The Anti-Immigration Sentiment

[CANADIEN]

I have just lost some braincells...

You had some to lose.

[whowhere]

Believe me, NO job will ever match your education.

And many people here are more than happy to give it to you.

Nope... still sore from laughing too much at your imbecility.

Personal experience no doubt :lol:

Who's the forum whiner and holds Grudges: Canadien!! Shoe fits where it.

[CANADIEN]

Who's the forum whiner and holds Grudges: Canadien!! Shoe fits where it.

You think I hold a grudge against you? For that, I would need to take you seriously.

[whowhere]

You think I hold a grudge against you? For that, I would need to take you seriously.

I am not saying me per say but against Maybe the French of Quebec or the English. Who knows but you and who cares except when you drivel and cry all over the forum board about what exactly??!!??

[CANADIEN]

I am not saying me per say but against Maybe the French of Quebec or the English. Who knows but you and who cares except when you drivel and cry all over the forum board about what exactly??!!??

:lol:

Once, I was a pro-English revisionist, now I hold a grudge against the English. Yeah right.

Edited January 11, 2009 by CANADIEN

[whowhere]

:lol:

Once, I was a pro-English revisionist, now I hold a grudge against the English. Yeah right.

Oh so you are saying you are an English revisionist. Produce the English alphabet so I can understand what English is exactly. Also Produce only English words as well. That will be tough given English has adapted to include and use other words from alot of the other so called European shit apple Languages.

[blueblood]

You had some to lose.

after reading that post I had some lost, yes.

[gordiecanuk]

Anti immigration is a sure fire sign of insecurity.

[CANADIEN]

Oh so you are saying you are an English revisionist. Produce the English alphabet so I can understand what English is exactly. Also Produce only English words as well. That will be tough given English has adapted to include and use other words from alot of the other so called European shit apple Languages.

:lol: Actually, I was reminding YOU that you once called me an English revisionist and that now you say that I have a grudge against English people.

So now, I suppose English is not a language either? Whatever.

[whowhere]

Anti immigration is a sure fire sign of insecurity.

exploiting immigrants by lying to them and paying them less shows shows what you are about. Using immigrants to as a tool to drive working conditions is equally horrendous. What can be said those are American/Canadian values.

The difference immigrants whine about everything rather than suck it up. The fact is immigrants do in fact drive down wages and working conditions because they settle and accept less. I know how the Canada employer operates, cheating and exploiting is their business. Business is not built because of talent and good business practices but built on greed.

Why is North American Economy suffering?? Simply because the fraud is over. They can no longer steel their revenue from loans they had no intention of paying back. What Canada and the US has is a culture of corruption and immigrants are tool to their vanity.

[whowhere]

:lol: Actually, I was reminding YOU that you once called me an English revisionist and that now you say that I have a grudge against English people.

So now, I suppose English is not a language either? Whatever.

Produce the english alphabet!!

[CANADIEN]

Produce the english alphabet!!

I'd ask you to produce a proof that English is not a language, but I for one have laughed enough already.

[Argus]

Immigrant failure sure explains why mutilingual doctors are driving cabs. And it sure explains all those white Canadian-borns and bred who can't put a coherent sentence together in either English or French even with a high school or university degree. Or get promoted at work despite a clear lack of sufficient skills while immgrants with better skills and education get shafts to the lower ranks... Or those who will grap at any straw in futile efforts to put a veneer of logic to their prejudice...

I so like it when a poster is so wrapped up in his own prejudices, so completely incapable of even recognizing a fact when he sees it contradicts his ideological world view, that he'll respond to posts which give factual, statistical data with a ludicrous accusatory diatribe which utterly ignores all the facts under discussion.

It makes me look so good, by comparison.

Edited January 12, 2009 by Argus

[trooper]

It makes me look so good, by comparison.

So... You do agree that when that comparison is removed, you look bad.

QED.

[CANADIEN]

I so like it when a poster is so wrapped up in his own prejudices

You must, since prejudice hiding behind a slanted look at facts is a regular feature of your postings.

