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[AngusThermopyle]

Sure you have. You buy into their arguments, whether it's through fear or guilt I can't say; but one way or another their arguments have gotten to you and forced to believe that you have to accept their lifestyle because of issues in your own life.

Wow! You really are way out there on this one, not that thats unusual.

So, in your mind, I have bought into some evil secret agenda because I believe people should have the right to choose who they wish to be with without interference from others?

Why do you think for even a second that what these people do in their private lives is any of your business at all?

Then, after showing everyone just how invalid your arguement is you compound the error by making some huge assumptions with no basis in reality at all.

No one has "forced" me to accept anything. Just because I'm not some nut condemning people on the basis of an old story book and some imaginary magical character who tells us who to hate and what to believe, you assume I've been "forced".

Then you further assume I believe in letting people live as they wish because of some "issues" that you seem to have pulled out of thin air. Really, you should not talk about others having "issues" when everything you post would appear to indicate some pretty major issues in your life.

So come on. Explain how believing other peoples personal lives are none of my or your business indicates "issues".

Then you can explain how believing you have the right to pass judgement and condemn others for purely personal decisions that are none of your business and do not affect you in any way at all does not indicate "issues".

Now, would you care to post any more irrational and invalid thoughts on this subject? Maybe make some more stuff up to amuse us?

[Kitch]

Frankly I really don't believe in the whole gay thing either - I have asked a number of gays this question - IF - I took you and the most beautiful angelic woman and put you on an island - and returned in two years would there be a child? All said yes - Lesbians dispise men that act like aggressive self serving monkeys - as do gays who in their hearts dispise aggressive man like woman who are abusive.

Have you ever asked somebody who was incarcerated for a significant amount of time... who also engaged in sodomy... if they were gay? It happens in prison, as I'm sure you know. By using your logic, the gay people who would procreate on an island are not gay for that reason, so prisoners who engage in sodomy while incarcerated ARE gay.

[Kitch]

I think that all of you who are discussing your own definitions of homosexuality are missing the point. Even those of you who try to make assertions regarding your own definition of marriage don't seem to get it.

What right do you have to determine the way a person lives their life so long as the choices they make don't negatively affect other people?

'Your' definition of marriage might apply to you and your wife/husband/partner, but who the hell does anybody think they are to try to apply that to anybody else's relationship??? And what does it matter what any of us thinks it means to be homosexual? Two dudes throwing it to each other doesn't affect anybody but those two dudes. What problem do any of you REALLY have with that?

[Kitch]

We have leftist like Mayor Miller of Toronto who uses the gay population for political gain

I find this funny. I describe myself as a leftist and consider Miller right-wing. But, whatever's clever. I'm just getting a little irritated at how you and others consistently label anything that you disagree with as the will of the "left".

[Oleg Bach]

I find this funny. I describe myself as a leftist and consider Miller right-wing. But, whatever's clever. I'm just getting a little irritated at how you and others consistently label anything that you disagree with as the will of the "left".

It's easy and it's quick. After all it is an instant gratification society. Could be more daring and hard working and say that the right wing conservatives hold the bulk of the real wealth and the lefty liberals are their duped emotional henchmen that do the dirty work. Smart people understand that there is no left or right that it is in effect a kind and more gentle facism...but I won't say that. Miller operates as a socials pacifier but every move he makes enhances the riches of the right - and the left get the crumbs...same old game since time began - happy now?

[Kitch]

Smart people understand that there is no left or right

I think I'm kind of smart.

[Oleg Bach]

I think I'm kind of smart.

Thinking does not always make things so - but it is a start. The only thing I gleaned out of Christianity and there was really not much left after countless re-visions and bastardizations - was that this Judean King - was a master of logic that made Plato look like a junior student - Truth = realty = logic......That was the message - not some virgin birth or wine water or dead rotten people walking about - but who knows - with total realty - may be total power. Just make sure to cut a deal with the Roman state - better to be on the payroll than a living legend...Yes you are smart and there are all sorts of KINDS of smart - we all have our gifts - in fact it is said that never call a man stupid - no one is totally stupid..and all have something to offer.

[Kitch]

Thinking does not always make things so - but it is a start. The only thing I gleaned out of Christianity and there was really not much left after countless re-visions and bastardizations - was that this Judean King - was a master of logic that made Plato look like a junior student - Truth = realty = logic......That was the message - not some virgin birth or wine water or dead rotten people walking about - but who knows - with total realty - may be total power. Just make sure to cut a deal with the Roman state - better to be on the payroll than a living legend...Yes you are smart and there are all sorts of KINDS of smart - we all have our gifts - in fact it is said that never call a man stupid - no one is totally stupid..and all have something to offer.

