Oleg Bach Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 We all grow up to believe in our institutions. We trust blindly that the people on top of the heap finacially and politically are good people. We without thinking believe that justice and fairness really exist..that if we care and love we will be loved and cared for back. If you look at the world with ultimate realism and bravely except the truth, you will come to the cold stark understanding that some how the days of ethics and justice and social freedom really don't exist. As we view the problems in the world domestically and internationally, we foolishly and with a wishful mind conclude that it's about fanatic religiousity - or isolated quirky cases of corruption..that in the over all there are a few bad apples that control us but for the most part they are noble and smart. This wishful thinking and delluded hopefulness is an error in judgement for the most part. Observe the problems in Iraq - in Israel - in Washington and within our own corporate world you can only come to one conclution. All of our institutions are now firmly controled by highly sophisticated and supposedly respectable people - we imagine that if the super rich and influential got to their lofty postions because they were good. The mayhem that is taking place in Palistine is caused by crimminals of the highest order. The confusion and tormenting of the people of Israel is also caused by their counterpart in leadership - who are also crimminals. As the Bush Cheney regime leave..they attempt to install more of their crimminal friends in high postions in order to carry on with the corrupt status quo. Look at Bush as he regrets - saying "I am very disappointed in the fact that we found no weapons of mass destruction" ...as if he had then he could justify bombing the oldest civilization back into the stone age - as if he could justify the killing of thousands of civilians - and the abusive sacrafice of American service people who lost life and limb...the worst part is that these crazed and delluded crimminals are so far gone they actually believe that they do the right thing and that their behaviour is sane...all the problems all over the world have nothing to do with - Muslims or Jews - or Christians or atheists zealots - it's all profit based and those that justify the killing of others for profit and adventure can only be called CRIMMINALS...That is the bottom line - show me on instance of honourable and honest behaviour from any of the factions and individuals I have mentioned -----the proof is before you - crimmials have taken over totally - and as long as we respect them - they will continue to bring harm to all - including themselves in the long run. Quote
Muddy Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 Some of the most honourable and honest people I have ever met have been the very rich and very poor. Some times we play by different rules . Not because of greed and power but by how we read the fine print. The strength of our freedom though lies in the middle class. Beware of anyone preaching that all should be equal . Thats who become the greatest mass murders. Stalin ,Mao etc. Democracy is far from perfect but it has allowed the greatest freedoms to flourish. It allows people to hope and strive to better themselves and their childrens future. Never in the annals of history have societies leaders been as benevolent to the mass` since the concept of democracy. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted January 16, 2009 Author Report Posted January 16, 2009 Some of the most honourable and honest people I have ever met have been the very rich and very poor. Some times we play by different rules . Not because of greed and power but by how we read the fine print. The strength of our freedom though lies in the middle class. Beware of anyone preaching that all should be equal . Thats who become the greatest mass murders. Stalin ,Mao etc. Democracy is far from perfect but it has allowed the greatest freedoms to flourish. It allows people to hope and strive to better themselves and their childrens future. Never in the annals of history have societies leaders been as benevolent to the mass` since the concept of democracy. The middle class is our saving grace, but they are systemically being driven into the ground by mindless elite that hold most of humanity in contempt. Yes there are fine rich people - and yes some of the poorest are fit to be prime ministers and presidents. Point being - It's all very tribal - the clan warfare that existed in the west for centuries has culminated in victory for a few clans..those are now called our establishement ....If you go back genetically and look at the lower end orgainizations such as Hell's Angels...they genetically are the same as our elite - what ever clan wins becomes respectable and are called establishment - and the losers such as Hell's Angels are deemed crimminals ....Moraly speaking both ends of the spectrum still function with a crimminal mind - the bigger guy dawns the cloak of goodness and the loser gets to wear the black hat and the priate smile - they are the same! Quote