Don't worry. I am well aware that there are immigrants to this country woefully unqualified to the jobs they get, or too slow at getting the education and the English or French language skills they need. But I don't see the world through glasses colored by anti-immigrant prejudice. There ARE also Canadian born-and-bread people woefully unqualified for the jobs they occupy, or who cannot express themselves in a cohesive manner even after a high shcool or university diploma. Are you gonna deny it?

Edited January 12, 2009 by CANADIEN

[Argus]

You come to this thread late, don't know what you are arguing against, cherry pick your statistics and quotes

In all likelihood I've been discussing immigration issues a lot longer than you've been in this country. I certainly do know what I'mt alking about.

That's what I've been saying. Even the politicians (including the minister who oversees immigration) agree there's a huge problem of under-employment and English has nothing to do with it.

If the minister says that, the minister is playing political games. The lack of coherent English is clearly a major factor in the lack of success of immigrants. It certainly is where I work.

It's just that the immigration system is messed up

We can certainly agree on that. We ought to be processing far fewer immigrants and refugees, and doing it faster, with more of an eye to their employability.

. The government and immigration council brings in people by showcasing artificial statistics and "demand" that just isn't there to these immigrants.

You make it sound like the government drags people off the streets of Bombay and Tripoli rather than it sifting through a deluge of desperate, frantic applicants who want in at any cost. Yes, I certainly agree that when it comes to assesing job demand the government sucks.

These same folks are readily hired in the US. Why aren't they going there? Obviously because they got conned into the "permanent residency" scheme here while they have to work in the US for quite a while to get the 'green card' which is equivalent to our permanent residency.

If you're suggesting we should make it much more difficult to come here then I agree wholeheartedly.

I have no problem arguing with you and losing on the argument if the immigrants were really low on education and if the points system was really a scam. But the truth is that the immigrants ARE finding work elsewhere and the accreditation system in the US is FAR better and fair. A doctor who is highly regarded in their countries doesn't come here to take welfare. Same with an engineer or any skilled worker. You of all should know that.

I remember reading once that, in general, doctors in the Soviet Union had insufficient knowledge, skill and training, to be a nurse in Canada. The level of training for 'doctors' throughout the world varies considerably, and I don't find it surprising that they, and other professionals like engineers, have difficulty getting acredited in Canada. I would certainly like to see the process speeded up, but not at the expense of simply accepting documentation from home countries (given the nature of many of our source countries) without considerable oversight. I don't think there are many doctors on welfare here, though.

Even majority of the immigrants I met agree that the current immigration system must be reformed and be standardized like the US, but the stupid politicians won't do that for no other reason but for $$$

The US is more careful about who it lets in, and takes in a far smaller percentage of people than Canada does. Canada accepts more immigrants as a percentage of its population than anywhere on Earth.

[Argus]

Two things....

1) I wonder where the Canadian men and women who goof off all day in your office get mentioned?

They certainly exist, but they're a distinct "minority".

2) I thought you said everyone in civil service was working hard and no one needs to be fired? So then the bureaucracy does in fact keep everyone in a job. I figured as much.

Can you find a cite where I said this? I figured as much.

[Argus]

You had some to lose.

If only you could say the same.

[Argus]

You must, since prejudice hiding behind a slanted look at facts is a regular feature of your postings.

Slanted look at facts? Show me where I have slanted anything. For that matter, show me where you have even given a cursory examination or even bothered to address any fact.

But then, you're not really here to discuss immigration. That would imply the intellectual ability to defend your side of the discussion. Lacking that, you'll simply read the facts and statistics and arguments posted by others, fume about your ignorance and poor communication skills, and then launch personal attacks on people who post information you don't like.

[Michael Hardner]

Hi Argus,

I have debated you enough on this topic to know that you are one of the best prepared posters on this topic, as such I will ask you for a cite on this:

The US is more careful about who it lets in, and takes in a far smaller percentage of people than Canada does. Canada accepts more immigrants as a percentage of its population than anywhere on Earth.

[guyser]

You ask a question, then answer it right away...Hmm

Can you find a cite where I said this? I figured as much.

Did you use those words? No, but you sure implied it.

"Dear Iggy, This is Not a Year for an Election, Harper created this mess so should wear it for awhile"

Go there.

[whowhere]

Canada accepts more immigrants as a percentage of its population than anywhere on Earth.

