Ontario Loyalist Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 As I said before, make Israel a state, the president a governor, and became the newest state in the US. Aren't most of the Jewish people live in the US and Israel? Hamas, will deal with the US and not Israel and maybe a more peaceful solution. Ah, yes, even the mayor of New York feels that he has to go over to Israel as a show of support. since when is a mayor of a major city supposed to serve as ambassador for an ethnic/religious group? Quote Some of us on here appreciate a view OTHER than the standard conservative crap. Keep up the good work and heck, they have not banned me yet so you are safe Cheers! Drea
Ontario Loyalist Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 My sons were collecting quarters from all the States. I was waiting for the Ontario quarter. And the Israel one, too, I suppose... Quote Some of us on here appreciate a view OTHER than the standard conservative crap. Keep up the good work and heck, they have not banned me yet so you are safe Cheers! Drea
jbg Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 Ah, yes, even the mayor of New York feels that he has to go over to Israel as a show of support. since when is a mayor of a major city supposed to serve as ambassador for an ethnic/religious group?When the major city has perhaps the largest Jewish population of any city in the world...? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Moonlight Graham Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 Because you didn't say please.That's the funniest part of all. What's a matta...don't like criticism? You can dish it out but not take "my crap"? No the funniest part is that you claim Canada irrelevant, and yet you post on a Canadian message board. If we are so irrelevent, why post here? Why not post on a Fiji message board? Or a Trinidad and Tebago message board. Obviously you secretly think we're awesome and hide it under a passive-aggressive veil of neo-con jibberish. You'll never admit it, but thank you we love you too! Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 No the funniest part is that you claim Canada irrelevant, and yet you post on a Canadian message board. If we are so irrelevent, why post here? Why not post on a Fiji message board? Or a Trinidad and Tebago message board. Because I like to read your whining for entertainment. Obviously you secretly think we're awesome and hide it under a passive-aggressive veil of neo-con jibberish. You'll never admit it, but thank you we love you too! Yeah...that's it! Canada is "secretly" a major power broker in Mideast......hockey. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
tamtam10 Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Posted January 4, 2009 If the US stopped sending Billions to Israel every year in cash and military equipment Israel would be gone in less than a year. What about if Israel stopped exporting its technology to the US and the rest of the world for that matter? What if Israel never exported cellphone technology, computer chip technology, or any of its breakthrough's in medicine (I can keep going for a very, very long time). Half the world would be gone in less than a year. Quote www.informedvote.ca
jbg Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 What about if Israel stopped exporting its technology to the US and the rest of the world for that matter? What if Israel never exported cellphone technology, computer chip technology, or any of its breakthrough's in medicine (I can keep going for a very, very long time). Half the world would be gone in less than a year.Well, the Palestinians could export their technology; inventive ways of killing people. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
punked Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 What about if Israel stopped exporting its technology to the US and the rest of the world for that matter? What if Israel never exported cellphone technology, computer chip technology, or any of its breakthrough's in medicine (I can keep going for a very, very long time). Half the world would be gone in less than a year. Israel is the leader in Anti Terror that is it. Everything else we can live with out. You seem a bit delusional with your ideas of Israeli grandeur. Quote
Ontario Loyalist Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 When the major city has perhaps the largest Jewish population of any city in the world...? So what? It's an American city. The people who reside there are Americans (supposedly). And are you suggesting that Jews who live outside of Israel actually dual-allegiance (or, perhaps, non-allegiance to the country of residence)??? Quote Some of us on here appreciate a view OTHER than the standard conservative crap. Keep up the good work and heck, they have not banned me yet so you are safe Cheers! Drea
Ontario Loyalist Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 Well, the Palestinians could export their technology; inventive ways of killing people. Well, these people learned terrorist tactics from the British--the same place Jews learned them, and used them as part as the campaign to force the creation of a Jewish state. Anyway you want to look at it, Jews did (and still do) use terrorist tactics to push their agenda. Quote Some of us on here appreciate a view OTHER than the standard conservative crap. Keep up the good work and heck, they have not banned me yet so you are safe Cheers! Drea
punked Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 So what? It's an American city. The people who reside there are Americans (supposedly). And are you suggesting that Jews who live outside of Israel actually dual-allegiance (or, perhaps, non-allegiance to the country of residence)??? Every Jew has an Israeli citizenship if they want it. Most outside of Israel have family inside. Are you saying if your Mom lived in France you would not care about the in workings of France? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 Every Jew has an Israeli citizenship if they want it. This is not entirely true under current court rulings for the Law of Return. Specifically, Jews who practice another religion are not so entitled. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 This is not entirely true under current court rulings for the Law of Return. Specifically, Jews who practice another religion are not so entitled. OK I agree but if you have another religion you aren't really a Jew are you? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 OK I agree but if you have another religion you aren't really a Jew are you? Nonstarter...see matrilineal descent. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 (edited) Nonstarter...see matrilineal descent. This is not true of a Religion though. Regardless we agree on this can't we just be happy. Edited January 4, 2009 by punked Quote
Ontario Loyalist Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 Every Jew has an Israeli citizenship if they want it. Most outside of Israel have family inside. Are you saying if your Mom lived in France you would not care about the in workings of France? The analogy between France and Israel is useless. The French are not a race-cum-religion, for one thing... Quote Some of us on here appreciate a view OTHER than the standard conservative crap. Keep up the good work and heck, they have not banned me yet so you are safe Cheers! Drea
