Religious Right in Canada

ToadBrother · January 16, 2009

And you are demonstrating another weakness of fundamentalist moral philosophy: adherence to laws, whether political or divinely mandated, is the ultimate goal, whether those laws (divine or political) have negative consequences.

Maybe before lambasting someone you should review the thread. I'm opposed to anti-prostitution laws, but someone here decided that those laws are fine because of some vague idea that they stop some women from entering the "trade", whilst leaving some forms of the "trade", such as massage parlors, free to ply their wares. My point was that massage parlors are frequently busted as common bawdy houses.

Let me repeat, I'm against anti-prostitution laws. I think we should have legalized brothels, with health care and reasonable protection for women.

WIP · January 16, 2009

Maybe before lambasting someone you should review the thread.

And exactly how carefully do you read? Since I wasn't responding to your post; I was responding to law and order guy.

As for reviewing the thread -- it is now 46 pages long, and the topic didn't turn into prostitution and massage parlors until the last few pages.

Mr.Canada · January 16, 2009

And he's also included an openly gay bishop to deliver the invocation....he tries to cover all the bases.

This was a purely political move. His own feelings are very apparent being a member of Wrights right wing, pro black, anti-gay racist ministry for 20 years says it all. Obama is more right wing then Harper is by a long shot. They'll get along very well and Harpers star will rise along with Obamas.

DrGreenthumb · January 16, 2009

This was a purely political move. His own feelings are very apparent being a member of Wrights right wing, pro black, anti-gay racist ministry for 20 years says it all. Obama is more right wing then Harper is by a long shot. They'll get along very well and Harpers star will rise along with Obamas.

After the end of this month Harper will be the opposition leader, you think Obama is going to come to Canada and hang out with the opposition leader? I think He will be too busy meeting with Prime Minister Ignatief to waste time fartin around with Harper.

Alta4ever · January 16, 2009

After the end of this month Harper will be the opposition leader, you think Obama is going to come to Canada and hang out with the opposition leader? I think He will be too busy meeting with Prime Minister Ignatief to waste time fartin around with Harper.

So we are going to have an election? The opposition are going to trigger one?

Oleg Bach · January 16, 2009

So we are going to have an election? The opposition are going to trigger one?

Bush goes Harper goes - that's the way it works - I remember a high ranking Canadian conservative ask me " So what do you thing of George Bush?" The way he said it and his tone was "what do you think of our front man?" to re-phrase.. There is a left and a right in north america and the 49th parallel is of little consenqence.

Alta4ever · January 16, 2009

Bush goes Harper goes - that's the way it works - I remember a high ranking Canadian conservative ask me " So what do you thing of George Bush?" The way he said it and his tone was "what do you think of our front man?" to re-phrase.. There is a left and a right in north america and the 49th parallel is of little consenqence.

Well if Harper's going then there had better be an election.

tango · January 16, 2009

SOURCE/FULL STORY
Well as we can Christians are waking up to the secularism that is destroying Canada. Not only that but Christians are starting to vote as the Bible says. For a party that best identifies with Christians, has the best party policies that are in line with Church teachings. That party is the Conservative party or Tories and they are led by Stephan Harper, an evangelical Christian, a family man, a Joe everyman, just like you and me friends.

Read the article in its entirety it explains things far better than I could.

An 'evangelical Christian' is not 'a Joe everyman' in Canada! What religious enclave do you live in? Come to the real world and have a look!

About 22% of Canadians voted for Harper. That's not much of a 'trend'. hahaha

About 80% of Canadians purport to believe in a God, but only about ... hark! ... 20% believe in churches. The rest - 80% of Canadians - do not attend nor belong to an organized church.

I am one of them. IMO, organized religions are just money-grubbing capitalist propaganda corporations without principles, and they are dangerous to democracy and to humanity, and organized religions do not speak for God!

Harper has a solid core of right wing support. However, it is not growing.

Harper has learned that he has to appeal to the moderates to grow his support any further, but then he starts losing his core. Too bad. (NOT!) Right wing extremism of the organized religion variety is self-limiting. imo, of course.

Now get off my damn street corner and away from my damned door! Religious proselytizing is just genocidal ambitions dressed up in the garb of a God to which no one has exclusive rights. Wanting to convert-or-destroy everyone who does not follow your party/church/corporate line is vile aggression against freedom of thought, freedom of/from religion and a festering black spot on humanity. imo of course.

