ToadBrother Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 To do what- He could have been leading the country through the coalition, and more importantly, Harper is not leading the country. Instead he has given power back to Stephen Harper, making the liberal party look as though they have no direction. Their real role is to act as Harper enablers, giving him another term as leader and proving, that both the Liberal party and CPC have the same ultimate agenda- US appeasement. The Liberal Party had no direction, which is why they concocted this coalition. Now they've got a proper leader whose intentions are not simply to grab power for a day, but to actually remake the party and lead them to a proper victory. I know some folks believe that Canada wanted this coalition, but it just ain't so. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 I don't know if I could ever bring myself to vote Liberal, but if anyone will sell me on it, it seems Ignatieff is the man. We need to talk. Have I got a deal for you. Tall, slim, wise, Harvard PhD. Reads to his wife because she has vision problems, but can outfox the foxiest. Not too many miles yet but built to last. No money down. What will it take to put you with this Leader today? Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
M.Dancer Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 We need to talk. Have I got a deal for you. Tall, slim, wise, Harvard PhD. Reads to his wife because she has vision problems, but can outfox the foxiest. Not too many miles yet but built to last. No money down. What will it take to put you with this Leader today? Can i get one in Canadian? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Ontario Loyalist Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 Oh, yeah, the Liberals were so weak and pathetic for entering into a Coalition with the NDP and Bloc, but now that they've resumed their traditional role of propping up the Conservatives... Quote Some of us on here appreciate a view OTHER than the standard conservative crap. Keep up the good work and heck, they have not banned me yet so you are safe Cheers! Drea
Progressive Tory Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 I suggest, rather than cheerleadering Harper, you better consider a replacement for him. He's a reckless fool of a man. The man who was supposed to be such a brilliant strategist has been neutered. His high pitched yelps are barely a weak growl. Party execs said fix this or else. He failed. He's gone. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 Ignatief proves the "Bigger Idiot theory" applies to politics as well. Ignatieff and the liberals lose, but Harper does not win. Harper only wins in that he gets to play for while longer. Not though, by the will of the Canadian people, who wanted the Coalition. So, the Canadian people lose. Thanks, Iggy. We will not forget it come the next election. Bye Bye, Liberals. For you it's the Day of Reckoning.And if that happens, rightly so... time to decimate the stinking old boys club! This was a brilliant move. The Coalition is not dead by a long shot. First off there's no guarantee that Harper will accept the new restrictions. If he doesn't the Coalition is ready to take over. It might actually be their best move because it gives them a year and half to select a new leader without the worry of an election. If Ignatieff had come out and said no to tax cuts, he'd have been the enemy. Some of the critics of the budget state, besides the obvious, increases in spending with reduction in revenue; that many items were too vague. The Tories have no wiggle room now. Harper will not work under these conditions. No way, no how. Well played Iggy. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 38% of Canadians supported the Coalition. Believe it or not but Canada extends further then Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal. The fact that more people now want an election over the Coalition doesn't mean they'd vote Conservative. At least half of my Coalition group who were 100% against another election, are now split. They feel that we have a very good chance of beating the Tories. No one is comfortable with them holding onto those 143 seats. Be careful what you wish for, because anti-Coalition doesn't necessarily mean pro-Conservative. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
ToadBrother Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 This was a brilliant move. The Coalition is not dead by a long shot. First off there's no guarantee that Harper will accept the new restrictions. If he doesn't the Coalition is ready to take over. It might actually be their best move because it gives them a year and half to select a new leader without the worry of an election.If Ignatieff had come out and said no to tax cuts, he'd have been the enemy. Some of the critics of the budget state, besides the obvious, increases in spending with reduction in revenue; that many items were too vague. The Tories have no wiggle room now. Harper will not work under these conditions. No way, no how. Well played Iggy. The problem now is that it's not really up to Harper any more. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 The Liberals and the NDP are no longer relevant, and the Conservative's fate is in the hands of the Separatists. It's funny how Harper supporters called the Coalition a deal with Separatists and now tell us that Harper will hang onto his job by making a deal with separatists. Cons support in Quebec is gone. If Duceppe deals with them, so is he. Nice dream though. He blew it when the first 'Separatist' roar left his mouth. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
M.Dancer Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 This was a brilliant move. The Coalition is not dead by a long shot. The coalition is deader than John Updike. Simply because Jack (giant ego) Layton probably feels like he's been used like the cheap political whore that he is. Jack ( giant ego) Layton will have a hard time overcoming his hurt feelings and pectulence to work with that Liberal fellow. With any luck, we may see Jack (bruised ego) Layton cry tomorrow. Probably because Olivia will have hoofed him in the nads for being such a gormless prat. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Progressive Tory Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 Can i get one in Canadian? Born in Canada, father a diplomat so extensive international experience. Followed every professor's wet dream and taught at Oxford and Cambridge. Political Commentator for BBC. Captain of his varsity soccer team. I can throw in a Rhodes' scholar and two Oxford grads, and the undercoating is free. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 Oh, yeah, the Liberals were so weak and pathetic for entering into a Coalition with the NDP and Bloc, but now that they've resumed their traditional role of propping up the Conservatives... Not propping up...more like pulling the strings and keeping the keys to the vault. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