tango Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 QUOTE(Ontario Loyalist @ Jan 2 2009, 09:21 PM) * Why do you think that they are less entitled to land than Israel is. Israel was, after all, created in 1948... Right...Israel has more international legitimacy than Canada or the United States. That's an interesting perspective. Britain created Israel ... and Canada too ... in both cases without sufficient regard for the existing populations in those areas. Populations displaced by holocausts - Scots from the clearances, Irish from the famine, Jews from the Nazis - sent to populate other lands to become conduits for the resource wealth. Could there possibly be a connection here to mideast OIL resources? The complexity just never ends ... but it always comes full circle. I have no difficulty casting a judgment in the present circumstances, though. Non Jews in Israel are discriminated against. Palestinians in Gaza do not want to live in a Jewish state and be discriminated against. They want their own state. And Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza. The fact is ... the elected Hamas government of Gaza does not control the dissident rocket-launchers, some or all of whom are likely 'agentes provocateurs' (Israeli? American? British?). And the fact is Israel uses feeble rockets as excuses for all out war against Palestinian civilians. It's indefensible aggression by Israel, imo. http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/t...de-of-the-story Canada can take a stand. I think it has some effect. I also think it's time we should be sending assistance to protect the people of Gaza. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 (edited) And Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza. Israel is not committing genocide in Gaza, a term so often abused it ceases to have any meaning. The fact is ... the elected Hamas government of Gaza does not control the dissident rocket-launchers, some or all of whom are likely 'agentes provocateurs' (Israeli? American? British?). Then by such logic, Canada is committing genocide in Afghanistan, yet Canada was never even attacked. And the fact is Israel uses feeble rockets as excuses for all out war against Palestinian civilians. It's indefensible aggression by Israel, imo. Then Caledonia should begin launching rockets at Hamilton today! Canada can take a stand. I think it has some effect. I also think it's time we should be sending assistance to protect the people of Gaza. Sure....fairytales for the masses even as Canada's depleted uranium finds it's way to Israeli weapons systems. But I understand that such pablum has been spooned out for years....why stop now? Edited January 4, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 I have no difficulty casting a judgment in the present circumstances, though. Non Jews in Israel are discriminated against. Palestinians in Gaza do not want to live in a Jewish state and be discriminated against. They want their own state.I see. The residents of Gaza are well-treated by their government. The siphoning of aid is not somehow discriminatory? How much aid to the Palestinian Authority and now Hamas has gone down the proverbial rathole, or been used for weapons' purchases? Any idea?And Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza.Fighting brutal random attacks is genocide?The fact is ... the elected Hamas government of Gaza does not control the dissident rocket-launchers, some or all of whom are likely 'agentes provocateurs' (Israeli? American? British?).If they control the rocket-launchers Hamas is responsible; if they don't they're irresponsible.And the fact is Israel uses feeble rockets as excuses for all out war against Palestinian civilians. It's indefensible aggression by Israel, imo.Why should the people of Sderot, Ashkelon, Beersheba and Ashdod have to put up with senseless slaughter?Canada can take a stand. I think it has some effect. I also think it's time we should be sending assistance to protect the people of Gaza.Yes, from Hamas. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Ontario Loyalist Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 QUOTE(Ontario Loyalist @ Jan 2 2009, 09:21 PM) *Why do you think that they are less entitled to land than Israel is. Israel was, after all, created in 1948... That's an interesting perspective. Britain created Israel ... and Canada too ... in both cases without sufficient regard for the existing populations in those areas. Well, no, the situations are quite different. Figures that you would make this sort of tenuous connection, and that you would take sides in this issue as well--with islamic terrorist organizations. Quote Some of us on here appreciate a view OTHER than the standard conservative crap. Keep up the good work and heck, they have not banned me yet so you are safe Cheers! Drea
JB Globe Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 Canada really needs to take action by rallying other countries to support Israel. The world can not turn its back when a terrorist organization attacks a sovereign state. Why should Canada support a plan that won't work and will kill a thousand or more people in the process? Explain that one to me. Quote
madmax Posted January 6, 2009 Report Posted January 6, 2009 Aid Appeal - MP calls for Gaza ceasefire 6:43pm 1/5/2009 It may be half a world away - but the conflict in Gaza hasn't gone unnoticed by one Local MP. Westlock-St. Paul MP Brian Storseth is echoing the federal government's call for Israel and Hamas to agree to an immediate ceasefire. But where the government says Hamas must first end their attacks on Israeli civillians, Storseth has gone one step beyond the Government's official line saying Israel must also end their Eighteen month long Blockade of Gaza. Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 6, 2009 Report Posted January 6, 2009 I think Canada should demand from Israel a complete and total ceasefire and withdrawal from Gaza the moment Hamas surrenders or is destroyed. Then they should negotiate with Egypt to see if they would be willing to turn the Gaza into a protectorate and guarantee the peace. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 6, 2009 Report Posted January 6, 2009 I think Canada should demand from Israel a complete and total ceasefire and withdrawal from Gaza the moment Hamas surrenders or is destroyed. ...and I think Israel should tell Canada to go to hell at such a request. Only Israel knows what's best for Israel. Then they should negotiate with Egypt to see if they would be willing to turn the Gaza into a protectorate and guarantee the peace. Oh great...how many billions is Canada willing to spend for the next 100 years? Or do you think....damn..where is my wallet! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
LesterDC Posted January 6, 2009 Report Posted January 6, 2009 ...and I think Israel should tell Canada to go to hell at such a request. Only Israel knows what's best for Israel. Maybe, but the global community will know what is best for the global community. I am sure that Canada will not be the only country with that kind of attitude Quote
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