What the Governor General Has to Do!

[GostHacked]

Governments don't create jobs, the privatre sector does.

How does that famous quote go??

“The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy”.

Yes the government can create jobs.

[Wild Bill]

Lemme see how this works. Harper can be removed because he has lost the confidence of MP's. Yet he was installed by the will of the people.

Now the Opposition MPs don't feel they should have to prove they have the confidence of the people, because they have the confidence of the House of MPs, in essence themselves. In fact, they intend to make the man who commanded the least confidence from the people in history the leader of the people.

I have a hunch that a large number of voters are NEVER going to forget this one!

[Easterner]

Just watching the news. Dion Duceppe and Layton just signed the agreement. Dion and Duceppe sat close together. The seperatist/socialist and idiot show is about to begin. With Dion at the helm I can't wait to be the brunt of the international comedy circuit. A bloodless coup is about to take place.....well so far anyway.

[jdobbin]

Lemme see how this works. Harper can be removed because he has lost the confidence of MP's. Yet he was installed by the will of the people.

He was installed only in his riding.

Now the Opposition MPs don't feel they should have to prove they have the confidence of the people, because they have the confidence of the House of MPs, in essence themselves. In fact, they intend to make the man who commanded the least confidence from the people in history the leader of the people.

It is the confidence of the MPs that matters in our system.

I have a hunch that a large number of voters are NEVER going to forget this one!

Well, certainly the 37% who voted Tory might not.

[jdobbin]

A bloodless coup is about to take place.....well so far anyway.

Are you planning on violence to stop it?

[TomS]

Lemme see how this works. Harper can be removed because he has lost the confidence of MP's. Yet he was installed by the will of the people.

Now the Opposition MPs don't feel they should have to prove they have the confidence of the people, because they have the confidence of the House of MPs, in essence themselves. In fact, they intend to make the man who commanded the least confidence from the people in history the leader of the people.

I have a hunch that a large number of voters are NEVER going to forget this one!

I certainly hope they never forget this

[Easterner]

He was installed only in his riding.

It is the confidence of the MPs that matters in our system.

Well, certainly the 37% who voted Tory might not.

hey Jdobbin,

What do you think of Dion signing on with Duceppe and do you think most Liberals are going to see that as a good thing signing on with a party that wants to separate Canada

[jdobbin]

hey Jdobbin,

What do you think of Dion signing on with Duceppe and do you think most Liberals are going to see that as a good thing signing on with a party that wants to separate Canada

I think that Canadians will support the defeat of Stephen Harper by about 60%.

[TomS]

He was installed only in his riding.

It is the confidence of the MPs that matters in our system.

Well, certainly the 37% who voted Tory might not.

I would expect more than the 37% will remember this. There must be some voters who supported other parties must be embarrassed by this display. They cannot be proud of their parties actions

[jdobbin]

I would expect more than the 37% will remember this. There must be some voters who supported other parties must be embarrassed by this display. They cannot be proud of their parties actions

Tories seem proud of the fact that Harper acted like a first rate horse's ass.

Edited December 1, 2008 by jdobbin

[Easterner]

I think that Canadians will support the defeat of Stephen Harper by about 60%.

So you think the GG will order another election then. But you said last night that Dion would not be the leader either.

[Easterner]

Tories seem proud of the fact that Harper acted like a first horse's ass.

I will give you that during this last episode but do you not really think Dion is really a full time bumbling idiot.

[TomS]

So you think the GG will order another election then. But you said last night that Dion would not be the leader either.

I hope the GG forces the losing parties to go to the people for confidence. Ofcourse they don't want to do that because they are afraid of the voters

[jdobbin]

So you think the GG will order another election then.

I never said that. I said that it would be hard for her not to turn to the Opposition if the presented themselves as a coalition.

But you said last night that Dion would not be the leader either.

I said it would depend on the Bloc and NDP. They've accepted him as PM.

I also said that it would depend on the Liberal caucus. I thought it would be hard for him to convince the caucus but in the end he did.

[Easterner]

I hope the GG forces the losing parties to go to the people for confidence. Ofcourse they don't want to do that because they are afraid of the voters

Yes I agree!

They need to go back to the people........period

[jdobbin]

I hope the GG forces the losing parties to go to the people for confidence. Ofcourse they don't want to do that because they are afraid of the voters

I say go to an election. If Harper doesn't get over 50% of the vote, I think the Opposition should present themselves to the Governor General again as a coalition ready to govern.

[jdobbin]

Yes I agree!

They need to go back to the people........period

Elections every couple of months!

[TomS]

I say go to an election. If Harper doesn't get over 50% of the vote, I think the Opposition should present themselves to the Governor General again as a coalition ready to govern.

Sounds good. Let the Liberals, NDP, and Seperatists run on the coalition platform, and the Conservatives will probably get that elusive 50%. Has anybody ever got 51%?

[Wild Bill]

I think that Canadians will support the defeat of Stephen Harper by about 60%.

Hey jdobbin, do you think the Liberals are finally getting past their challenges in making headway in Alberta? Gotta maintain that "truly national party" commitment, after all.

I found your comment about Harper being only elected in his own riding quite interesting. It implies that a party leader is only a factor in his own riding.

Last election, I rather thought that Dion had proved otherwise.