normanchateau Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 Not propping up...more like pulling the strings and keeping the keys to the vault. I see that Harper has been far less visible today and yesterday. He might even loosen the leash on some of his own MPs as his grows tighter.. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 The coalition is deader than John Updike. Simply because Jack (giant ego) Layton probably feels like he's been used like the cheap political whore that he is. Jack ( giant ego) Layton will have a hard time overcoming his hurt feelings and pectulence to work with that Liberal fellow.With any luck, we may see Jack (bruised ego) Layton cry tomorrow. Probably because Olivia will have hoofed him in the nads for being such a gormless prat. Jack Layton has no reason to like or trust Harper. However, I think he'll get the last laugh because his political career will probably last longer than that of his nemesis. Our local NDP candidate is Vice-Principal of my grandson's school. I spoke with him today and he's quite happy with Ignatieff's move. He says anything that can get rid of Harper is good news to him. His wife is French-Canadian and spits fire just looking at him. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Topaz Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 The coalition is deader than John Updike. Simply because Jack (giant ego) Layton probably feels like he's been used like the cheap political whore that he is. Jack ( giant ego) Layton will have a hard time overcoming his hurt feelings and pectulence to work with that Liberal fellow.With any luck, we may see Jack (bruised ego) Layton cry tomorrow. Probably because Olivia will have hoofed him in the nads for being such a gormless prat. Come on Dance, tell us how you REALLY feel about Layton! Most politicans are in it for the pension and the retirement packages only, but once in a while you will see some that are passioned about helping people too. Like or not, Jack always talked about the people who need the help and most Tories don't believe in social programs to help other people and the Tories have lived up to that. It's good to have Jack there to point out to voters what the Tories and the Libs are going or saying. I wouldn't count the coalition dead as yet. Quote
ToadBrother Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 (edited) ...I wouldn't count the coalition dead as yet. How many times does Ignatieff have to kick the swollen, bloated, stinking corpse before you guys get the hint? There's no more coalition. I just wish someone would bury it, it's beginning to smell up the place. You can put it next to Stephan Dion's political career. Edited January 28, 2009 by ToadBrother Quote
Progressive Tory Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 Come on Dance, tell us how you REALLY feel about Layton! Most politicans are in it for the pension and the retirement packages only, but once in a while you will see some that are passioned about helping people too. Like or not, Jack always talked about the people who need the help and most Tories don't believe in social programs to help other people and the Tories have lived up to that. It's good to have Jack there to point out to voters what the Tories and the Libs are going or saying. I wouldn't count the coalition dead as yet. I agree. He believes in what he's doing and genuinely cares. I may not vote NDP but will put up my dukes anytime someone suggests that he's in it for the power. When the Conservatives said that his father would be disappointed in him, they went too far. If he voted in their favour, I would be disappointed in him. A man of conviction. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
M.Dancer Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 His wife is French-Canadian and spits fire just looking at him. Ummm? So? Is that somehow relevant or noteworthy that circus performers are interested in politics?? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Mr.Canada Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 How many times does Ignatieff have to kick the swollen, bloated, stinking corpse before you guys get the hint? There's no more coalition. I just wish someone would bury it, it's beginning to smell up the place. You can put it next to Stephan Dion's political career. Here, here...Ignatieff has the right idea, get as far as quickly as possible from this Coalition idea. The only thing the Coalition supporters are doing by talking about it are driving more votes to the Tories. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
M.Dancer Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 I agree. He believes in what he's doing and genuinely cares. I may not vote NDP but will put up my dukes anytime someone suggests that he's in it for the power. Me too.....no one believes any Dipper, especially Jack( person of the peeple)Layton, are in it for power (unless it means always getting the best table at your favourite danforth taverna)..dippers are in it for the free housing, pension and the subsidized cafeteria. And for most of them, being in Ottawa wins hands down over being in bum blast northern ontario... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Progressive Tory Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 Here, here...Ignatieff has the right idea, get as far as quickly as possible from this Coalition idea. The only thing the Coalition supporters are doing by talking about it are driving more votes to the Tories. The Coalition is dead if Harper agrees to be put on a short leash. For me, the Coaltion was not about taking power; just making Harper do his job. It was a complete success. Even his won party has turned on him and he's now just a seat warmer. We've already won. All of the power but none of the blame. Well played. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Smallc Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 The Coalition is dead if Harper agrees to be put on a short leash. The Conservatives say they'll agree to it. The Liberals said today that the coalition is dead. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 Me too.....no one believes any Dipper, especially Jack( person of the peeple)Layton, are in it for power (unless it means always getting the best table at your favourite danforth taverna)..dippers are in it for the free housing, pension and the subsidized cafeteria. And for most of them, being in Ottawa wins hands down over being in bum blast northern ontario... Where'd you get the idea that the rest of the Tories turned on PM Harper? Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
capricorn Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 The Liberals said today that the coalition is dead. Today, Layton and Duceppe said the coalition is dead. But Iggy appears to still be in "a coalition if necessary but not necessarily a coalition" mode. The message on the coalition from the Liberal side doesn't seem to jive. Ignatieff refused to say the coalition — negotiated last November by his predecessor, Stephane Dion — is finished. He suggested it could still “play a useful role” in future.However, his Quebec lieutenant, Denis Coderre, bluntly declared it “dead.” And Ignatieff’s erstwhile partners, NDP Leader Jack Layton and Bloc Quebecois Gilles Duceppe, could not contain their anger, heaping scorn on the Liberal leader. “That’s the end of the coalition,” said Duceppe, calling the Ignatieff amendment “a smokescreen” for Liberals to continue propping up the Harper government, as they did under Dion. Layton called it “a sad day” and said the newly minted Liberal leader has blown his first big decision. “Today, we learn that we can’t place our trust in Mr. Ignatieff in terms of defeating Mr. Harper,” Layton said. “We have a new coalition on Parliament Hill. It’s a coalition between Mr. Harper and Mr. Ignatieff. I can tell you we will be opposing this coalition each and every day.” http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/canada/200...28/8177706.html I'm sure the Liberals will sort out their position on the coalition in no time. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
jdobbin Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 I'm sure the Liberals will sort out their position on the coalition in no time. If Harper rejected the amendments, it was a coalition. Now, the opportunity comes again in three months. Quote
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