Question for Albertans

Chuck U. Farlie · December 3, 2008

Lets speculate for a moment that this coalition happens...

How welcoming would Albertans be to a couple from Ontario immigrating there?

We would be fully prepared and ready to fight for Alberta independence from the rest of Canada.

JerrySeinfeld · December 3, 2008

Lets speculate for a moment that this coalition happens...
How welcoming would Albertans be to a couple from Ontario immigrating there?

We would be fully prepared and ready to fight for Alberta independence from the rest of Canada.

I'd like to see a western separatist movement. Saskatchewan, BC, Alberta. What a wealthy country!

Quebec and Ontario can rot and stew in their own juices and find someone else's cash to prop up their obsolete manufacturing economies.

This coalition SHOULD be the last straw. The reason these 3 jackasses from the "Bloc Torontois" think they can lay their grubby hands on power and do whatever they please with it and our money is because they always have. If the west had a serious separation movement, we would hold WAY more clout than quebec. Quebec is a joke. They have the most unsuccessful separation movement in the history of the qworld, which ba sically implies it's a farce - it's not real. It's a hijack. ANd now Jack Layton and the Liberals are party to it.

DIsgusting.

Alberta_Blue · December 3, 2008

Lets speculate for a moment that this coalition happens...
How welcoming would Albertans be to a couple from Ontario immigrating there?

We would be fully prepared and ready to fight for Alberta independence from the rest of Canada.

we would be more than welcoming, but it may be a ghost province, you may find a lot of people moving out of canada... well thats a bit extreme, but you hear people saying it on the radio shows

JerrySeinfeld · December 3, 2008

we would be more than welcoming, but it may be a ghost province, you may find a lot of people moving out of canada... well thats a bit extreme, but you hear people saying it on the radio shows

I am seriously starting to hate this f*cking country.

The liberals have been shrivelled to a party hiding out in a barricaded hovel called "Toronto" witha leader who just resigned a month and a half ago and somehow they've still found a way to get their grubby hands on power, make the resigned leader into a "Primeminister" and hand the country over to quebec and the socialists - yet again.

I am freaking livid. :angry:

Edited December 3, 2008 by JerrySeinfeld

guyser · December 3, 2008

I am seriously starting to hate this f*cking country.

The you never really loved it.

The liberals have been shrivelled to a party hiding out in a barricaded hovel called "Toronto"
I am freaking livid. :angry:

Toronto is doing just fine thanks.

Try meds, they help. Mary Jane might mellow you out , but there are other drugs you could use.

Get a grip folks,. jeezus.

Alberta_Blue · December 3, 2008

I am seriously starting to hate this f*cking country.
The liberals have been shrivelled to a party hiding out in a barricaded hovel called "Toronto" witha leader who just resigned a month and a half ago and somehow they've still found a way to get their grubby hands on power, make the resigned leader into a "Primeminister" and hand the country over to quebec and the socialists - yet again.

I am freaking livid. :angry:

you are not the only one, this is an outrage... let the budget come out before you start your false claims about how the tories plan to run our country..

i hate the liberals with a passion, and would be 100% for any form of western separtist party, or if push came to shove, a civil war i would back if thats what it took to separate from the east

Chuck U. Farlie · December 3, 2008

I'd be more than happy to move to Alberta and make a go of it... as well as supporting independence.

I have also stated to some that I would leave the country... but I have tried that before it wasn't easy. For one thing, immigration elsewhere takes years and years and usually you are stuck with the worse jobs in the meantime - despite education and skills.

I too, Jerry, am becoming furious with the way this country is going.

Sometimes I wish I still lived in Indonesia where I didn't give a shit about the politics or even the country for that matter... I could always just up and leave if I felt like it - which I finally did. Here I have to deal with politicians that are just as dumb as their Indonesian counter-parts, yet I have a lot more to lose and can't just up and leave as easily here.