I would like to quote Shakespeare by saying that "nothing is either good or bad but thinking makes it so". Because knowledge exists only in the mind of it's possessor. But, I'm no psychologist/philosopher and this isn't the thread for that.

But thank you. I would like to acknowledge your particular flavour of smarts too. But give a go at some of my other posts... particularly the ones that deal with this thread... please?

Edited November 8, 2008 by Kitch

[eyeball]

Just because on the surface gays are "nice" or "good bunch to hang out with" doesn't mean that their lifestyle isn't what it is: evil.

What's on you're surface when you're confronted with gays? Do you put on a "nice" facade to make it appear you're a good person to hang out with or are you honest about who and what you really are and try to shove your agenda down their throats?

People like you make me sick and I don't think you're healthy for the rest of society either. If somebody suggested that you all be rounded up and quarantined I'd probably give the idea at least some consideration.

[kengs333]

What's on you're surface when you're confronted with gays? Do you put on a "nice" facade to make it appear you're a good person to hang out with or are you honest about who and what you really are and try to shove your agenda down their throats?

Oh, yeah, my agenda... It really must be difficult for people like you to accept that there are still people in this world who prefer it to be free from evil and sin.

People like you make me sick and I don't think you're healthy for the rest of society either. If somebody suggested that you all be rounded up and quarantined I'd probably give the idea at least some consideration.

You see, I've never made that suggestion about gays, so looks to me like you're actually more "intolerant" than me. If you think a person wanting a society where people aren't evil and live free from sin is not "healthy," then it only speaks to your own nature.

[Kitch]

Could you define 'evil' and explain more clearly how gay people are 'evil'?

[kengs333]

So, in your mind, I have bought into some evil secret agenda because I believe people should have the right to choose who they wish to be with without interference from others?

Well I don't think that the "agenda" is all that secret...

Why do you think for even a second that what these people do in their private lives is any of your business at all?

Because it results in evil and sin existing in a society that I have to live in, that's why.

Then, after showing everyone just how invalid your arguement is you compound the error by making some huge assumptions with no basis in reality at all.

I never claimed that you are an intelligent person...

No one has "forced" me to accept anything.

Not in a physical sense, but guaranteed there was a period when you stuggled with the issue and concluded that you really had no choice but to accept the gay rights dogma because you'd essentially be a hypocrite not to. That's how sin and evil works.

Just because I'm not some nut condemning people on the basis of an old story book and some imaginary magical character who tells us who to hate and what to believe, you assume I've been "forced".

I've never read Grimm's Fairy Tales, so I don't know if it promotes hate, but according to the Bible, sin is evil and wrong; if you believe that condemming sin is "hate" then you've got some serious problems.

Then you further assume I believe in letting people live as they wish because of some "issues" that you seem to have pulled out of thin air. Really, you should not talk about others having "issues" when everything you post would appear to indicate some pretty major issues in your life.

Ever taken drugs, assaulted someone, had anal intercourse, oral sex, impure thoughts about a child or sibling, lied, stolen, cheated???? Do you engage in that kind of behaviour on a continuous basis? I'm sure you do with some, so that would mean that you have no moral basis for refusing to accept homosexuality as normal. That's how sin and evil works.

Then you can explain how believing you have the right to pass judgement and condemn others for purely personal decisions that are none of your business and do not affect you in any way at all does not indicate "issues".

That's the thing, I'm not condemning anyone. That's a typical gay rights movement sham argument. They condemn themselves; they possess a free will, and they choose evil and sin.

Now, would you care to post any more irrational and invalid thoughts on this subject? Maybe make some more stuff up to amuse us?

I don't find you or this issue at all amusing.

[kengs333]

So, in your mind, I have bought into some evil secret agenda because I believe people should have the right to choose who they wish to be with without interference from others?

Well I don't think that the "agenda" is all that secret...

Why do you think for even a second that what these people do in their private lives is any of your business at all?

Because it results in evil and sin existing in a society that I have to live in, that's why.

Then, after showing everyone just how invalid your arguement is you compound the error by making some huge assumptions with no basis in reality at all.

I never claimed that you are an intelligent person...

No one has "forced" me to accept anything.

Not in a physical sense, but guaranteed there was a period when you stuggled with the issue and concluded that you really had no choice but to accept the gay rights dogma because you'd essentially be a hypocrite not to. That's how sin and evil works.

Just because I'm not some nut condemning people on the basis of an old story book and some imaginary magical character who tells us who to hate and what to believe, you assume I've been "forced".