Whatever, we may be witnessing just how apathetic or not Canadians really have become! Toppling Harper is really a minor moment in history. Governments have fallen many times before. What makes this situation different is the use of a 'coalition' to avoid allowing the people an immediate and direct say in the result.

The Opposition apparently believe that the majority of Canadians don't care, will become convinced by the coalition's spectacular good governance over the time before the next election, or share their hate for Harper anyway. They also seem to believe that Canadians in general will not believe that it has anything to do with election financing.

I find myself wanting to see how this plays out! It will be a direct test of different philosophies of government. Darwinism at it's finest. As I've posted before, since Reform died I haven't had an inspiring choice anyway. I would prefer that the Opposition be royally punished for a move that I consider undemocratic, if not immoral. Still, if the majority of my fellow Canadians are going to be happy with this occurrence then perhaps it would be best to know that for certain and let it dictate future actions.

Edited December 1, 2008 by Wild Bill

[Easterner]

Hey jdobbin, do you think the Liberals are finally getting past their challenges in making headway in Alberta? Gotta maintain that "truly national party" commitment, after all.

I found your comment about Harper being only elected in his own riding quite interesting. It implies that a party leader is only a factor in his own riding.

Last election, I rather thought that Dion had proved otherwise.

Whatever, we may be witnessing just how apathetic or not Canadians really have become! Toppling Harper is really a minor moment in history. Governments have fallen many times before. What makes this situation different is the use of a 'coalition' to avoid allowing the people an immediate and direct say in the result.

The Opposition apparently believe that the majority of Canadians don't care, will become convinced by the coalition's spectacular good governance over the time before the next election, or share their hate for Harper anyway. They also seem to believe that Canadians in general will not believe that it has anything to do with election financing.

I find myself wanting to see how this plays out! It will be a direct test of different philosophies of government. Darwinism at it's finest. As I've posted before, since Reform died I haven't had an inspiring choice anyway. I would prefer that the Opposition be royally punished for a move that I consider undemocratic, if not immoral. Still, if the majority of my fellow Canadians are going to be happy with this occurrence then perhaps it would be best to know that for certain and let it dictate future actions.

Very well said!!!!!!!!!!!

[johhny]

political parties are going to have to learn to work together if they hope to get anything done. S.H. has failed spectacularly at this, not once but now twice.

[Wild Bill]

Tories seem proud of the fact that Harper acted like a first horse's ass.

Despite my objection to their response, as far as Harper's provocation I would agree with you! Manning would never have done such a thing.

Any good salesman knows that in a negotiation it's wise to give your rival an out, in the direction you want him to go. The Opposition parties could likely not survive losing guaranteed public money. They simply don't have the structure in place to raise money voluntarily donated in any significant amounts. We can argue about the morality of that but it really doesn't matter as far as what Harper did.

Harper put them in the position of a cornered rat! They had no out. It was stupid to expect them to meekly accept it. Perhaps this coalition coup and installing Dion is political suicide. It's still a better choice! A desperate choice maybe but Harper left them with no other. A coup will buy them some time. They may fare badly in the next election but at least they'll be alive! In politics things can change quickly. Another term or two and they could be back on their feet, stronger than ever.

One thing's for sure, they will have made certain that they have enough cash coming in from voluntary donations to avoid ever being in that position again.

[jdobbin]

Hey jdobbin, do you think the Liberals are finally getting past their challenges in making headway in Alberta? Gotta maintain that "truly national party" commitment, after all.

Alberta is more or less a one party state. There are no breakthroughs to be made there on a provincial or federal level.

I found your comment about Harper being only elected in his own riding quite interesting. It implies that a party leader is only a factor in his own riding.

No, it implies that Harper was not directly elected PM nor was his party directly elected government.

Whatever, we may be witnessing just how apathetic or not Canadians really have become! Toppling Harper is really a minor moment in history. Governments have fallen many times before. What makes this situation different is the use of a 'coalition' to avoid allowing the people an immediate and direct say in the result.

They never had a direct vote for the government.

The Opposition apparently believe that the majority of Canadians don't care, will become convinced by the coalition's spectacular good governance over the time before the next election, or share their hate for Harper anyway. They also seem to believe that Canadians in general will not believe that it has anything to do with election financing.

The majority of Canadians didn't vote for the Tories. Period.

I find myself wanting to see how this plays out! It will be a direct test of different philosophies of government. Darwinism at it's finest. As I've posted before, since Reform died I haven't had an inspiring choice anyway. I would prefer that the Opposition be royally punished for a move that I consider undemocratic, if not immoral. Still, if the majority of my fellow Canadians are going to be happy with this occurrence then perhaps it would be best to know that for certain and let it dictate future actions.

It isn't undemocratic. As far as morals, Harper has already shown to have none.

[jdobbin]

Sounds good. Let the Liberals, NDP, and Seperatists run on the coalition platform, and the Conservatives will probably get that elusive 50%. Has anybody ever got 51%?

Not in recent memory. You must think that they will win massively in Quebec.

[Wild Bill]

political parties are going to have to learn to work together if they hope to get anything done. S.H. has failed spectacularly at this, not once but now twice.

Yeah, and the Opposition coalition parties will be guaranteed shoo-ins to get the support of all the Tory MPs.