Our Neighbours Could Be Terrorists!

[punked]

Remember who told who that Arar was a terrorist perp. That's why you paid him $10 million plus expenses.

You already have Gitmo North at Millhaven, Ontario.

That is what I am saying. No matter how much money you spend you still getting shitty intel and put innocents in the line of fire when we give up rights and increase power. So we agree it was dumb and to prevent it from happening we should increase the burden of proof.

About Air India how could I forget that. I stand corrected. Yet life went on without us changing all our laws putting people in a prison forever with out tiral and with out us starting a war. We were better for it. Also as something stated in this thread. What we did after MUST be working cause not more attacks right? That is what you guys keep telling me of the US. So we did something and it worked done and done.

[bush_cheney2004]

That is what I am saying. No matter how much money you spend you still getting shitty intel and put innocents in the line of fire when we give up rights and increase power. So we agree it was dumb and to prevent it from happening we should increase the burden of proof.

No we don't...I don't give a crap about Arar's "rights" on foreign turf. Send his ass back to Syria!

About Air India how could I forget that. I stand corrected. Yet life went on without us changing all our laws putting people in a prison forever with out tiral and with out us starting a war. We were better for it. Also as something stated in this thread. What we did after MUST be working cause not more attacks right? That is what you guys keep telling me of the US. So we did something and it worked done and done.

You mean waiting 15 years to figure it out was the best course of action? OK.....if you say so.

[Griz]

No we don't...I don't give a crap about Arar's "rights" on foreign turf. Send his ass back to Syria!

You mean waiting 15 years to figure it out was the best course of action? OK.....if you say so.

Ever see this link? Fighting Terrorism

[bush_cheney2004]

Ever see this link? Fighting Terrorism

Nope.

[AngusThermopyle]

About Air India how could I forget that. I stand corrected. Yet life went on without us changing all our laws putting people in a prison forever with out tiral and with out us starting a war. We were better for it. Also as something stated in this thread. What we did after MUST be working cause not more attacks right? That is what you guys keep telling me of the US. So we did something and it worked done and done.

Well you've convinced me Punked, you're right, we should just sit on our asses and do absolutely nothing. After all who cares about the fact that an existant system known to be in place and static can be circumvented and circumvented far more easily as time passes? Who cares that it has been common knowledge for many years that Canada is irrefutably known as a safe haven for sleeper and terrorist fund raising cells?

It's just inarguable that we should concentrate solely on curing cancer, after all we want all our citizens to be healthy before we throw their security to the wind. Of course your response to the Air India bombing can not be refuted. After all it only happened once so far so who cares, right?

Seldom have I seen such specious and nonesensical ideas defended so staunchly by one with so little understanding of reality. Congratulations, you've managed to indesputably take the proverbial cake.

Oh yes, since you're new I feel I must mention a comment you made earlier. Its related to an unfounded assumption you made when earlier you inplied that I do not care about our troops abroad. As most people here could tell you if they wanted to bother wasting their time talking to you I spent 20 years in the forces and did a total of six tours including Somalia, Yugo, and Rwanda among others. It appears your unfounded and totally false assumption holds as much value as the rest of your ill concieved and unfounded assumptions. A note of imterest here, it would appear that you and Dalliare have a lot in common. He to adopted a do nothing attitude in Rwanda. It only cost thousands of innocent lives including the lives of ten men under his command. Good company you keep I must say.

At this point the most gracious course of action you could take is to admit that you shot your mouth off without having a clue what you were talking about. However having read your posts so far I really don't expect you to do so. Rather I expect you will back peddle and attempt to justify your former statement as that appears to be your modus operandi, at least so far.

Just a word of caution for future reference, on this forum it pays to actually have an inkling of an idea about the subject under discussion before making bold and unsuported statements. Forum members here for the most part are very particular about what is said and assertions that hold no weight in reality.

Thanks for your time, now run along, the short bus is waiting for you.

Edited December 10, 2008 by AngusThermopyle

[tamtam10]

Is that why we are bringing in more immigrants this year than at any other past time?

Yes, and this is the reason Canada has become a safe haven for terrorists. I don't know what the solution is, but we can't be accepting each and every single immigration request so easily.

[Smallc]

but we can't be accepting each and every single immigration request so easily.

And we don't.

[wulf42]

Yes, and this is the reason Canada has become a safe haven for terrorists. I don't know what the solution is, but we can't be accepting each and every single immigration request so easily.

Absolutely right...........its been time to slam the door shut or at least start being a lot more picky who comes into this country!

