CBC partners with Islam Extremists?

[Mr.Canada]

Mr. Canada,

You made up the 'political correctness' thing out of thin air. You haven't got enough facts to back up your views. That's not 'political correctness' it's just 'correctness'.

Kimmy provided you with more than enough info to back up the claims of my original post. Keep tending to those sheep, bo-peep.

[Michael Hardner]

And it amounted to... not much...

Keep peppering your arguments with nursery rhyme taunts, that helps...

[Mr.Canada]

And it amounted to... not much...

Keep peppering your arguments with nursery rhyme taunts, that helps...

Explain to me what would be enough for you?

I don't really care what you think anyhow. It is clear enough to people that the group has extremist ties. Whether or not you accept that is up to you. Just stop responding, you're making no sense. You're the only one who is saying it's not enough so perhaps the scope of this forum is just too much for your little head.

[punked]

Explain to me what would be enough for you?

I don't really care what you think anyhow. It is clear enough to people that the group has extremist ties. Whether or not you accept that is up to you. Just stop responding, you're making no sense. You're the only one who is saying it's not enough so perhaps the scope of this forum is just too much for your little head.

Know what we should do is before anyone gets hired for any job we should make them sign a paper saying they are not extremists and communists it worked so well in the 50s. Oh wait it didnt it was stupid then too.

[Michael Hardner]

Mr. C

Explain to me what would be enough for you?

I don't really care what you think anyhow. It is clear enough to people that the group has extremist ties. Whether or not you accept that is up to you. Just stop responding, you're making no sense. You're the only one who is saying it's not enough so perhaps the scope of this forum is just too much for your little head.

You don't care, so that's why you ask my opinion ?

What 'extremist ties' ? Rejecting secularism is a goal that you yourself espouse isn't it ? Are you an extremist ?

[WIP]

So let's see, now we have the CBC who is funded by the taxpayer teaming up with Radical Islam for a new anti-hunger campaign.

Haven't been paying attention to this story, but I found this on the Muslim Association of Canada's "about" page:

The Muslim community in Canada is characterized by a prevalent understanding of Islam that is balanced, comprehensive, and demonstrates the relevance of Islam and its values to our life in Canada's present day society. Involved in the debate to shape domestic and foreign policies and injects its values in this debate.

Is this just a matter of competing brands, like Coke vs. Pepsi? If I substituted Muslim for Catholic, you would think this was the greatest thing since sliced bread!

[Borg]

Some Islamic believe that all westerners are infidels.

Actually all islamics believe this - they are taught this from day one.

If Islams could only understand that ..........

Typical drivel. They are not interested - I deal with this every day - you are an infidel - you will "pay the tax" - sooner or later you will be gone and we will win - there is no negotiation - now "please sit and have tea. What can you give me?". It is a done in a friendly manner - they know we will leave eventually - so, while you are here - "Can I have a new paved road please?"

When you sit on the desert during the day you can see nothing but rocks and sand. At night the lights come on. It is amazing how many people live there - and are ready to die for their ideals. Those who are not willing - because survival instinct is strog - pick a family member - knowing full well that if they do not - their entire family wil be killed. So they pick their weakest, or their retarded (their words not mine) and send them.

Last week dogs were used to carry explosive charges into villages. One was suspected of having been surgically implanted with them and then set loose.

It makes for an interesting life.

The hate is strong and it is imported into all western societies through immigration and it does not go away - tribal warfare

Decline of what you know today has commenced and it may not matter to you - but what is coming is quite possbly going to very ugly.

I walk in the cradle of civilization - the place where math and science and medicine were once studied. If you were a person of wealth you came here for your education.

Islam has killed this and bred hatred in return for anything other than the koran. Send your children to school today and they will memorize the koran - the girls will never go to school.

To get sick as a woman is to die.

To be educated as a woman is not to be.

To keep the people under control where I am - the people are kept uneducated and they are kept hungry. Money in each islamic country I patrol is controlled by very few families.

I have learned a great deal over here - and I have learned that our tolerance may very well be our undoing. Islam is to be feared.

CBC partnerships?

All in the name of tolerance - tolerance that will never be returned - despite the writings of the media and the sqawking of the politician and the screeching of the special interest groups.

Borg

[Michael Hardner]

Borg,

When you sit on the desert during the day you can see nothing but rocks and sand...

