Smallc Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 Oh don't start with that. There are rights guaranteed in the charter plain and simple. Quote
Smallc Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 Ok, thanks, but then why the pandering to the lowest common denominator (I'm actually thinking of someone specific here) rather than rise above the fray and attempt a more unifying discourse? It would be a great thing. I'm not in a position to do such a thing though. Quote
charter.rights Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 Listen buddy, as you write yourself in your description, you're lost. Don't mind M.Dancer. He just likes to try to bafflegab you for his own entertainment. He has no real contribution to any thread, 9 times out of 10. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
M.Dancer Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 Listen buddy, as you write yourself in your description, you're lost. Not democratic enough to answer a simple question? Respect for democracy my arse....separatists have the same respect for democracy as the Chénier cell had for Laporte. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 The majority of the actual people of quebec have continously rejected separation..maybe one day you will repect the democracy that you currently only give lip service to... just in case the separtist and his claim for the respect of democracy missed this....I wonder when the separatists will begin to respect democracy? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
BC_chick Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 First, I believe the Bloc has every right to be in Parliament and to have their say. You are such a pragmatist c, I would like to hear more on your opinion here. What prompts you to say the Bloc deserves to be in parliament when none of the other provinces have the same privilege in the federal government? Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Phacochere Posted December 4, 2008 Author Report Posted December 4, 2008 Not democratic enough to answer a simple question?Respect for democracy my arse....separatists have the same respect for democracy as the Chénier cell had for Laporte. Here's an answer: if there were a referendum on instituting an elected Senate, that was lost by a slim margin, doesw that mean its proponents should stop thinking it is a good idea? Oh, and no need to talk about your arse. Quote
Wilber Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 Here's an answer: if there were a referendum on instituting an elected Senate, that was lost by a slim margin, doesw that mean its proponents should stop thinking it is a good idea?Oh, and no need to talk about your arse. The Senate belongs to all of Canada, not just Quebec. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Phacochere Posted December 4, 2008 Author Report Posted December 4, 2008 You are such a pragmatist c, I would like to hear more on your opinion here. What prompts you to say the Bloc deserves to be in parliament when none of the other provinces have the same privilege in the federal government? If I may, each riding in each provbince is free to elect whomever they choose. There is nothing preventing other regional parties from emerging, the Reform Party is a good example of this. Quote
BC_chick Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 Please stop posting in my thread if you will bring nothing to the discussion. Thanks. Unfortunately you have no control on who gets to post on which thread, but you can control what posts you see from which members. Go into "My Controls" and click on "Manage Ignore List" and add his name. Once in a while you might have to endure seeing his posts when someone else is quoting them, but overall it's a great function. And welcome to the forum. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Phacochere Posted December 4, 2008 Author Report Posted December 4, 2008 The Senate belongs to all of Canada, not just Quebec. I meant a referendum throughout Canada. The impetus would come from the West, not Quebec, as the old Reformers are the most vocal proponents of an elected Senate. Quote
Huston Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 Oh don't start with that. There are rights guaranteed in the charter plain and simple. This is your second post in this thread... have you lived your life yet? This sounds like public school propaganda. Rights cannot be guaruanteed. It is an impossibility unless you want to be a part of the borg collective, a Alex Jones New World Order dystopia, or some other dystopia's found in the cyber punk genre. George's Lucas' THX 1138 sounds like a possible future with Bill C-51. Some rights, huh? Quote
Phacochere Posted December 4, 2008 Author Report Posted December 4, 2008 Unfortunately you have no control on who gets to post on which thread, but you can control what posts you see from which members. Go into "My Controls" and click on "Manage Ignore List" and add his name. Once in a while you might have to endure seeing his posts when someone else is quoting them, but overall it's a great function.And welcome to the forum. Thanks! Quote
Smallc Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 You are such a pragmatist c, I would like to hear more on your opinion here. What prompts you to say the Bloc deserves to be in parliament when none of the other provinces have the same privilege in the federal government? More than anything, its an issue of principle. Any party could conceivably form and have members elected to the house. I would afford those members the same respect no matter what their beliefs as their rights are Guaranteed under sections 2 and 3 of the Charter and simply because I believe it is "right". I don't think that we can pick and choose whose voices should be heard, even if I don't necessarily agree with them. Quote
BC_chick Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 If I may, each riding in each provbince is free to elect whomever they choose. There is nothing preventing other regional parties from emerging, the Reform Party is a good example of this. I guess I have an ideological problem with it. As much as I sympathise with Quebec sovereignty, I find it odd that a federal party is allowed to form when their main objective is to break up the country. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Phacochere Posted December 4, 2008 Author Report Posted December 4, 2008 I guess I have an ideological problem with it. As much as I sympathise with Quebec sovereignty, I find it odd that a federal party is allowed to form when their main objective is to break up the country. Well, they do represent their constituents (me), as they are still citizens of Canada. They are a sovereignist party, but they have to act within the confines of Confederation and IMO they do so with dignity and respect for the institution. Quote
Huston Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 I guess I have an ideological problem with it. As much as I sympathise with Quebec sovereignty, I find it odd that a federal party is allowed to form when their main objective is to break up the country. It makes perfect sense since it is at the federal level that any separation or sovereignty could happen. Quote
charter.rights Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 You are such a pragmatist c, I would like to hear more on your opinion here. What prompts you to say the Bloc deserves to be in parliament when none of the other provinces have the same privilege in the federal government? The point is they could...and it might be good for Canada if they did... The BC Party anyone? Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
Smallc Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 It makes perfect sense since it is at the federal level that any separation or sovereignty could happen. It has to happen at the provincial level. Quote
Huston Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 (edited) It has to happen at the provincial level. That just does not make any sense. What is the province suppose to do for a federal issue? Can you at least explain? Edited December 4, 2008 by Huston Quote
BC_chick Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 Well, they do represent their constituents (me), as they are still citizens of Canada. They are a sovereignist party, but they have to act within the confines of Confederation and IMO they do so with dignity and respect for the institution. They do act within the confines of confederation and they do act with dignity. If they respected the institution though, they would not seek sovereignty. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
BC_chick Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 It makes perfect sense since it is at the federal level that any separation or sovereignty could happen. I thought it was a provincial decision... hence, the referendum. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Wilber Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 I meant a referendum throughout Canada. The impetus would come from the West, not Quebec, as the old Reformers are the most vocal proponents of an elected Senate. I repeat, the Senate belongs to all of Canada, not just Quebec. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Phacochere Posted December 4, 2008 Author Report Posted December 4, 2008 I repeat, the Senate belongs to all of Canada, not just Quebec. Indeed, but I don't understand your point. I was making a comparison that has nothing to do with Quebec sovereignty, it was an example of a situation where losing a vote does not mean you drop your ideas. Quote
Wilber Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 Indeed, but I don't understand your point. I was making a comparison that has nothing to do with Quebec sovereignty, it was an example of a situation where losing a vote does not mean you drop your ideas. Then you should have no problem if all Canadians get to vote in your next referendum. Now do you understand? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
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