[Mr.Canada]

Absolutely right...........its been time to slam the door shut or at least start being a lot more picky who comes into this country!

Yep, this is correct. We have homeless and jobless in Canada already. Until they take care of that close the book.

[wulf42]

Well you've convinced me Punked, you're right, we should just sit on our asses and do absolutely nothing. After all who cares about the fact that an existant system known to be in place and static can be circumvented and circumvented far more easily as time passes? Who cares that it has been common knowledge for many years that Canada is irrefutably known as a safe haven for sleeper and terrorist fund raising cells?

It's just inarguable that we should concentrate solely on curing cancer, after all we want all our citizens to be healthy before we throw their security to the wind. Of course your response to the Air India bombing can not be refuted. After all it only happened once so far so who cares, right?

Seldom have I seen such specious and nonesensical ideas defended so staunchly by one with so little understanding of reality. Congratulations, you've managed to indesputably take the proverbial cake.

Oh yes, since you're new I feel I must mention a comment you made earlier. Its related to an unfounded assumption you made when earlier you inplied that I do not care about our troops abroad. As most people here could tell you if they wanted to bother wasting their time talking to you I spent 20 years in the forces and did a total of six tours including Somalia, Yugo, and Rwanda among others. It appears your unfounded and totally false assumption holds as much value as the rest of your ill concieved and unfounded assumptions. A note of imterest here, it would appear that you and Dalliare have a lot in common. He to adopted a do nothing attitude in Rwanda. It only cost thousands of innocent lives including the lives of ten men under his command. Good company you keep I must say.

At this point the most gracious course of action you could take is to admit that you shot your mouth off without having a clue what you were talking about. However having read your posts so far I really don't expect you to do so. Rather I expect you will back peddle and attempt to justify your former statement as that appears to be your modus operandi, at least so far.

Just a word of caution for future reference, on this forum it pays to actually have an inkling of an idea about the subject under discussion before making bold and unsuported statements. Forum members here for the most part are very particular about what is said and assertions that hold no weight in reality.

Thanks for your time, now run along, the short bus is waiting for you.

The sad part is there are alot of people like Punked, i have met many Canadians who seem oblivious to the growing threats to this country they are too worry about being politically correct.

[wulf42]

Yep, this is correct. We have homeless and jobless in Canada already. Until they take care of that close the book.

The thing i don't get is they say we need skilled Immigrants from other countries.......well my answer to that is maybe instead of throwing money at Immigration maybe we should start training and providing the skill set to our own first!

[Mr.Canada]

The thing i don't get is they say we need skilled Immigrants from other countries.......well my answer to that is maybe instead of throwing money at Immigration maybe we should start training and providing the skill set to our own first!

Well said sir.

[-VMG-]

Ever think the reason we haven't had a terrorist attack on our soil is our softer immigration policies?

Or part of the reason we haven't been directly targeted is because of our acceptance of diversity, and our peace keeping way of thinking? That we don't just blatantly go into war situations without a reason and we think before we act?

It probably isn't a popular view even among terrorists to bomb a country that is as accepting of different cultures and beliefs as Canada.

I know this won't stop determined fanatics... but it might make them have a second thought.

The terrorists in most cases are not mindless idiots... they want a reaction... terror, fear... if they were to attack Canada the attack would be seen as completely uncalled for with no provocation and likely would not sit well even among anti-west organizations.

If we become more the like the US we become a bigger target. The "terrorists" hate the west but the US in particular. They did not do terrorist attacks for no reason... they wanted a reaction, and they wanted to rally the hatred for the west...

Bombing a nation as peaceful (getting less peaceful) and accepting as Canada would not be a good publicity stun on their end... and as much as you might think they are mindless (the likelihood is that the soldiers are, but the leaders are not, otherwise they would have gotten this far as an organization) many of their plots are based on gaining something for themselves, bombing Canada would not gain them anything as it stands...

[Murray B.]

...the charter...

Is that the one with the notwithstanding clause that lets any government pass any law that it likes?

[bush_cheney2004]

...The terrorists in most cases are not mindless idiots... they want a reaction... terror, fear... if they were to attack Canada the attack would be seen as completely uncalled for with no provocation and likely would not sit well even among anti-west organizations.

Well...there is that touchy matter of infidel Canadian combat troops in Afghanistan killing the locals. Could be a slight provocation....just sayin'.

[-VMG-]

Well...there is that touchy matter of infidel Canadian combat troops in Afghanistan killing the locals. Could be a slight provocation....just sayin'.