JerrySeinfeld · December 3, 2008

I'd be more than happy to move to Alberta and make a go of it... as well as supporting independence.
I have also stated to some that I would leave the country... but I have tried that before it wasn't easy. For one thing, immigration elsewhere takes years and years and usually you are stuck with the worse jobs in the meantime - despite education and skills.

I too, Jerry, am becoming furious with the way this country is going.

Sometimes I wish I still lived in Indonesia where I didn't give a shit about the politics or even the country for that matter... I could always just up and leave if I felt like it - which I finally did. Here I have to deal with politicians that are just as dumb as their Indonesian counter-parts, yet I have a lot more to lose and can't just up and leave as easily here.

I'd rather a country where the gov't leaves everyone alone than a country run by quebec and toronto lawyers who think they can tell everyone else how to live their lives, then grubs onto power and proves it.

As for ALberta Blue's comments, civil war wouldn't be necessary. Ontarians and Quebecers are a bunch of wuss-ass socialist peaceniks. They'd turtle like Sean Avery in a hockey fight.

Edited December 3, 2008 by JerrySeinfeld

JerrySeinfeld · December 3, 2008

Toronto is doing just fine thanks.

It is? Wow. Torontonians are more delusional that I thought. And I don't just mean about Brian Burke being a "saviour". hahahahahahahaa :lol: :blink:

Peter F · December 3, 2008

:rolleyes:

Well, as we used to say in the navy....Farewell and F*ck ya!

<_<

johhny · December 3, 2008

And you guys complain about the BQ being sepratist? Nobody in alberta wants to divide this country this talk is nonsense.

Chuck U. Farlie · December 3, 2008

I'd rather a country where the gov't leaves everyone alone than a country run by quebec and toronto lawyers who think they can tell everyone else how to live their lives, then grubs onto power and proves it.

Tell me about it... I don't know where you live, but try living in Ontario with McGuinty or in Toronto with Miller... both of these clowns are coming up with new things to ban on a daily basis, it seems.

JerrySeinfeld · December 3, 2008

And you guys complain about the BQ being sepratist? Nobody in alberta wants to divide this country this talk is nonsense.

I don't complain about quebec separatism! I cheer for it. PLEASE. LEAVE.

Again: Plleeeeeeease. LEAVE!

The only reason the separatist movement in Alberta isn't stronger is because it's now full of a bunch of Easterners who moved out west where the real future is.

HistoryBuff44 · December 3, 2008

The stupid thing is i think the situation would be very different if they would correct the bloody seat imbalance in the house. If the socialists werent over represented right now, this couldnt happen.

johhny · December 3, 2008

I don't complain about quebec separatism! I cheer for it. PLEASE. LEAVE.
Again: Plleeeeeeease. LEAVE!

The only reason the separatist movement in Alberta isn't stronger is because it's now full of a bunch of Easterners who moved out west where the real future is.

I'm born and bread Albertan 2 generations in this province everyone I know including myself, family and friends do not want to seperate.

William Ashley · December 3, 2008

I'd rather a country where the gov't leaves everyone alone than a country run by quebec and toronto lawyers who think they can tell everyone else how to live their lives, then grubs onto power and proves it.
As for ALberta Blue's comments, civil war wouldn't be necessary. Ontarians and Quebecers are a bunch of wuss-ass socialist peaceniks. They'd turtle like Sean Avery in a hockey fight.

Perhaps if government was less partisan - eg. no parties allowed people with the skills and all walks of life could be in cabinet. Also the three major parties federally represent parties got votes from most ridings.

One of the sad elements of the system as it is now is that it doesn't give second place and third place ect.. finishers in the local ridings representation. Personally I think all votes should count.

Even federally though, the conservatives do not have a majority by seats or popular vote. I think Canada would be better off if Cabinet wasn't actually MP's.

Edited December 3, 2008 by William Ashley

guyser · December 3, 2008

I'm born and bread Albertan 2 generations in this province everyone I know including myself, family and friends do not want to seperate.

Not surprising, as I have extensive family out there. Its always the whiners that are heard.Much ado about nothing.

guyser · December 3, 2008

Ontarians and Quebecers are a bunch of wuss-ass socialist peaceniks. They'd turtle like Sean Avery in a hockey fight.