This is another post about Islam that amounts to not much. The method of such posts is to paint a vivid and ugly picture of the worst parts of a culture, and then imply that it will be imported to Canada through immigration.

Of course, you could have done that with the Chinese, the Irish, and even the British in the past. It's not an argument, it's just prose.

This group sets *integration* as one of their goals. Isn't that what the Muslim haters on this board always ask for ?

[Mr.Canada]

Borg,

This is another post about Islam that amounts to not much. The method of such posts is to paint a vivid and ugly picture of the worst parts of a culture, and then imply that it will be imported to Canada through immigration.

Of course, you could have done that with the Chinese, the Irish, and even the British in the past. It's not an argument, it's just prose.

This group sets *integration* as one of their goals. Isn't that what the Muslim haters on this board always ask for ?

Wearing a Bhurka or Niqab is not integration to me. It makes people uncomfortable and scared. As laid out in the article it is one of this groups ideals to in fact, not integrate at all. I thought you read the article.

[Michael Hardner]

Mr Canada,

Wearing a Bhurka or Niqab is not integration to me. It makes people uncomfortable and scared. As laid out in the article it is one of this groups ideals to in fact, not integrate at all. I thought you read the article.

I did read it, and didn't remember seeing the terms 'Bhurka' or 'Nigab' so I went back and google searched the page, and 6 or seven of the pages referenced. THOSE TERMS DIDN'T COME UP ONCE.

You are a highly annoying poster here because you make things up, and then falsely accuse people of not reading your sources.

If you don't improve your approaches and improve, I'm going to have to conclude that you're doing all of this on purpose.

By the way, that is called bearing false witness, which would make you a false Christian.

[Mr.Canada]

It is stated clearly that this group is against integration. It's right there, are you purposely being obtuse?

[Michael Hardner]

No, you are.

In fact, I now believe you to be lying. Go to the MAC website. In fact, the opposite is clearly stated:

MAC website

The Mission of the Muslim Association of Canada is:

"To establish an Islamic presence in Canada, that is balanced, constructive and integrated though distinct, within the social fabric and culture of Canada"

I'll give you a chance, though, to defend yourself against my assertion that you are a liar. If you admit your mistake, I'll withdraw my assertion.

[LesterDC]

Borg,

This is another post about Islam that amounts to not much. The method of such posts is to paint a vivid and ugly picture of the worst parts of a culture, and then imply that it will be imported to Canada through immigration.

Of course, you could have done that with the Chinese, the Irish, and even the British in the past. It's not an argument, it's just prose.

This group sets *integration* as one of their goals. Isn't that what the Muslim haters on this board always ask for ?

Well said..

Wearing a Bhurka or Niqab is not integration to me. It makes people uncomfortable and scared. As laid out in the article it is one of this groups ideals to in fact, not integrate at all. I thought you read the article.

The key word is "integration", not "melting pot". In this country you are free to wear whatever you want.. Where do you get the idea that somebody wearing special clothing is unable to love the country? I would be more concerned with the person who doesn't believe in our charter, our citizenship act and wants to implement state religion..

By the way, Bhurka and Niqabs will only frighten the ignorant people..

[Mr.Canada]

No, you are.

In fact, I now believe you to be lying. Go to the MAC website. In fact, the opposite is clearly stated:

MAC website

I'll give you a chance, though, to defend yourself against my assertion that you are a liar. If you admit your mistake, I'll withdraw my assertion.

You expect people that are after our tax dollars to come right out and say what they really believe? That is surprisingly naive of you MH. Do you take everyone at face value and believe that people never lie? Oh, that's right Micheal, only Christians lie. I remember now.

The leader of the MAC was basically the protoge of the leader, the Imam of the violent and terror linked Muslim Brotherhood(MB). This concerns me.

The CBC is funding the MAC which has direct ties to the terror group known as the MB. This doesn't seem to bother you MH. Thats fine but it bothers me and to me is irresponsible. You agree with funding terror with our tax dollars? Ok, at least we know where you stand.

Thanks for clearing that up for us.

[Michael Hardner]

Mr. Canada,

You expect people that are after our tax dollars to come right out and say what they really believe? That is surprisingly naive of you MH. Do you take everyone at face value and believe that people never lie? Oh, that's right Micheal, only Christians lie. I remember now.

The leader of the MAC was basically the protoge of the leader, the Imam of the violent and terror linked Muslim Brotherhood(MB). This concerns me.

