' tailspin was a blessed wind indeed. The wind that blew Ignatieff to the top of the heap was a blessed wind indeed.
To everything (turn, turn, turn)

There is a season (turn, turn, turn)

And a time for every purpose, under heaven

A time to gain, a time to lose

A time to rend, a time to sew

A time to love, a time to hate

A time for peace, I swear its not too late

The coalition was a complete success. Dion gone and Harper on a leash. Turn, turn, turn.

Tory, I think the song that best suit the Libs towards the Tories is Twisted Sisters, "We are gonna take it anymore" Can you see Iggy singing it to Harper in the Commons!!