Too funny.

Go brush your tooth jerry.

JerrySeinfeld · December 3, 2008

Too funny.
Go brush your tooth jerry.

Too busy paying for your healthcare, guyser.

kimmy · December 3, 2008

Talk of separation is pretty silly.

Among my family and friends, I have heard lots of people talk about separation in a flippant way, but never in a serious way. I think the famous "Republic of Alberta" bumper-stickers represent a hearty "up yours" to old-line Ottawa politics, not an actual intent to separate. For the most part.

Among my family and friends, I've never heard serious separatist sentiment, but what I did used to hear all the time is utter contempt and cynicism with regard to federal politics in Canada. The belief that the Liberals care about little outside of the Windsor-Montreal corridor... the belief that the Progressive Conservatives stabbed us in the back... the belief that our paltry handful of MPs just doesn't matter in Ottawa anyway, that we could send Liberal, send PC, or send the Moose Party, it's all the same: a token representation with no impact at all... the belief that the Liberals could legalize kindergarten prostitution rings and Ontario voters would still put them in power.

Harper's victory in 2006 challenged all of this cynicism. For almost 3 years, the system delivered a result that made people think "wow, this thing ... actually works?"

This coalition, though, it will reignite all of the cynicism with an intensity that exceeds the darkest days of the Gomery Inquiry. It can't do anything but make people decide that federal politics in this country is more broken than they ever imagined.

-k

JerrySeinfeld · December 3, 2008

Talk of separation is pretty silly.
Among my family and friends, I have heard lots of people talk about separation in a flippant way, but never in a serious way. I think the famous "Republic of Alberta" bumper-stickers represent a hearty "up yours" to old-line Ottawa politics, not an actual intent to separate. For the most part.

Kimmy, that may well be true. And the lack of strong support for the topic is bolstered by the massive influx of easterners into the province - with roots elsewhere.

But let's talk seriously about it for a moment.

Aside from outdated nationalist sentiments, can you think of what Alberta gets out of confederation?

Or put another way: look at the benefits of secession. The pure wealth. The self-determination. The lack of millions being funnelled to Ottawa each month. Not being told what to do by someone else.

There are a lot of benefits to secession - logically speaking. Not too many benefits to confederation, logically speaking, for Albertans or Western Canadians.

Even better would be a Canada without Quebec. Think of the peace, the prosperity, the self control our country would have in the absense of Quebec.

Go Quebec Go!

Wild Bill · December 3, 2008

And you guys complain about the BQ being sepratist? Nobody in alberta wants to divide this country this talk is nonsense.

What planet do you live on? I live in Ontario and even I know enough history to know that western separatist sentiment has been around for generations, in significant numbers. Ever hear of the Crow rate?

I can't for the life of me understand why Albertans stuck around this long! If I weren't too poor, old and fat I might emigrate there myself. I find myself trapped right in the middle of madness, with no hope of escape.

Wild Bill · December 3, 2008

I'm born and bread Albertan 2 generations in this province everyone I know including myself, family and friends do not want to seperate.

well. that's maybe a dozen or so.

Would you be comfortable if they held a vote on it? like maybe, the day after Dion takes power?

BC_chick · December 3, 2008

Go Quebec Go!

How is Canada better without Quebec? Because they're a bunch of ungrateful @#$# who want to separate every time things don't go their way? :rolleyes:

Edited December 3, 2008 by BC_chick

JerrySeinfeld · December 3, 2008

How is Canada better without Quebec? Because they're a bunch of ungrateful @#$# who want to separate every time things don't go their way?

Canada is better without Quebec because Quebec is a distinct society! They have said as much themselves.

But more to the point, given the constant, endless ongoing consitutional wrangling, ransoms by the Bloc, billions in unrecoverable transfer payments, threats to separate from the dominion, refusal to adopt and sign the constitution, heartwrenching referenda, speak a different language, have different beliefs and culture, the more pertinent question is:

How is Canada better with Quebec?