The CBC is funding the MAC which has direct ties to the terror group known as the MB. This doesn't seem to bother you MH. Thats fine but it bothers me and to me is irresponsible. You agree with funding terror with our tax dollars? Ok, at least we know where you stand.

Thanks for clearing that up for us.

What an unapologetic liar you are ! You said above that "It is stated clearly that this group is against integration. It's right there" Now you scurry away from that allegation ! How shameful !

Now you're saying that I shouldn't believe what they say because of your false allegations.

None of the other allegations you make in that post were backed up by the article posted at the top here, but that doesn't matter.

I'm not moving forward until you admit your mistakes and lies in this thread. Your method is to throw out more lies and falsehoods when you're caught !

There are posters here that can put forward a well-considered and consistent argument regarding the question Muslim integration. Their goal, I believe, is for a better country and I can at least debate with them in good faith. But you are just a liar who runs away from his lies as soon as they're found out, then comes back with a fresh pack.

Stop defending Christianity on this board, as you're not a Christian.

[punked]

You expect people that are after our tax dollars to come right out and say what they really believe? That is surprisingly naive of you MH. Do you take everyone at face value and believe that people never lie? Oh, that's right Micheal, only Christians lie. I remember now.

The leader of the MAC was basically the protoge of the leader, the Imam of the violent and terror linked Muslim Brotherhood(MB). This concerns me.

The CBC is funding the MAC which has direct ties to the terror group known as the MB. This doesn't seem to bother you MH. Thats fine but it bothers me and to me is irresponsible. You agree with funding terror with our tax dollars? Ok, at least we know where you stand.

Thanks for clearing that up for us.

Please run for the Cons in the next election. PLEASE OHHHHH PLEASE! At least work as hard as you can to get your message out for them.

[Mr.Canada]

Mr. Canada,

What an unapologetic liar you are ! You said above that "It is stated clearly that this group is against integration. It's right there" Now you scurry away from that allegation ! How shameful !

Now you're saying that I shouldn't believe what they say because of your false allegations.

None of the other allegations you make in that post were backed up by the article posted at the top here, but that doesn't matter.

I'm not moving forward until you admit your mistakes and lies in this thread. Your method is to throw out more lies and falsehoods when you're caught !

There are posters here that can put forward a well-considered and consistent argument regarding the question Muslim integration. Their goal, I believe, is for a better country and I can at least debate with them in good faith. But you are just a liar who runs away from his lies as soon as they're found out, then comes back with a fresh pack.

Stop defending Christianity on this board, as you're not a Christian.

The leader of the Muslim Brotherhood is preaches not to integrate. This is the man who mentored the leader of the MAC for years. I cannot make this anymore clear for you. This is clearly stated.

..Al-Banna also instructs that Muslims should "Completely boycott non-Islamic courts and judicial systems. Also, dissociate yourself from organisations, newspapers, committees, schools, and institutions which oppose your Islamic ideology." Al-Banna also condones in this book spreading Islam with violence: "Always intend to go for Jihad and desire martyrdom. Prepare for it as much as you can."

Source

As you can see this man is against integration. This man mentored the leader of the MAC for years.

Edited December 21, 2008 by Mr.Canada

[punked]

Mr. Canada this is what you remind me of.

http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=1122#comic

[Michael Hardner]

Mr Canada,

AlBanna is not the leader - he died in the 1940s. Again, you show that are a lazy poster and a liar.

Admit your mistake please. There's no point in moving forward with these discussions if one party keeps soiling himself over and over and doesn't rectify the situation.

[Mr.Canada]

OK I misstated a bit, I can accept that. The MAC forms its views around what the Muslim Brotherhood believes and states that these are the best way to look at Islam.

MAC adopts and strives to implement Islam, as embodied in the Qur'an, and the teachings of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and as understood in its contemporary context by the late Imam, Hassan Albanna, the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood. MAC regards this ideology as the best representation of Islam as delivered by Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

That comes straight from the MAC. Here is what Hassan Albanna preached during his time with the MB. These ideals are what the MAC condones as being the best representation of ISlam.

...Al-Banna also instructs that Muslims should "Completely boycott non-Islamic courts and judicial systems. Also, dissociate yourself from organisations, newspapers, committees, schools, and institutions which oppose your Islamic ideology." Al-Banna also condones in this book spreading Islam with violence: "Always intend to go for Jihad and desire martyrdom. Prepare for it as much as you can."