God please free us from religious zealots, for they are too chicken to think for themselves and they use your name in vain!

Perhaps the religious zealotry currently massacring children in Gaza is currently affecting my thinking. It should give us all pause for thought on these issues.

But of course there is no national democratic debate on the issue, because Herr Harper has declared a dictatorship!

That's the danger of religious zealotry: When you convince yourself you are the voice of God, you suppress and deny your own humanity and that of others.

What's that saying ... 'Neurotics build castles in the sky, psychotics live in them.'

Religious zealotry is psychosis. The sooner we diagnose it and treat it as such, the safer humanity will be.

Edited January 16, 2009 by tango

WIP · January 17, 2009

This was a purely political move. His own feelings are very apparent being a member of Wrights right wing, pro black, anti-gay racist ministry for 20 years says it all. Obama is more right wing then Harper is by a long shot. They'll get along very well and Harpers star will rise along with Obamas.

Do you have a source to confirm that Rev. Wright is right wing and anti-gay? Because I found this one pretty fast:

“Trinity has been among the strongest supporters of LGBT rights,” Garcia said. “I have the highest regard and admiration for Rev. Wright.”

Gay Chicago resident Ronald Wadley, a member of Trinity United Church of Christ, said Wright enthusiastically backed suggestions by gay church members to create a gay and lesbian singles ministry as part of the church’s existing ministry to heterosexual singles.

“We call it the same-gender loving family ministry,” Wadley said. “It’s a ministry that was formed to allow people to have an outlet to reconcile their sexuality with their spirituality,” he said.

“He has always been supportive on gay issues,” Wadley said of Wright. “He has a stance that we all go by, under the credence of John: 16 — that we are all created by God.”

http://www.washingtonblade.com/thelatest/t...m?blog_id=17266

It doesn't take a lot of research these days to factcheck these kind of statements.

whowhere · January 18, 2009

After the end of this month Harper will be the opposition leader, you think Obama is going to come to Canada and hang out with the opposition leader? I think He will be too busy meeting with Prime Minister Ignatief to waste time fartin around with Harper.

Good, I hope you're right. The Harpers conservatives are a bunch of jackasses. Not a shock given the Harper Conservatives are made up of the conservative losers who were left when Mike Harris abandoned ship. They were all defeated so they all joined up with Harper and now look at Canada.

One thing can be said about mike harris he went to war and kept at it. Somewhere he lost his will to continue his fight so he left or was broken before he succeeded with his common sense revolution. The losers who were left after he left were lost without him. Because of this they lost Ontario. At least I will say Mike Harris was in fact a conservative. He didn't pander to Unions, bureacrats, and other special interest groups. He was on the side of business and tax cuts for everyone. What is Harper about exactly?

Oh Giving money to useless munipalities. Yeah they are greedy. All they do is raise property taxes and spend and spend. In a falling economy how are people going to pay increased property taxes?

We need leadership. If anything Mike Harris was a leader. We need a Prime Minister who is prepared to go to war with the Government Bureacrats. freeze taxes, cut spending and start lowering taxes.

We need a principled, Idealistic leader who will shove the boot of cosmic rightousness up the asses of the greedy and self serving corrupt bureacrats of this country. We need to restore integrity and a respect for the laws which enshrine a free and democratic society. We need to nurture people to become the bright stars they are all destined to be and not be repressed by the corrupt greedy exploiters.

Unfortunately this is not Canada. Canada is a debauched corrupt Country run by special greedy interest groups. Canada operates very much Like a Sith Empire of repression.

The Jedi knights need to bring down the Harper Sith leaders and free Canada from the Dark Lords death grip.

whowhere · January 18, 2009

http://library.thinkquest.org/CR0210200/an...t_rome/gods.htm

The Romans tolerated all religions except Christianity

tango · January 18, 2009

http://www.canadianchristianity.com/nation...71213state.html

The State of the Canadian Church -- Part II: Shifting Traditions

Here's the answer for Mr. Canada: Evangelical church attendance is increasing, while mainstream protestant ones are declining.

CANADIEN · January 18, 2009

God please free us from religious zealots, for they are too chicken to think for themselves and they use your name in vain!