Muddy Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 The middle class is our saving grace, but they are systemically being driven into the ground by mindless elite that hold most of humanity in contempt. Yes there are fine rich people - and yes some of the poorest are fit to be prime ministers and presidents. Point being - It's all very tribal - the clan warfare that existed in the west for centuries has culminated in victory for a few clans..those are now called our establishement ....If you go back genetically and look at the lower end orgainizations such as Hell's Angels...they genetically are the same as our elite - what ever clan wins becomes respectable and are called establishment - and the losers such as Hell's Angels are deemed crimminals ....Moraly speaking both ends of the spectrum still function with a crimminal mind - the bigger guy dawns the cloak of goodness and the loser gets to wear the black hat and the priate smile - they are the same! Balderdash! Outfits like the Hells Angels have no desire to cover up who and what they are .Thugs of the first order! They depend on fear! Our politicians just lie in some cases or don`t tell the whole truth ,but they don`t rule by fear. trying to compare the two is ridiculous.. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted January 16, 2009 Author Report Posted January 16, 2009 Balderdash! Outfits like the Hells Angels have no desire to cover up who and what they are .Thugs of the first order! They depend on fear! Our politicians just lie in some cases or don`t tell the whole truth ,but they don`t rule by fear. trying to compare the two is ridiculous.. Exactly! They have no desire to hide their shame - but folks like Cheney who will shoot you in the face as fast as look at you - spends great energy covering what he really is and what lays in his heart. Look at the corporate bailouts...what the heck is that? Take money from the tax payer - give it to the failed bankers..who will lend you back your own money at an interest...don't tell me that's not being a thug of the highest order? As for ruling by fear - look at those who sleep on grates - This is a symbolic cruxifiction of the non-compliant citizen - It is a statement that says - work for us or end up here - If those in control wanted the homeless gone they would not be in sight -they are left in sight to intimidate. Quote
Muddy Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 Exactly! They have no desire to hide their shame - but folks like Cheney who will shoot you in the face as fast as look at you - spends great energy covering what he really is and what lays in his heart. Look at the corporate bailouts...what the heck is that? Take money from the tax payer - give it to the failed bankers..who will lend you back your own money at an interest...don't tell me that's not being a thug of the highest order? As for ruling by fear - look at those who sleep on grates - This is a symbolic cruxifiction of the non-compliant citizen - It is a statement that says - work for us or end up here - If those in control wanted the homeless gone they would not be in sight -they are left in sight to intimidate. [/quot Wow! Now we are onto the homeless! Lets do a little history here. Before we had the Charter of Wrongs in Canada ,the nice policeman would remove the homeless from the street against their will. Clean them up, put them in a nice warm cell and feed and clothe them. He can`t do that now! We had institutions where we could put those with mental problems, and kindly do it against their will. It has been the Liberal establishment that has created the situation we are in when it comes to homeless ,drunks and may I dare speak the truth. Bums litter our streets! Quote
Oleg Bach Posted January 16, 2009 Author Report Posted January 16, 2009 From what I gather the homeless are not mentally ill first but degraded by poverty then they stress out and become mentally ill - and I should still be the duty of those in control to forcebly save the lives of the grate sleepers...I agree - for it was those that neglected the poor while they were busy practicing their cooky Darwinistic buisness ventures and becoming so rich they don't know how much money they have...are responsible for the homeless - they created them - That's my point - If you do not take care of of other when you are capable of it - then that dereliction of social and human duty is crimminal. I rest my case...Poverty is inflicted - no person goes out of their way to be poor....Behind every great fortune is a great crime - always....If there are two piles of power (money) in order to get one to the size of a mountain - you have to make the other smaller - that's called theft - we mistakenly call it competition. Point being _ there are others...to avoid taking care of the weak and to weaken them further to turn a profit and then to ultimately abuse the people out of sheer boredom that allows the allure of sadism to set in - debached would be a good word. Quote
Muddy Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 From what I gather the homeless are not mentally ill first but degraded by poverty then they stress out and become mentally ill - and I should still be the duty of those in control to forcebly save the lives of the grate sleepers...I agree - for it was those that neglected the poor while they were busy practicing their cooky Darwinistic buisness ventures and becoming so rich they don't know how much money they have...are responsible for the homeless - they created them - That's my point - If you do not take care of of other when you are capable of it - then that dereliction of social and human duty is crimminal. I rest my case...Poverty is inflicted - no person goes out of their way to be poor....Behind every great fortune is a great crime - always....If there are two piles of power (money) in order to get one to the size of a mountain - you have to make the other smaller - that's called theft - we mistakenly call it competition. Point being _ there are others...to avoid taking care of the weak and to weaken them further to turn a profit and then to ultimately abuse the people out of sheer boredom that allows the allure of sadism to set in - debached would be a good word. Come on! Some of these folks put themselves in this position. The kid who does not want to follow the rules of his parents household! The guy who ruins his life with booze or drugs! The mentally ill. Of course there are the guys who are just plain lazy bums! Stop trying to blame society. I was brought up dirt poor and I never achieved an education past grade six,but that never gave me an excuse to become a bum or a drunk. I educated myself and married encouragement. I own my own business and love life to the fullest. Now people say I am lucky! No luck about it! Just hard work. Quote
