Tory MP Rod Brinooge abortion bill

Mr.Canada · January 2, 2009

I am a poor white socialist -- okey dokey
What is less expensive?

A 15 minute procedure at the clinic

or

Raising a child to adulthood.

(trick question, you better put on your thinking cap!)

Bulltweet, Mr. Canada. You're not against abortion because it may come out of your taxes. You are against it because only "skanks" and "loose women" have sex without a husband. And those filthy dirty whores deserve to suffer as much as possible -- "those nasty sexual sinning whores -- make 'em pay!" says Mr. Canada.

pfft.

I don't like you anymore.

Drea, that's not at all what I'm saying, c'mon gimme a break.

People are having sex without being responsible and expecting everyone else to feel sorry for them and pay thousands of dollars for each abortion cause they cannot bothered to be responsible for themselves.

Have the child, give it up for adoption. That should teach them a lesson for the next time they decide to be irresponsible.

However, you do not have and never will have the right to impose your will on another adult. Nor will I. The universe is unfolding as it should.

So by your logic we should repeal murder and rape as well since that law would impose my will on another adult.

That line of thought doesn't work. Look at most of Drea's postings, she argues pretty well.

Edited January 2, 2009 by Mr.Canada

Drea · January 2, 2009

"Teach them a lesson"

So you DO beleive that women should be punished for having sex.

As I've said before, I am not a victim and women who act like victims of their own irresponsibility piss me off.

"I got pregnant! Wahhhh, everybody has to take care of me!" Ain't gonna wash in my world.

And what punishment for the male? If the woman is forced to carry to term and give it up for adoption as punishment, what punishment shall we dole out to the male part of the equation?

Choosing to abort is not an easy decision for any woman.

Ok it was easy for me, but then I'm a nasty, cold, heartless skank who loves sex for the sake of it, consequences be damned. :lol:

Mr.Canada · January 2, 2009

"Teach them a lesson"
So you DO beleive that women should be punished for having sex.

Not at all. We need tot each young women to not use sex as a weapon and it's not fun, nor cool to give all the boys bj's in the stairwells of high school.

As I've said before, I am not a victim and women who act like victims of their own irresponsibility piss me off.
"I got pregnant! Wahhhh, everybody has to take care of me!" Ain't gonna wash in my world.

Full agreement here.

And what punishment for the male? If the woman is forced to carry to term and give it up for adoption as punishment, what punishment shall we dole out to the male part of the equation?

That's a tough question but you're right both of the people need to take responsibility as it takes 2 to do the crime, they should both do the time. Perhaps counselling would help. I still feel that they should cover this in school but all lessons start in the home with effective parenting imo.

Choosing to abort is not an easy decision for any woman.

No, I wouldn't imagine that it would be for some girls who have some sort of values it should be a hard choice to make. I think more couselling should be involved before it is allowed to go forward. I don't know what the answer is but this abortion on demand cannot be the answer, there has to be something better.

Ok it was easy for me, but then I'm a nasty, cold, heartless skank who loves sex for the sake of it, consequences be damned.

LMAO

jdobbin · January 2, 2009

I am for abolishing abortion as it is now, abortion on demand gone. Abortion only for cases of rape, incest or possible Mother death. Understand?

So you are a selective murderer then.

Admit it. You are guilty of murder with that attitude.

Edited January 2, 2009 by jdobbin

Renegade · January 2, 2009

If they want to have abortions and freedom then pay for them yourselves and stop asking me to fund them. If it's really about choice then I should get a choice of whether or not I want to fund them right?

I agree that people should pay for their own procedures, but that's not really the issue being proposed is it? The question is the crimminality of abortion, not the funding. So would you be ok with abortion if a women payed for it herself?

Truth is the people who want abortions cannot afford to pay for them for the most part. Poor, white socialists get the majority of abortions.

Even if it were true, what does that have to do with the position you have taken (ie that abortion is murder)?

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I see you avoided answering the straightforward questions I put to you. Perhaps you didn't answer because you can't.

Edited January 2, 2009 by Renegade

WIP · January 2, 2009

If human life doesn't start at conception then when does it start and why?

I've already given my answer on other abortion threads that you've started; if you won't respond there, why should I bother pasting my answer over here?

EDIT- Any guy that picks up some random chick and bangs her but doesn't wrap it is an idiot. If shes willing to sleep with you on the first night shes done it before and is loose. These girls are to be regulated to fellatio duty or they can hit the road. If more people thought like this there'd be much less pregnancies and STD's.