Hear hear

Mr.Canada · January 18, 2009

Unfortunately this is not Canada. Canada is a debauched corrupt Country run by special greedy interest groups. Canada operates very much Like a Sith Empire of repression.
The Jedi knights need to bring down the Harper Sith leaders and free Canada from the Dark Lords death grip.

This quite humorous. The Liberals and NDP are all about special interests. It will get worse under their leadership, not better. The Liberals have been in power for the better part of the last 70 years so I cannot see how you can blame the Tories for the way Canada turned out. I might also remind you that Harper has a minority and must work with the opposition to form policy.

http://www.canadianchristianity.com/nation...71213state.html
The State of the Canadian Church -- Part II: Shifting Traditions

Here's the answer for Mr. Canada: Evangelical church attendance is increasing, while mainstream protestant ones are declining.

This is top news. More and more Canadians turning to a more honest and conservative branch of Christianity. The religious right is forming in Canada to have a say and help shape policy. Shaping policy with one common good in each idea, the belief in God. God's wisdom will guide us as is His will.

Edited January 18, 2009 by Mr.Canada

Jerry J. Fortin · January 18, 2009

It is my belief that the religious right will contain themselves with walls of their own design. They are by nature an exclusive group, not an inclusive one. This is a poor doctrine for political organizations to pattern themselves after.

Smallc · January 18, 2009

The Liberals and NDP are all about special interests.

So what type of group do you consider the religious right to be if not a special interest?

Mr.Canada · January 18, 2009

This quite humorous. The Liberals and NDP are all about special interests. It will get worse under their leadership, not better. The Liberals have been in power for the better part of the last 70 years so I cannot see how you can blame the Tories for the way Canada turned out. I might also remind you that Harper has a minority and must work with the opposition to form policy.
This is top news. More and more Canadians turning to a more honest and conservative branch of Christianity. The religious right is forming in Canada to have a say and help shape policy. Shaping policy with one common good in each idea, the belief in God. God's wisdom will guide us as is His will.

No smallc. The religious right are part of the moral majority. People who know what is right but is often silent in the face of being labeled as you've labeled me. The tide is growing. The socialists will be swept under the great wave that is to come. That's why Ignotieff is so afraid of elections, he wants power of the PMO without an election just like he took power of the LPC. He wants to do the same with the PMO. Canada is not to work in this manner.

whowhere · January 18, 2009

No smallc. The religious right are part of the moral majority. People who know what is right but is often silent in the face of being labeled as you've labeled me. The tide is growing. The socialists will be swept under the great wave that is to come. That's why Ignotieff is so afraid of elections, he wants power of the PMO without an election just like he took power of the LPC. He wants to do the same with the PMO. Canada is not to work in this manner.

How is it on the one hand it was perfectly acceptable to impose a 1982 constitution on Canada by a vote of parliament and ratified by the queen herself and it is not acceptable for a vote of parliament to decide who will form the Cabinet and be the Prime Minister of Canada. Hypocritical. Welcome to Canada's limited democracy. The Parliament has for the most part made monumental decisions that impacted the Canadian people without asking them directly through a vote. Why should Canadians matter now??

If Ignatief and Layton are supported by a Parliamentry vote to form a coalition government so be it. A Perfectly legitimate coarse of action given Canada's political history. Harper deserves to be tossed out as his actions are not for the Canadian people but for whoever he is pandering to.

AND it will be kosher in the cosmic scheme of things.

Mr.Canada · January 18, 2009

How is it on the one hand it was perfectly acceptable to impose a 1982 constitution on Canada by a vote of parliament and ratified by the queen herself and it is not acceptable for a vote of parliament to decide who will form the Cabinet and be the Prime Minister of Canada. Hypocritical. Welcome to Canada's limited democracy. The Parliament has for the most part made monumental decisions that impacted the Canadian people without asking them directly through a vote. Why should Canadians matter now??
If Ignatief and Layton are supported by a Parliamentry vote to form a coalition government so be it. A Perfectly legitimate coarse of action given Canada's political history. Harper deserves to be tossed out as his actions are not for the Canadian people but for whoever he is pandering to.

AND it will be kosher in the cosmic scheme of things.

I hope they do. A separatist party leading Canada would destroy the Liberals and NDP almost forever. So I really hope they let a Quebec Separatist Party run the PMO. Not even Ignotieff is that stupid, Dion was but Ignotieff isn't unfortunately. He'll vote with Harper and everyone sane knows that. Ignotieff will ind something he likes in the budget and vote for it. Canada is screaming for stimulus. To deny this would be death for the Liberals and make them look petty.