Huston Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 Come on! Some of these folks put themselves in this position. The kid who does not want to follow the rules of his parents household! The guy who ruins his life with booze or drugs! The mentally ill. Of course there are the guys who are just plain lazy bums! Stop trying to blame society. I was brought up dirt poor and I never achieved an education past grade six,but that never gave me an excuse to become a bum or a drunk. I educated myself and married encouragement. I own my own business and love life to the fullest. Now people say I am lucky! No luck about it! Just hard work. There is a reason why anecdotal evidence does not hold up. Oh well. You're projecting, and then you ignorantly criticize the homeless, or maybe you just decided to not mention the other things that put people onto the streets. Who is really mentally ill, the one calling people lazy, or the ones receiving it? Soceity is mentally ill, and tries to achieve the stutus quo, some people are not capable of conforming and are torn to shreds at a very early age. Quote
GostHacked Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 Balderdash! Outfits like the Hells Angels have no desire to cover up who and what they are .Thugs of the first order! They depend on fear! Our politicians just lie in some cases or don`t tell the whole truth ,but they don`t rule by fear. trying to compare the two is ridiculous.. These are not the criminals Oleg is referring to, ... I think. And our governments DO rule us in fear. What do you think this whole War on Terror is about? We are told to feel scared and feel threatened and generally, the TV tells us we are not safe and they can attack at any moment. Who do you hear more about terror from? Al-Queda or your generic news outlet which gets its information from the government? Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 (edited) these crazed and delluded crimminals are so far gone they actually believe that they do the right thing and that their behaviour is sane... For that the brave iraqi reporter threw his shoe at him. This was the answer from the silent majority in Iraq. Here is your thank you from the people. I wonder what ever happened to that guy? I think he was punished quite severely. But if so, that act of violence and unforgiveness on the part of leadership, who could have said a word to spare him, that too will be part of the legacy. I think it sums it up quite well. Edited January 28, 2009 by Sir Bandelot Quote
eyeball Posted February 8, 2009 Report Posted February 8, 2009 Come on! Some of these folks put themselves in this position. The kid who does not want to follow the rules of his parents household! The guy who ruins his life with booze or drugs! The mentally ill. Of course there are the guys who are just plain lazy bums! Stop trying to blame society. I was brought up dirt poor and I never achieved an education past grade six,but that never gave me an excuse to become a bum or a drunk. I educated myself and married encouragement. I own my own business and love life to the fullest. Now people say I am lucky! No luck about it! Just hard work. Its disturbing to see just how many still believe that people are responsible for having schizophrenia or any number of other organic and inorganic mental illnesses that can afflict you just as suddenly and just as devestatingly as a bolt of lightning. But you're right, luck's got fuck all to do with anything. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Oleg Bach Posted February 8, 2009 Author Report Posted February 8, 2009 Its disturbing to see just how many still believe that people are responsible for having schizophrenia or any number of other organic and inorganic mental illnesses that can afflict you just as suddenly and just as devestatingly as a bolt of lightning.But you're right, luck's got fuck all to do with anything. The powers that be are so cruel that they and their insidiously all powerful system drive good people insane - so can thrive in captivity and others parish - no man makes himself crazy or poor - it is always done to them. Quote
eyeball Posted February 8, 2009 Report Posted February 8, 2009 The powers that be are so cruel that they and their insidiously all powerful system drive good people insane - so can thrive in captivity and others parish - no man makes himself crazy or poor - it is always done to them. No, not always, sometimes shit just like lightning, happens. Sometimes people also do make themselves poor and they can easily drive themselves crazy. That said its not always paranoid to think the powers that be are doing unspeakable things, I'm quite certain it happens all the time. We all grow up to believe in our institutions. I've only grown more disbelieving as time goes by myself. We trust blindly that the people on top of the heap finacially and politically are good people. Not me. We without thinking believe that justice and fairness really exist..that if we care and love we will be loved and cared for back. If you look at the world with ultimate realism and bravely except the truth, you will come to the cold stark understanding that some how the days of ethics and justice and social freedom really don't exist. Of course they exist, they don't just pop into thin air on their own but c'mon its not quite as stark as you're making it out to be. As much as anything the world is still what we make of it. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Jerome Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 Organized crime is definately on the rise but it can be reversed. There is still good people out there . It is hard to believe but we still outnumber the bad people . So I say let the Vigilante rise, that injustice may fall! Our last president George W. Bush says this at a White House press conference concerning the Vigilante. "Groups of dedicated citizens who band together for a common cause—be it rounding up car thieves or castigating suspicious loiterers—strengthen and reinforce the social order, I've never supported government intrusion in people's lives; I've always put more faith in the private sector. So I say, what the heck! Let's give vigilantism a go and see how things shake out. Why not?" I disagree with Bush on many topics but on this topic he rocks. For more information visit http://www.theonion.com/content/node/31038, or www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2004/03/62650. I myself plan to start a Vigilante group up here in Alaska and what better time then now, in this economic crisis, when hundreds of thousands of people are going to be without homes and pissed off. Quote
tango Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 Organized crime is definately on the rise but it can be reversed. There is still good people out there . It is hard to believe but we still outnumber the bad people . So I say let the Vigilante rise, that injustice may fall!Our last president George W. Bush says this at a White House press conference concerning the Vigilante. "Groups of dedicated citizens who band together for a common cause—be it rounding up car thieves or castigating suspicious loiterers—strengthen and reinforce the social order, I've never supported government intrusion in people's lives; I've always put more faith in the private sector. So I say, what the heck! Let's give vigilantism a go and see how things shake out. Why not?" I disagree with Bush on many topics but on this topic he rocks. For more information visit http://www.theonion.com/content/node/31038, or www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2004/03/62650. I myself plan to start a Vigilante group up here in Alaska and what better time then now, in this economic crisis, when hundreds of thousands of people are going to be without homes and pissed off. Gonna "castigate suspicious loiterers" are you? What makes a loiterer 'suspicious'? Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
Oleg Bach Posted February 13, 2009 Author Report Posted February 13, 2009 Organized crime is definately on the rise but it can be reversed. There is still good people out there . It is hard to believe but we still outnumber the bad people . So I say let the Vigilante rise, that injustice may fall!Our last president George W. Bush says this at a White House press conference concerning the Vigilante. "Groups of dedicated citizens who band together for a common cause—be it rounding up car thieves or castigating suspicious loiterers—strengthen and reinforce the social order, I've never supported government intrusion in people's lives; I've always put more faith in the private sector. So I say, what the heck! Let's give vigilantism a go and see how things shake out. Why not?" I disagree with Bush on many topics but on this topic he rocks. For more information visit http://www.theonion.com/content/node/31038, or www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2004/03/62650. I myself plan to start a Vigilante group up here in Alaska and what better time then now, in this economic crisis, when hundreds of thousands of people are going to be without homes and pissed off. You missed the boat on this one. YOU like most working for the system types actually believe if it is establishment and it's rich and so-called socially respectable that no way in heaven or hell can the behaviour of these high ups can possibley be crimminal - here is an anology - A fine dressed man pulls up in the drive in a top of the line Porche` - He is handsome and rich ----- The family dog growls at him. The kids scowl and lower their bottom lips and hide from the man - YET the stupified parents welcome the guy into the house as if some glorious opportunity and great privledge has arrived on their door step...but under that fine vaneer is the lowest of low crimminals - He is an insider trader that steals from share holders - he quietly imports a ton of cocaine indirectly with government turning a blind eye - into the country ---and he deals in arms on an international level - plus on the side he has a company of mercenaries that keep poor nations fighting amongst each other.....I have just described a crimminal and murdering bastard with a sweet charming non-stop smile -- and you my friend can not tell the bad guys from the good guys. Quote
tango Posted February 16, 2009 Report Posted February 16, 2009 What he said! Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
