Coalition Government

[jdobbin]

I'm pretty dissapointed in them to but what is your alternative, a week coalition between parties that are totaly incompatible? Whether dobbin likes to admit it or not, Canadian liberals have more in common with Canadian conservatives than they do the NDP and the Bloc has an agenda all its own which doesn't include the ROC.

The Bloc is not part of the coalition. It will support or not support the government as it sees fit.

I'm not all that in favour of bending to NDP policies of immediately leaving Afghanistan or $50 billion in restoring business taxes. Dealbreaker right there.

However, if the NDP wants to join in a stimulus package focused on infrastructure, by all means, let's go.

Harper wanted to play hardball. In his determination to destroy the Liberals in every way possible, he didn't envision them finally standing up and saying no. Minorities depend on confidence and Harper was going to go to an election in the next months and everyone could feel it happening.

He didn't give a care about the economy except how to blame it on the Liberals.

The best solution for the country at this point is for Harper to back off and learn something from this, even if it means eating a little crow and the opposition should be satisfied with that, for now at least.

I said months ago that I have seen no evidence that Harper was not going to play the same games, shout coward and not merely trying to govern but to destroy the Opposition. It is time for him to go and maybe a new Tory leader will show some moderation.

His brinkmanship and hyperpartisanship got him this.

Edited November 29, 2008 by jdobbin

[jdobbin]

I believe that it is the Canadian taxpayer who is doing the giving and that is something for the Liberals to contemplate, not Harper.

Harper has already authorized a deficit. That was enough for many to say his time had come. He put the country into this situation with his rampant spending and tax cuts according to the budget officer. Certainly the economy went down but Canada was well positioned not to go into deficit and would have had some spending room to stimulate the economy if Harper had not left the cupboard bare.

Harper knows no other strategy but politics is war.

[madmax]

No my friend, it will be the Canadian people who get burned because of this, no matter how it turns out.

[capricorn]

The Bloc is not part of the coalition. It will support or not support the government as it sees fit.

The Bloc's votes would carry a lot of weight in a coalition. Maybe the Bloc will find a way to reward the Conservatives for all the goodies thrown at Quebec.

[jdobbin]

The Bloc's votes would carry a lot of weight in a coalition. Maybe the Bloc will find a way to reward the Conservatives for all the goodies thrown at Quebec.

Maybe, I guess that is one thing to be happy about amidst a possible Tory leadership convention.

[Wilber]

The Bloc is not part of the coalition. It will support or not support the government as it sees fit.

Horse feces, the Bloc will will require a stiff price be paid for its support which will means it will be part of a coalition whether anyone admits it or not.

His brinkmanship and hyperpartisanship got him this.

Only a pure polititian would maintain that this is about him and not us.

[Slim MacSquinty]

Maybe, I guess that is one thing to be happy about amidst a possible Tory leadership convention.

It seems partisanship trumps patriotism.

[Oleg Bach]

Don't be so gleeful. From the frying pan into the fire - So "By by Harper and hello covert Ignatigus..this may not be a Harper power plan.

[jdobbin]

It seems partisanship trumps patriotism.

Meaning?

[Oleg Bach]

There is no sign of patriotism at all in Ottawa - I say fire them all....and maybe parachute Ignatius into a senatorial position south of the boarder.

[jdobbin]

Horse feces, the Bloc will will require a stiff price be paid for its support which will means it will be part of a coalition whether anyone admits it or not.

If the BQ want an election next month, then we go to an election.

Harper was going to call one anyway so what's the difference?

Only a pure polititian would maintain that this is about him and not us.

Only those in denial would think Harper has nothing to do with what is happening on the coalition front. He decided to not be conciliatory and played hardball.

He shouldn't be surprised. Harper wrote the Governor General in 2004 to say that if he brought the government down to give him the opportunity to form a coalition. Who exactly was he going to do that with?

Edited November 29, 2008 by jdobbin

[Slim MacSquinty]

Seems you'd be happy to see the BQ weild power in our federal house just long long as damage is done to the Tories, at what cost do you seek you vengence?

[jdobbin]

Seems you'd be happy to see the BQ weild power in our federal house just long long as damage is done to the Tories, at what cost do you seek you vengence?

Please. The BQ will vote as the BQ pleases.

The Tories were prepared to eviscerate the Liberals and sit tight on the economy all the while shouting coward across the floors of the House. The bullying is what got them into this.

[Oleg Bach]

Learned a long while ago when you want to go after someone in a court - You go after what they love - and what is their god...MONEY - no way in hell should we waste more money on an election so politicans can have MORE money - they make enough to operate - now opertate! That's all this idiot can say..They love their money more than the people..This is NOT leadership.

[Wilber]

If the BQ want an election next month, then we go to an election.

Harper was going to call one anyway so what's the difference?

Only those in denial would think Harper has nothing to do with what is happening on the coalition front. He decided to not be conciliatory and played hardball.

He shouldn't be surprised. Harper wrote the Governor General in 2004 to say that if he brought the government down to give him the opportunity to form a coalition. Who exactly was he going to do that with?

Like I said, a pure politician.

There is no sign of patriotism at all in Ottawa - I say fire them all....and maybe parachute Ignatius into a senatorial position south of the boarder.

Now that's a hell of an idea.

[BornAlbertan]

More Canadian bullshit.