I've never read Grimm's Fairy Tales, so I don't know if it promotes hate, but according to the Bible, sin is evil and wrong; if you believe that condemming sin is "hate" then you've got some serious problems.

Then you further assume I believe in letting people live as they wish because of some "issues" that you seem to have pulled out of thin air. Really, you should not talk about others having "issues" when everything you post would appear to indicate some pretty major issues in your life.

Ever taken drugs, assaulted someone, had anal intercourse, oral sex, impure thoughts about a child or sibling, lied, stolen, cheated???? Do you engage in that kind of behaviour on a continuous basis? I'm sure you do with some, so that would mean that you have no moral basis for refusing to accept homosexuality as normal. That's how sin and evil works.

Then you can explain how believing you have the right to pass judgement and condemn others for purely personal decisions that are none of your business and do not affect you in any way at all does not indicate "issues".

That's the thing, I'm not condemning anyone. That's a typical gay rights movement sham argument. They condemn themselves; they possess a free will, and they choose evil and sin.

Now, would you care to post any more irrational and invalid thoughts on this subject? Maybe make some more stuff up to amuse us?

I don't find you or this issue at all amusing.

[marksman]

Because it results in evil and sin existing in a society that I have to live in, that's why.

You mean like the evil and sin of judging others? Looks like you don't have as much problem with sin as you claim.

I never claimed that you are an intelligent person...

Not in a physical sense, but guaranteed there was a period when you stuggled with the issue and concluded that you really had no choice but to accept the gay rights dogma because you'd essentially be a hypocrite not to. That's how sin and evil works.

So not being a hypocrite is evil and sinful? Evil and sin work through intolerance and seeing others as inferior which is what you're doing with homosexuals.

I've never read Grimm's Fairy Tales, so I don't know if it promotes hate, but according to the Bible, sin is evil and wrong; if you believe that condemming sin is "hate" then you've got some serious problems.

And yet you engage in sins that the Bible says is wrong. You're judging others and probably wearing clothes of mixed fibers.

Ever taken drugs, assaulted someone, had anal intercourse, oral sex, impure thoughts about a child or sibling, lied, stolen, cheated???? Do you engage in that kind of behaviour on a continuous basis? I'm sure you do with some, so that would mean that you have no moral basis for refusing to accept homosexuality as normal. That's how sin and evil works.

That's the thing, I'm not condemning anyone. That's a typical gay rights movement sham argument. They condemn themselves; they possess a free will, and they choose evil and sin.

All that pesky evidence that shows sexual orientation is not a choice doesn't count then according to you. And don't be stupid you're condemning homosexuals. All of your posts talking about their evil and sin is condemning them.

I don't find you or this issue at all amusing.

Watching people like you argue for intolerance and inequality isn't amusing at all. Watching your hypocrisy is slightly more amusing but only because it shows how weak all of your arguments are.

[AngusThermopyle]

You know Kengs, if your posts did not promote hatred and intolerance you'd be funny.

But they do and you're not.

The only good thing is that you are in a very small minority when it comes to this issue and can easily be ignored as a hypocrite. Therefore your opinion is not relevant as you can only support it by using hypocrasy and intolerance based on an absurd old book. Not to mention making assumptions and other things up that you could not possibly know about .

Yet you accuse others of stupidity while parading such absurd behaviour proudly in front of everyone.

You still haven't answered how believing people should be free to live their lives free of issues caused by nutbars would indicate personal "issues". You tried but considering you only offered an opinion that you attempted to back up by making unfounded assumptions your answer is worthless. As that is the case the question still remains unanswered.

Can you try to answer the question now? That is minus all the stuff you make up to try to support your non existant argument.

[Oleg Bach]

Could you define 'evil' and explain more clearly how gay people are 'evil'?

Maybe I can help. Evil is that which generates suffering - fear and death. Good generates life- Because so-called gays do not breed naturally perhaps they are not generating life - but to be truely evil you must generate death. Also - a truely naturally born gay is not usually evil - converts sometime are...and those that transmit disease with the intention to kill are evil - hetros as well as so-called gays. It's a black and white situation - evil is bad...

[Kitch]

Maybe I can help. Evil is that which generates suffering - fear and death. Good generates life- Because so-called gays do not breed naturally perhaps they are not generating life - but to be truely evil you must generate death. Also - a truely naturally born gay is not usually evil - converts sometime are...and those that transmit disease with the intention to kill are evil - hetros as well as so-called gays. It's a black and white situation - evil is bad...