You'll have to clue me in on what this has to do with the abortion debate.....in the meantime I can't wait to read how you get your head handed to you for telling us how to regulate girls in the next few pages....I can't wait to read the explanation for this.

WIP · January 2, 2009

When brain activity is present, in my view. Just as it is in death.
Now why won't the pro-lifer answer me on that? I have asked you before.

And now that the population is aging, I'm more concerned about getting a rational set of guidelines for determining human life where it regards quality of life issues when we're getting close to checkout time, than I am with trying to get a final resolution of the abortion debate.

WIP · January 2, 2009

Wow, that's pretty cold blooded. I thought socialists were supposed to be bleeding hearts and all that? So to jdobbin when a pregnant women is murdered and she loses her baby the babies life doesn't count and isn't even a life. Cold blooded dobbin.
Yet in the same breath these socialists will lobby on behalf of children, hypocrisy at its finest.

And throughout most of your church's history, the yardstick for determining when it became a baby kept shifting between conception and quickening - when the fetus starts to kick, so even popes and other eccliastical authorities weren't as sure as you are about when the soul got dropped in and it became human. And if abortion is murder, maybe you can explain why Mosaic Law only called for a fine for a man convicted of injuring a pregnant woman during a fight, and causing a miscarriage. This was at a time when almost every crime had a death sentence - gathering sticks on the sabbath, adultery, disobeying parents etc., so why a slap on the wrist fine that was actually payed to the woman's husband, if they thought fetuses were fully human during OT days?

WIP · January 2, 2009

Sad. I don't get why you wouldn't be more responsible Drea. Surely you're smart enough to know better, I know you are. Maybe I'm directing this on the wrong sex.

Hopefully medical science will progress to the point where some day an embryo can be transferred into men who are so adamant that every fertilized egg needs to be carried to term, can have the privilege of spending the next nine months pregnant. Most guys have enough sense not to get too carried away with telling women how to handle pregnancy....and the others are pro life.

Guys, if you're going bang a girl you know without a rubber then right before you're going to c-- pull out and pound it out onto her stomach. Is it really that hard?
Guys these days must be uncoordinated or something hahaha. What's the attraction of c--ing in her anyways? Pull it out and let it go on her stomach then pass her a towel. Same result both ways, I dunno.

Ok this reply is getting out of control..lol.

You are not a very informed Catholic are you; otherwise you would have heard about the "Sin of Onan" who got wasted by God for "spilling his see on the ground" instead of impregnating the wife of his deceased brother. The Church uses this parable as justification for opposing birth control, so there's no way you can be in good standing if you're using the withdrawal method of birth control.

Kitchener · January 2, 2009

...in the meantime I can't wait to read how you get your head handed to you for telling us how to regulate girls in the next few pages.

For my part, that was the point at which I realized that nothing I could say to Mr Non-Canada would make his views look more degenerate and foolish than the things he says himself.

WIP · January 2, 2009

For my part, that was the point at which I realized that nothing I could say to Mr Non-Canada would make his views look more degenerate and foolish than the things he says himself.

It has been entertaining, although I'm glad I finally made it to the last page of this thread.

Mr.Canada · January 3, 2009

You are not a very informed Catholic are you; otherwise you would have heard about the "Sin of Onan" who got wasted by God for "spilling his see on the ground" instead of impregnating the wife of his deceased brother. The Church uses this parable as justification for opposing birth control, so there's no way you can be in good standing if you're using the withdrawal method of birth control.

I'm speaking to Protestants and others as proper Catholics would never do such things. As I've said many times I was a lapsed Protestant for most of my life and converted a few years ago. So I speak from experience as far as girls go. I am since reformed and no better and have left my sinful ways behind me for the most part. No one is sin free except God.

I don't think people really understand what life really means yet and until that time we'll keep fighting over abortion. I pray one day that the world will admit how wrong it was to allow the murder of children through the aborting of pregnancies. This attitude is going hand in hand with growing secularism which is based in materialism and greed.

For my part, that was the point at which I realized that nothing I could say to Mr Non-Canada would make his views look more degenerate and foolish than the things he says himself.

So being Pro-Life is making me look foolish?

At least I'm not wishy washy and once I take a stand I don't waver much if at all.