Jerry J. Fortin · January 18, 2009

I hope they do. A separatist party leading Canada would destroy the Liberals and NDP almost forever. So I really hope they let a Quebec Separatist Party run the PMO. Not even Ignotieff is that stupid, Dion was but Ignotieff isn't unfortunately. He'll vote with Harper and everyone sane knows that. Ignotieff will ind something he likes in the budget and vote for it. Canada is screaming for stimulus. To deny this would be death for the Liberals and make them look petty.

The nation is not screaming for a stimulus package it is screaming for leadership. Contrary to the media spin and the political twists and turns, citizens just want the government to actually deal with the problems of the day. Today it is the recession tomorrow who knows? The government is about to enter into a corporate welfare system and for no more than political reasons. Harper has abandoned his roots long ago and is now seeking the popular support he desires to retain power. The man has compromised his principles for political power. That is the sad reality here.

whowhere · January 18, 2009

I hope they do. A separatist party leading Canada would destroy the Liberals and NDP almost forever. So I really hope they let a Quebec Separatist Party run the PMO. Not even Ignotieff is that stupid, Dion was but Ignotieff isn't unfortunately. He'll vote with Harper and everyone sane knows that. Ignotieff will ind something he likes in the budget and vote for it. Canada is screaming for stimulus. To deny this would be death for the Liberals and make them look petty.

I guess like your Jesus you don't pay attention to what Jesus or ignatief has said themselves. Ignatief in his swearing in and media conference stated he would form a coalition government if need be. So if he does, don't be shocked. You should try getting your information from what was said by them directly.

Oh, I thought your Jesus introduced a new commandment of Love your brother. Considering you parade around as a catholic and given that those of quebec are proportionally Catholic why are you spitting on your brothers like that. You should be supporting your brothers and not name calling them separatists. Be happy they are going to have a voice in getting more tax dollars from Alberta's oil.

Mr.Canada · January 18, 2009

Ah poor whowhere. When faced with logic he simply cannot admit I'm correct so he goes on a strange elongated diatribe completely off topic and completely irrelevant. This is not surprising and is in fact typical of people who are hyper partisan. Don't be scared folks, Mr.Canada will be there to defend everyday Canadians from the socialist guilt stick wielders. We must remain defiant in the face of this tyranny and scream no to any more further secular socialism

whowhere · January 18, 2009

Don't be scared folks, Mr.Canada will be there to defend everyday Canadians from the socialist guilt stick wielders. We must remain defiant in the face of this tyranny and scream no to any more further secular socialism

If only those alter boys screamed No before the Catholic priests proceeded to sodomize them without lubrication. If Only they found the strength to run from Mr Canada's brothers. The Holy spirit loved them so much via the priests sticks, they are maimed for life and now have to wear a diaper as their asses have been stetched out. Be wary of Catholics and their talk of sticks.

trooper · January 19, 2009

To anyone reading this thread, here's what the "God loving Religious Right who are mightily against removing God from the House of Commons and Politics" do when God is brought to the house of commons:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ9To30Hz7A

Only... This 'God' is different than their 'God' but that's not what they say when they claim they are fighting for 'God'.

I say these morons deserve everything they are getting. Pathetic losers who whine that God is taken out of politics but show their mob mentality hidden agenda when these 'nice God loving' folks see someone who is different to them.

P.S. The guy yelled "You shall put no other Gods before you." I guess Christainity is the only true religion out of the thousands around the world who claim the same thing.

Edited January 19, 2009 by trooper

SSD · January 19, 2009

The previous point is exact on. God has no place in politics. Remember, reason over passion anyday. Most Canadians, except racists, would prefer to keep religious worship to the private individuals rather than enforced by the government. That is the problem with Christian conservatives. John A. MacDonald said something along the line that no decision in government should be made when its most powerful explanation is a religious one. Trudeau even said that religious fundamentalists need a dose of reality because the most advances (in a specific time) man has made was in the last century, and it was also the most "un-religious." Although Paul Martin felt strongly that marriage is between a man and a woman due to his own religion, he knew that one of the government's role is not to promote one religion's rules over another but to advance the rights of individual so as long as it doesn't harm anyone.