Source

Can you, MH, accept that something is fishy here? It doesn't look very good you must admit. Based only on what I've presented thus far.

Edited December 21, 2008 by Mr.Canada

[Michael Hardner]

Mr Canada,

Thanks for your post. I do appreciate it.

In fact, kimmy and I discussed this very matter above. Al-Banna spurned Western ideology as sinful. I equate this to what Amish and Orthodox Christians do. There is no link between following a sober religious life and espousing violence.

If Al-Banna or any of these organizations encouraged violence and armed struggle then I would support your objections.

Conversely, if anybody at the CBC ever decided to support a Christian fellowship (as they well should, now that they've decided to support other religious groups) then I would defend them against the inevitably cries of protest.

[Mr.Canada]

Mr Canada,

Thanks for your post. I do appreciate it.

In fact, kimmy and I discussed this very matter above. Al-Banna spurned Western ideology as sinful. I equate this to what Amish and Orthodox Christians do. There is no link between following a sober religious life and espousing violence.

If Al-Banna or any of these organizations encouraged violence and armed struggle then I would support your objections.

Conversely, if anybody at the CBC ever decided to support a Christian fellowship (as they well should, now that they've decided to support other religious groups) then I would defend them against the inevitably cries of protest.

Al-Banna also condones in this book spreading Islam with violence: "Always intend to go for Jihad and desire martyrdom. Prepare for it as much as you can."

SOurce

This doesn't advocate violence? These are words from AlBanna himself.

[Borg]

M. Hardner - until today I thought of you as a respected poster on these boards.

You took my post and twisted the words - taking them out of context.

I now see you are in fact a man with an agenda - someone to actually be feared.

You might even have an evil streak in you - possibly someone to be avoided.

Get off that comfy chair - stop collecting your government cheques and indeed get out and see the world through something other than your rose coloured glasses.

Buy the book and read it - Because They Hate

May your children never have to live in a country run by or shaped by islamic peoples and islamic laws. It is coming to Europe - perhaps in your life time - beware of it coming to your country.

You will have no one to blame but people like yourself.

Merry Christmas

Borg

Edited December 21, 2008 by Borg

[kimmy]

Regarding the Muslim Association of Canada:

the group asserts that its values are derived from Hassan Al Banna. That is NOT the same as saying they share the values of the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Muslim Brotherhood, during Al Banna's lifetime was not a terrorist group, it was a social and political reform movement. It was immensely popular, with membership in the millions. The Egyptian government became so afraid of the group's popularity that the group was banned and censored. The Egyptian Prime Minister was assassinated, apparently in retaliation for the crackdown on the group. And in retaliation for that assassination, Al Banna himself was assassinated by the government. It was never actually proven that the Prime Minister was assassinated by a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, and certainly never proven that Al Banna was involved in the assassination at all. Whatever path the Muslim Brotherhood went down after Al Banna was assassinated, it is not a reflection of Al Banna's beliefs, and not representative of what MAC believes.

If MAC is to be judged on their statement that they follow Al Banna's beliefs, we should at least consider Al Banna's beliefs during his lifetime, and not what the Muslim Brotherhood may have done since Al Banna's death.

Al Banna's beliefs seem to have 2 really prominent characteristics: a firm belief in charity and economic fairness. And, a rejection of all things western and a return to traditional Islam. And this is where it would be nice if someone from the group could explain what they're actually all about. I don't think anybody objects to charity. However, if the group believes in rejecting westernization and embracing traditional Islam, that's a little more problematic for a group in Canada.

Michael asserts that even if that's what they do believe, they're within their right to do so. And I don't disagree at all. However, the question of whether the CBC should be involved with such a group in any capacity is another question. I think that entering into a partnership with this group, using the phrase "...in assocation with..." and putting the group's name on a website that is being promoted by the CBC and its popular television show amounts to, essentially, an endorsement.

If this group is advocating for Sharia courts, traditional Muslim rules for women, living lives isolated from Canadian society at large, and that sort of thing, then I don't think the CBC should be legitimizing the group through this sort of a partnership. And I would feel the same way if it was a regressive Christian or Jewish group as well.

-k

[Mr.Canada]

Michael Harding cannot accept this. I've said this many times in this thread. The group seems to support using violence and is anti-western. This being the case why is the CBC supporting it?

You've said it very nicely Kimmy.