Edited January 3, 2009 by Mr.Canada

Smallc · January 3, 2009

No one is sin free except God.

How can you say that while at the same time believing the bible in full?

jdobbin · January 3, 2009

At least I'm not wishy washy and once I take a stand I don't waver much if at all.

You have by voting Conservative. It means you support murder.

Mr.Canada · January 3, 2009

How can you say that while at the same time believing the bible in full?

I find it funny when atheists try to tell me what my religion is and who my God is when they don't believe in God at all.

It's never too late smallc, God is a very forgiving God and will forgive you and accept you if you go to Him. I do suggest that you read more of the BIble though, don't treat it as such a historical document though, it isn't really meant to be read that way.

You have by voting Conservative. It means you support murder.

dobbin, why do you keep saying this to me over and over again. You say good things until you get fed up with me then get silly and do this.

Edited January 3, 2009 by Mr.Canada

Smallc · January 3, 2009

I find it funny when atheists try to tell me what my religion is and who my God is when they don't believe in God at all.

Now I'm an atheist?

Kitchener · January 3, 2009

So being Pro-Life is making me look foolish?

I really couldn't say. Just from reading, it's impossible to tell what the cause is -- but the effects are clear.

jdobbin · January 3, 2009

dobbin, why do you keep saying this to me over and over again. You say good things until you get fed up with me then get silly and do this.

Why don't you answer the question? If you vote Tory, you vote to continue policies you believe are murder. Ergo, you support murder. Aren't you being foolish voting for a party that says they are not going to make abortion a priority? Doesn't it make you responsible for that policy?

I will call you on this over and over again. You are a murderer every time you vote the way you do. Is that the type of flexible Catholic you are?

noahbody · January 3, 2009

No one is sin free except God

"You must first be able to see there are many gods, before you can see there are none."

noahbody

I don't think people really understand what life really means yet and until that time we'll keep fighting over abortion.

The only one who knows is (drum roll please): God!

Mr.Canada · January 3, 2009

Now I'm an atheist?

I thought you were, I apologize if it isn't the case. I need to make a list. You agree with gay marriage and abortion so I know you aren't a Christian...however.

jdobbin · January 3, 2009

You agree with gay marriage and abortion so I know you aren't a Christian...however.

You support a party that doesn't make abortion a policy so you can't be Christian either.

Mr.Canada · January 3, 2009

Why don't you answer the question? If you vote Tory, you vote to continue policies you believe are murder. Ergo, you support murder. Aren't you being foolish voting for a party that says they are not going to make abortion a priority? Doesn't it make you responsible for that policy?
I will call you on this over and over again. You are a murderer every time you vote the way you do. Is that the type of flexible Catholic you are?

Jdobbin, the position is this. Conservative Christians Ive spoken with tend to vote for the Tories for the most part as they see them as the most likely to be able to have influence over policy at a later time. Now isn't the time to introduce an abortion bill. The economy is the priority, having said that once the Tories can a majority of the Senate seats and majority support from all parties of the new abortion bill, a private member will table it. In doing so making it a free house vote. It will take some time, even a few years but abortion reform is coming.

"You must first be able to see there are many gods, before you can see there are none."
noahbody

The only one who knows is (drum roll please): God!

So here you say there is no God then that there is...hrm not really making much sense here.

Edited January 3, 2009 by Mr.Canada

jdobbin · January 3, 2009

Jdobbin, the position is this. Conservative Christians Ive spoken with tend to vote for the Tories for the most part as they see them as the most likely to be able to have influence over policy at a later time. Now isn't the time to introduce an abortion bill.

So you've made the economy a priority over saving life? That makes you a supporter of policies you consider to be murder. Where is your inflexibility? Are you not a real Christian?

There are parties that say no abortion. If you are a real Christian those are the parties you should support.

Edited January 3, 2009 by jdobbin

Mr.Canada · January 3, 2009

Post 247 supports my views perfectly and also makes perfect sense. The Tories have the ability to form a government the others do not. It makes more sense to boost membership numbers of the Conservative Party and then influence policy at the conventions then it does to support a fringe party that will never be in power. The NDP already has that spot.

jdobbin · January 3, 2009

Post 247 supports my views perfectly and also makes perfect sense. The Tories have the ability to form a government the others do not. It makes more sense to boost membership numbers of the Conservative Party and then influence policy at the conventions then it does to support a fringe party that will never be in power.

Which means that you are flexible on abortion.