Provocation of provocation... it's true the war in Afghanistan would provoke some hatred... but the mission in afghanistan was provoked in the first place...

I think the act of not participating in the war in iraq shows that we don't mindlessly follow the US into war is a big thing at the same time... shows that we act rationally... if an ally is attacked we defend that ally.... if our ally goes out of their own jurisdiction and we don't back them for logical reasons it shows on the radar.

Of course this could all be bullshit and they don't give a shit about anything... but i honestly don't believe that.

[bush_cheney2004]

Provocation of provocation... it's true the war in Afghanistan would provoke some hatred... but the mission in afghanistan was provoked in the first place...

Of course..Al Qaeda and the Talibanskis are very understanding that way.

I think the act of not participating in the war in iraq shows that we don't mindlessly follow the US into war is a big thing at the same time... shows that we act rationally... if an ally is attacked we defend that ally.... if our ally goes out of their own jurisdiction and we don't back them for logical reasons it shows on the radar.

I agree....Canada attacks other sovereign states rationally...with American kit!

Of course this could all be bullshit and they don't give a shit about anything... but i honestly don't believe that.

Well I for one will not be sending them a Christmas card this year.

[Smallc]

Is that the one with the notwithstanding clause that lets any government pass any law that it likes?

Yes, it is the charter that protects the populace from decisions that may hurt them while at the same time protecting provincial rights.

[-VMG-]

Of course..Al Qaeda and the Talibanskis are very understanding that way.

I agree....Canada attacks other sovereign states rationally...with American kit!

Well I for one will not be sending them a Christmas card this year.

Taliban is not the one whos doing the terrorist attacks in western countries... they are defending their country from foreign occupation. And i do believe the leaders of Al-Qaeda do understand that it is retaliatory.

When have we attacked other sovereign states? We do peace-keeping missions... the only time we attacked another sovereign state was Afghanistan I might add that we have command of the armies there, and we do not use "american kit"... we have our own sub-par stuff.

Probably a good idea considering they don't believe in Christmas like we do.

Edited December 11, 2008 by -VMG-

[bush_cheney2004]

Taliban is not the one whos doing the terrorist attacks in western countries... they are defending their country from foreign occupation. And i do believe the leaders of Al-Qaeda do understand that it is retaliatory.

Al Qaeda is an international organization. As for the Taliban defending Afghanistan, are you suggesting that Germany, Japan, and Italy should have also resisted foreign occupation after WW2?

When have we attacked other sovereign states? We do peace-keeping missions... the only time we attacked another sovereign state was Afghanistan I might add that we have command of the armies there, and we do not use "american kit"... we have our own sub-par stuff.

Really? Then I guess Iraq (1991) and Serbia (1999) don't count? Funny, but your idea of "peace-killing" sure looks like an attack to me. Not to mention some hot action elsewhere in eastern Europe.

Probably a good idea considering they don't believe in Christmas like we do.

Huh? I don't believe in Christmas either, but I still send the cards. It a personal joke, especially for the Taliban.

[M.Dancer]

Really? Then I guess Iraq (1991) and Serbia (1999) don't count?

Nor does Korea...?

[-VMG-]

I do not believe supranational military operations can be put on the hands of Canada completely....

The first gulf war was in partial retaliation to Iraq's actions.... I guess we could debate whether we should have continued into Iraq after pushing them out of Kuwait..

Korea was a U.N. operation.... in defense of South Korea...

I don't have much information of Serbia... but what i have seen is that it was a NATO operation... doesn't relieve Canada of any faults... but it does show that it wasn't just Canada attacking a country... Did Canada lead the attack on serbia? or were we simply part of the operation?

How does the first question about Germany Italy and Japan have any relevance?

Edited December 11, 2008 by -VMG-

[M.Dancer]

The first gulf war was in partial retaliation to Iraq's actions....

there was nothing partial about it. It was the sole reason and the sole goal.

[-VMG-]

there was nothing partial about it. It was the sole reason and the sole goal.

Do you doubt any other motive? The invasion of Kuwait could have simply been a internationally justified invasion of Iraq... Sort of like the Iraq War today... potential weapons of mass destruction was a facade of the real reason they invaded Iraq...

[M.Dancer]

Do you doubt any other motive? The invasion of Kuwait could have simply been a internationally justified invasion of Iraq...

But it wasn't so it didn't. There was no mandate to invade Iraq, only to liberate Kuwait and to end the threat of future invasions. To that end iraq signed off...

Edited December 11, 2008 by M.Dancer