Canadian Political Polls

[jdobbin]

Whoa, dobbin, I thought that Mr. Ignotieff was to be the answer to your liberal prayers. What happened?

I remember people here saying that once Ignotieff got in the Liberal Leadership he would cruise to an easy victory and maybe majority...what happened?

Who said that? Me? I've been saying all along and still expect that the Tories will win the next election. I just don't think I have seen any indication they will win a majority.

You finally realizing that Toronto doesn't run the country anymore and never will the rest of us be held hostage by the will of Toronto?

And I thought it was Quebec you disliked.

[punked]

Who said that? Me? I've been saying all along and still expect that the Tories will win the next election. I just don't think I have seen any indication they will win a majority.

With the Bloc no one can win a majority here is the question do you expect the Liberals to break 100 seats?

[jdobbin]

Dobbin What happened to Harper telling the people of the North they were shitty arseholes but misplacing an u in a word? What happened to the NDP convention being nothing? I mean honestly you push all this pro Liberal news you expect them to stay somewhere in the news. Iggy is losing this thing, not only that but I hear his whole inner circle is from the 416, you guys don't need the T.O. you have that get some people from outside.

I should remind you this poll doesn't exactly give the NDP a huge boost.

I said at the beginning of summer I expected Tory fortunes to rise. Just as they rise every summer. Just as they used to rise for the Liberals in the summer.

Or do you disagree that Parliament is a great equalizer in that the Opposition gets daily national media exposure and people back from holidays are more interested and focused on what is going on?

[jdobbin]

With the Bloc no one can win a majority here is the question do you expect the Liberals to break 100 seats?

If an election were held today, I think that the Liberals can win 20 to 25 more seats. So yes, I think 100 is possible.

Do you think the NDP will win a 100 seats or surpass the Liberals and the BQ to become Official Opposition?

[Mr.Canada]

And I thought it was Quebec you disliked.

No Quebec is showing the rest of Canada the way by banning head coverings in public. I'd live in Quebec in a heartbeat if my French was up to snuff and I didn't have so much business here in Ontario Quebec is my kind of place.

[punked]

If an election were held today, I think that the Liberals can win 20 to 25 more seats. So yes, I think 100 is possible.

Do you think the NDP will win a 100 seats or surpass the Liberals and the BQ to become Official Opposition?

I have never made that claim but if Iggy keeps Dion this thing but to the right I think the NDP can pick up 4% and beat the Liberals in the popular vote. Ouch!

[jdobbin]

No Quebec is showing the rest of Canada the way by banning head coverings in public. I'd live in Quebec in a heartbeat if my French was up to snuff and I didn't have so much business here in Ontario Quebec is my kind of place.

They aren't very religious there. It might be hard for you to live in a place with the highest abortion rate, suicide rate and unmarried couples.

[jdobbin]

I have never made that claim but if Iggy keeps Dion this thing but to the right I think the NDP can pick up 4% and beat the Liberals in the popular vote. Ouch!

I don't know that there is a Liberal leader you would like. If Jesus Christ was the leader you would complain about the long hair, beard and mustache.

[punked]

They aren't very religious there. It might be hard for you to live in a place with the highest abortion rate, suicide rate and unmarried couples.

Outside of Montreal that isn't as true though. Plus they are Catholic like Mr. Canada claims he is.

[punked]

I don't know that there is a Liberal leader you would like. If Jesus Christ was the leader you would complain about the long hair, beard and mustache.

That isn't true I have voted Liberal in the past only to have them to break every promise I voted them in for.

[jdobbin]

Outside of Montreal that isn't as true though. Plus they are Catholic like Mr. Canada claims he is.

Actually, that is true all over Quebec. Read the recent Globe and Mail article on it. It is an eye opener.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinio...article1252792/

According to a 2008 Léger Marketing poll, the proportion of Quebec's nearly six million Catholics who attend mass weekly now stands at 6 per cent, the lowest of any Western society. But therein lies the paradox. That more than 80 per cent of Quebeckers still declare themselves Catholics, according to the 2001 census, the most recent to survey religious affiliation, suggests an attachment to the faith. If not a spiritual one, at least a cultural one.

Quebecers are really only Catholic in name at the moment.

[jdobbin]

That isn't true I have voted Liberal in the past only to have them to break every promise I voted them in for.

So there is someone in the Liberal party you would vote for?

[Mr.Canada]

So there is someone in the Liberal party you would vote for?

Has something happened since I was last here. Has punked been reformed from a Liberal to a Tory? Has he finally seen the light?