A government was chosen by a minority of the popular vote...something as a Conservative I think is wrong. But i also think it is wrong to have so many parties splitting the vote.

I most certainly think it is also wrong to utilize a "loophole" in the Westminster parliamentary system to essentially enact a legal coup d'etat and put a governing body in that nobody voted for. If this goes forward somehow I will be so god damned absolutely outraged...even the suggestion of it has my blood boiling.

This sort of thing would result in civil war in some countries!!! But we as sheep will merely be content if the sun comes up in the morning.

[jdobbin]

Like I said, a pure politician.

Pure denial.

Harper is probably aghast that someone used his strategy against him.

Edited November 29, 2008 by jdobbin

[Slim MacSquinty]

Please. The BQ will vote as the BQ pleases.

But it usually doesn't represent the balance of power and hence limits their ability to apply extortion to the government.

The Tories were prepared to eviscerate the Liberals and sit tight on the economy all the while shouting coward across the floors of the House. The bullying is what got them into this.

So the Tories wish to defeat their political enemies, and the Liberals took no liberties when the cons were down to a handful of seats? Chretien changed electoral boundaries to try and keep them out. Your white hat vs black hat vision of the world is a little naive.

But of more concern to me is the spiteful approach wherein we can all suffer, so long as vengence is delivered.

Edited November 29, 2008 by Slim MacSquinty

[jdobbin]

I most certainly think it is also wrong to utilize a "loophole" in the Westminster parliamentary system to essentially enact a legal coup d'etat and put a governing body in that nobody voted for. If this goes forward somehow I will be so god damned absolutely outraged...even the suggestion of it has my blood boiling.

It isn't a loophole. It is part of the responsible government system.

This sort of thing would result in civil war in some countries!!! But we as sheep will merely be content if the sun comes up in the morning.

Hopefully, some people will contain their violent natures and just vote if they want change.

[jdobbin]

But it usually doesn't represent the balance of power and hence limits their ability to apply extortion to the government.

This is different from the present minority government?

So the Tories wish to defeat their political enemies, and the Liberals took no liberties when the cons were down to a handful of seats? Chretien changed electoral boundaries to try and keep them out. Your white hat vs black hat vision of the world is a little naive.

Your view that the Liberals wouldn't eventually say no to Harper is fairly naive as well.

But of more concern to me is the spiteful approach wherein we can all suffer, so long as vengence is delivered.

Since Harper is not likely to change, I suspect this is the only thing he will understand.

[Alta4ever]

So here's the big question what would the NDP and Liberals have to sell out to the Bloc to form their coalition? Are they really willing to work with seperatists to regain power?

Please Chrieten do sell the country out just one more time.

If Layton had any kind of head on his shoulders he would have seen a huge opportunity in this. He would have been able to gain a whole lot of power from the 3 other parties change the name of the NDP to Labour Party of Canada and haveis party form a government in 5 to 10 years. For the prospect of a few cabinate seats for 6 months to a year. Typical though no forward thought.

[Wilber]

Pure denial.

Harper is probably aghast that someone used his strategy against him.

Maybe he is but you demonstrate in every post that for you this is all about Harper and not the country. Bottom line is regardless of who forms it, we are in for a bickering parliament with an unstable government for the foreseeable future at a time when we need exactly the opposite. None of them can avoid responsibility for that.

[Shakeyhands]

Blink.

Too bad, it was all just getting interesting. I guess the CPC will really have to drive to a consensus and work with all of parliament going forward instead of just payoing lip service to it.

[bluegreen]

More Canadian bullshit.

A government was chosen by a minority of the popular vote...something as a Conservative I think is wrong. But i also think it is wrong to have so many parties splitting the vote.

I most certainly think it is also wrong to utilize a "loophole" in the Westminster parliamentary system to essentially enact a legal coup d'etat and put a governing body in that nobody voted for. If this goes forward somehow I will be so god damned absolutely outraged...even the suggestion of it has my blood boiling.

This sort of thing would result in civil war in some countries!!! But we as sheep will merely be content if the sun comes up in the morning.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha HA! Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho HO!

It seems that the shoe is on the other foot now. I watched aghast as the same crew of nasty Cons played the politics of division in Ontario. They enraged the unions, who do after all have a legal right of association, and a long history in Canada. They baited all opponents, and played RUTHLESS power politics with Toronto, as they serial raped the city. Unions are not neat and tidy, and often City politics is fractious, but Ontario PC's enraged them to distract and polarise the electorate, while encouraging their rural and suburban base. It was repellent to watch them play such games, seemingly for fun and profit.

Flaherty played the exact same cards here when he attempted to abolish the rights of public sector unions to strike. He baited the opposition with electoral funding, and failed to meet the early promise of consultation in a minority government. With no attempt whatsoever to consult, he made a bold assumption that despite lacking a majority mandate, he could govern with an iron fist without the confidence of Parliament. For once, Churchill showed up at Munich instead of Chamberlain, and the straw man was knocked down.

Nobody cries much when a bully gets his comeuppance, and frankly, the CPC SCREWED THEMSELVES. I am looking forward to a productive minority government until next summers election, when the CRAP will be banished to the backwoods where they belong

[Slim MacSquinty]

Your view that the Liberals wouldn't eventually say no to Harper is fairly naive as well.

Perhaps I was naive in underestimating the Liberals greed for both power and money.