That is because Canada has no language, no culture, no history, no values, and I guess we can also add impetitent. Canada hates life so much and hates its people so much that it wants to destroy Canada. I am sure Canada was a good Country once upon a time but that goodness left in 1982 by the Liberals and sealed by the conservatives with their self serving spending practices.

The fact is, Canada is not a Good Country. Good Countries do not rely on resource wealth to get by. They have diversified their economies and are inovative. That is not the Canada we have now. Canada is nothing more than vehicle to exploit immigrants to serve trough feeding politicians and bureacrats.

How did they get away with this flagrant abuse of Canada??

[CANADIEN]

If only you could say the same.

This coming from the man who once suggested re-instating slavery.

[CANADIEN]

Slanted look at facts? Show me where I have slanted anything. For that matter, show me where you have even given a cursory examination or even bothered to address any fact.

But then, you're not really here to discuss immigration. That would imply the intellectual ability to defend your side of the discussion. Lacking that, you'll simply read the facts and statistics and arguments posted by others, fume about your ignorance and poor communication skills, and then launch personal attacks on people who post information you don't like.

I forgot... Pointing the FACT that there more than just a few Canadian-born people who are grossly unqualified for the job they occupy or who can't use French or English properly even when armed with university degrees do not jive with your anti-iimmigrant bias. You don't like it, so it no surprise that you won't even address it.

I'd love to keep laughing at the way you attack those whose opinions you don't like (I am surprised you haven't told me to get a job yet). But this is not about you. it is about this evident FACT...

Generation after generation, this great country of ours has been built to a large extent by immigrants.... Including people whose skills, knowledge of this country, or knowledge of its languages was far from being the best. Some failed, many more persevered. Their children went further. And we have one of the best countries in the world. This continues today, and I for one am proud that it is so.

Were there, and are there immigrants who should not be here?Certainly. Is integrating immigrants in our society a walk in the park? Nope. But I say, and will keep saying from my own experience with friends, co-workers, clients, and other people who immigrated here that things are a far cry that what anti-immigrants describe.

Arguing that our immigration system has flaws is legitimate (I for one would like a refugee status evaluation process that is fair and FAST). But when I see anti-immigrant opinions, I'll call it as it is.

PS: Before you come saying that I ignore your numbers... My problem is not with the numbers; I'd say it if I thought they were wrong. It's with the way they're ysed to promote anti-immigrant bias.

Edited January 13, 2009 by CANADIEN

[416wanting506]

I've been lurking on this board for a while now but haven't posted yet, but as I was browsing some of the older threads I really can't for the life of me understand the anti-immigrant sentiment on here. It's quite extraordinary. I've been to the US, and I've not seen this in most states other than illegal immigrants.as

What's with quite a few Canadians trying to impose their hatred for anything different? By distancing yourself from an immigrant, you are fostering more hatred and isolation from the group.

Immigrants also struggle (often more than others) to make their mark. They are often looked down upon by employers as someone who can't speak good English even though they usually do. They are often paid lower wages than others and their degrees that they worked for many years in their countries here contrary to the US are worthless. I find the attitude of "they are stealing our jobs" as insulting and pathetic.

The Canadian government promises all kinds of things, says that there is a shortage of skilled professionals i.e. Doctors, brings doctors who eagerly immigrate here but they end up having to start from scratch or studying for 3-4 more years. If that's the case, why advertise for them in the first place?

It was shown in a recent research that only 7% of all the welfare recipients in Canada are immigrants (mostly refugees) yet the attitude is as if most of the immigrants are leeching off of the system. I ask why is that?

If the Conservative party is looking for a majority status, the immigrant vote is quite crucial, yet, I see many self-professed conservatives (especially the older generation) quite anti-immigrant and talk as if the immigrants are not as patriotic as them. This is the same to some in the leftwing as well.

So I ask to those who are anti-immigrant here to speak up your arguments.

I wouldn't take these boards as representative of Canadians. My experience says the least educated and most ignorant spam internet forums. Afterall, unlike other public venues, the internet only requires a $10/mo connection and no credentials.

Other than a few rednecks I'm related to via in-law, I don't know anyone that feels negatively towards immigrants. In fact, most seem to recognise the incredible dependence the Canadian economy has on them.