Oleg Bach Posted February 16, 2009 Author Report Posted February 16, 2009 What he said! It will pass - all orgainizations peak and decline and then the air is clear for a time. Then the whole process driven by greed and power mongering will begin again and take another 50 years to mature and rot. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted February 22, 2009 Report Posted February 22, 2009 Organized crime is definately on the rise but it can be reversed. There is still good people out there . It is hard to believe but we still outnumber the bad people . So I say let the Vigilante rise, that injustice may fall!Our last president George W. Bush says this at a White House press conference concerning the Vigilante. "Groups of dedicated citizens who band together for a common cause—be it rounding up car thieves or castigating suspicious loiterers—strengthen and reinforce the social order, I've never supported government intrusion in people's lives; I've always put more faith in the private sector. So I say, what the heck! Let's give vigilantism a go and see how things shake out. Why not?" I disagree with Bush on many topics but on this topic he rocks. For more information visit http://www.theonion.com/content/node/31038, or www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2004/03/62650. I myself plan to start a Vigilante group up here in Alaska and what better time then now, in this economic crisis, when hundreds of thousands of people are going to be without homes and pissed off. Jerome, I'm not exactly sure what to make of your post. Are you trying to be ironic? You do know that the Onion is satire, right? Do you really think that W said those things? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Oleg Bach Posted February 22, 2009 Author Report Posted February 22, 2009 A group of interconnected corporates take billions in bonus payouts. Same people fire thousands of workers who built the companies - The same people contact the government and want additional billions of tax payer worker money...they take money to "restructure" what does not exist and can not be rebuilt---and so it goes on...sounds like high level orgainized crime to me and not one Italian accent to be heard - that reminds one of what orgainized crime should be in the average mind - ooooh and don't forget that invasion of a sovereign nation to to mention the intrusion into the opium trade to bring democracy to Afghanistan so " a little girl can go to school".. Quote
Pliny Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 Organized crime is definately on the rise but it can be reversed. There is still good people out there . It is hard to believe but we still outnumber the bad people . So I say let the Vigilante rise, that injustice may fall! The rise of vigilanteism is simply a rise in competition with government. It's popularity is only an indicator of the governments failure to deliver justice. Injustice was supposed to fall after the revolution and it did for awhile. Need there be another revolution? Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
Pliny Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 ...I have just described a crimminal and murdering bastard with a sweet charming non-stop smile -- and you my friend can not tell the bad guys from the good guys. Because most of us can't tell the good guys from the bad guys we elect Governments. Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
Oleg Bach Posted March 12, 2009 Author Report Posted March 12, 2009 Because most of us can't tell the good guys from the bad guys we elect Governments. Governments are your public representatives. The govnernment is not supposed to be a security service for private citzens nor a moral barometer for those with no common sense. So it's come to this where not only are we plagued by a moral neutrality, but it's worse than that. We are infected and inflicted with a kind of dull obliviousness. The average person walks around only partly aware of their surroundings - material and human evirons must be studied constantly to keep a bearing on where we are. "Because MOST of us can't tell the good guys from the bad guys we elect Governments." - - - So if you can not tell the difference between good and evil and what is good for you --- How in the world can you elect a good government or maintain it if you have lost all perspective on what is healthy? Quote
Pliny Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 Governments are your public representatives. The govnernment is not supposed to be a security service for private citzens nor a moral barometer for those with no common sense. So it's come to this where not only are we plagued by a moral neutrality, but it's worse than that. We are infected and inflicted with a kind of dull obliviousness. The average person walks around only partly aware of their surroundings - material and human evirons must be studied constantly to keep a bearing on where we are. "Because MOST of us can't tell the good guys from the bad guys we elect Governments." - - - So if you can not tell the difference between good and evil and what is good for you --- How in the world can you elect a good government or maintain it if you have lost all perspective on what is healthy? The end is that you won't be expected to elect a government. You might like to read the address of Brock Chisholm, first Director General of the World Health Organization, to the United Nations, where he makes the profound statement: "The re-interpretation and eventually eradication of the concept of right and wrong which has been the basis of child training... these are the belated objectives of practically all effective psychotherapy." http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/globalism/chisholm.htm We are gradually all being declared mentally defective and the medical professions end of "eradication of the concept of right and wrong" may soon be realized. It won't because we aren't all that stupid but they sure like to make it difficult for some of us. Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
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