Edited August 24, 2009 by Mr.Canada

[punked]

So there is someone in the Liberal party you would vote for?

Do you guys have someone who wont tell me they are a human rights activist then in the next breath tell me how much he loves torture?

[jdobbin]

Do you guys have someone who wont tell me they are a human rights activist then in the next breath tell me how much he loves torture?

So you only vote for leaders who love torture and who don't claim to be human rights activists?

[punked]

So you only vote for leaders who love torture and who don't claim to be human rights activists?

I do like to vote for people who don't lie to my face. Something about me I like to know what I am getting.

[jdobbin]

I do like to vote for people who don't lie to my face. Something about me I like to know what I am getting.

It is why I question you on this whole idea that Ignatieff supports torture. As far as I'm concerned, it is a lie. If the NDP goes this route in the election, it is possible it will blow-up in their faces.

[Malaclypse the Younger]

It's not quite clear to me what you're jabbering on there about Macopalypse (in a thread about polls no less) but then the phrase "positive social change" caught my eye.

Who says a change is positive and why this desire to involve the rest of us? What gives you the right? Are you Mussolini?

Try reading the post, and maybe then you'll understand. I don't think I was very unclear. If you have a problem with reading comprehension, I can't help you.

[punked]

It is why I question you on this whole idea that Ignatieff supports torture. As far as I'm concerned, it is a lie. If the NDP goes this route in the election, it is possible it will blow-up in their faces.

It would great if it is a lie however I posted here numerous times from Ignatieffs book, articles, the review from HIS editor, HIS publisher, and outside sources that was arguing for torture just as he argued for the War in Iraq and you chose to ignore them. I like someone who wont say something in one breath and then something else in another. I just wish he would take a stand on an issue. How much you wanna bet he waffles on EI Dobbin?

[Malaclypse the Younger]

No Quebec is showing the rest of Canada the way by banning head coverings in public. I'd live in Quebec in a heartbeat if my French was up to snuff and I didn't have so much business here in Ontario Quebec is my kind of place.

Are you saying it's now illegal to wear a hat in Quebec?

What kind of crazy ridiculous shenanigans will they come up with next...

[jdobbin]

It would great if it is a lie however I posted here numerous times from Ignatieffs book, articles, the review from HIS editor, HIS publisher, and outside sources that was arguing for torture just as he argued for the War in Iraq and you chose to ignore them. I like someone who wont say something in one breath and then something else in another. I just wish he would take a stand on an issue. How much you wanna bet he waffles on EI Dobbin?

I challenged you on all you posted and I just didn't see it. By all mean, try it in an election. Go super negative. There was no line that you posted anywhere that said he supported torture.

How much do you think Layton will waffle on Darfur?

[punked]

I challenged you on all you posted and I just didn't see it. By all mean, try it in an election. Go super negative. There was no line that you posted anywhere that said he supported torture.

How much do you think Layton will waffle on Darfur?

From his publisher

"Ignatieff argues that we must not shrink from the use of violence--that far from undermining liberal democracy, force can be necessary for its survival. But its use must be measured, not a program of torture and revenge. And we must not fool ourselves that whatever we do in the name of freedom and democracy is good. We may need to kill to fight the greater evil of terrorism, but we must never pretend that doing so is anything better than a lesser evil."

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/7578.html

My question has always been how you know you are preventing evil? Mr. Ignatieff has argued it is justified if it prevents evil, what does that mean does that mean the failed war in Iraq he supported? Does that mean the failed interrogation techniques he supported? Honestly if this what he believes he can count me out.

Ohhhh yah and will Ignatieff stick to EI Dobbin or will be another Liberal lie?

Edited August 24, 2009 by punked

[jdobbin]

"Ignatieff argues that we must not shrink from the use of violence--that far from undermining liberal democracy, force can be necessary for its survival. But its use must be measured, not a program of torture and revenge. And we must not fool ourselves that whatever we do in the name of freedom and democracy is good. We may need to kill to fight the greater evil of terrorism, but we must never pretend that doing so is anything better than a lesser evil."

That quote says he doesn't support torture.

Edited August 24, 2009 by jdobbin

[punked]

That quote says he doesn't support torture,

Nope it says he does not support "a program of torture." Just like Bush and Obama. I support no torture because it is useless, crewel, and wrong under so many international standards. Igantieff is ready to sell this countries morals out right I am not.

[Keepitsimple]

That quote says he doesn't support torture,

Dobbin....do you believe what Mr. Ignatieff said in that quote? Try and give me a yes or a no...because he is very clear in his statement.