Thanks man, but I want the guy who keep saying gay = evil to give his definition and explain how/why this is so. He seems to be using a circular argument... being gay is evil because being gay is evil.

[kengs333]

You know Kengs, if your posts did not promote hatred and intolerance you'd be funny.

But they do and you're not.

I'm still not sure how you can conclude that being opposed to evil and sin equals "hatred and intolerance". Am I "intolerant" and a "hater" for viewing pedophelia as evil and a sin?

The only good thing is that you are in a very small minority when it comes to this issue and can easily be ignored as a hypocrite. Therefore your opinion is not relevant as you can only support it by using hypocrasy and intolerance based on an absurd old book. Not to mention making assumptions and other things up that you could not possibly know about .

"Absurd old book," you say? You mean the book upon which the most modern and advanced civilization in history is based, the book which is still the basis for how you view the world--whether you want to admit it or not? If you hate Christians because of their "absurd old book," the you must really really really hate Jews. Of course you'll never admit to that for fear of being labelled an "anti-Semite," so...

Yet you accuse others of stupidity while parading such absurd behaviour proudly in front of everyone.

Absurd as in what? Believing that evil and sin are wrong? Well, I guess you would have issue with that being a trained killer...

You still haven't answered how believing people should be free to live their lives free of issues caused by nutbars would indicate personal "issues". You tried but considering you only offered an opinion that you attempted to back up by making unfounded assumptions your answer is worthless. As that is the case the question still remains unanswered.

So people should be "free" to live their lives? Does that go for pedophiles, polygamists, satanists, communists, etc. ?

Can you try to answer the question now? That is minus all the stuff you make up to try to support your non existant argument.

Oh, okay, "non existent [sic] argument..." Is that the best you can do?

[marksman]

I'm still not sure how you can conclude that being opposed to evil and sin equals "hatred and intolerance". Am I "intolerant" and a "hater" for viewing pedophelia as evil and a sin?

You're intolerant for viewing a legitimate lifestyle as evil and a sin. You've offered no reason why homosexuality should be considered evil by society other than a religious viewpoint only held by some members of that society. Some people's religion tells them that interracial marriage is evil and a sin. They don't become tolerant just because they use the words evil and sin.

If we did things your way someone could call Christians evil and pass laws that prohibited Christian churches and it would have to be acceptable to you because they're opposing evil. There's nothing wrong with opposing evil right?

[Kitch]

So people should be "free" to live their lives? Does that go for pedophiles, polygamists, satanists, communists, etc. ?

Polygamists, satanists and communists... sure. Why not?

You still haven't answered my questions from above bud. Is there a particular reason for that or did you just miss what I asked?

[kengs333]

You're intolerant for viewing a legitimate lifestyle as evil and a sin.

Many fascists would agree with you.

You've offered no reason why homosexuality should be considered evil by society other than a religious viewpoint only held by some members of that society.

I've never expressed a "religious viewpoint" on this issue. Unless you mean by my use of the word "sin".

Some people's religion tells them that interracial marriage is evil and a sin.

Which ones?

They don't become tolerant just because they use the words evil and sin.

Evil and sin are negative characteristics; people who behave in evil and sinful ways do things do things that are harmful and destructive to themselves and society. So could you please explain to me how wanting people to not be "harmful and destructive to themselves and society" is "intolerant"? Is our legal system "intolerant" for being based on a Criminal Code that attempts to minimize the "harmful and destructive" tendancies of unlawful Canadians?

If we did things your way someone could call Christians evil and pass laws that prohibited Christian churches and it would have to be acceptable to you because they're opposing evil. There's nothing wrong with opposing evil right?

An ineffectual argument to say the least. Things along these lines have happened before, but only by states and regimes that were in themselves evil--eg. the Soviet Union. If it came to the point where Canada began persecuting Christians, then I would say that Canada as a nation is a failed experiment and I would not care whether it continued to exist or not.

[kengs333]

Polygamists, satanists and communists... sure. Why not?

You still haven't answered my questions from above bud. Is there a particular reason for that or did you just miss what I asked?

Okay, now it's clear what type of person you are.

[charter.rights]

Okay, now it's clear what type of person you are.

There is no such thing as "sin", it is all in your mind. And good can lead to evil just as much as evil can lead to good. So to make a judgment that evil stands alone is to suggest that your morals are corrupt.

[charter.rights]

Okay, now it's clear what type of person you are.

It is very clear what type of person YOU are. No wonder anyone who has the capacity to think rejects you.

[AngusThermopyle]

I've never expressed a "religious viewpoint" on this issue. Unless you mean by my use of the word "sin".

You are so full of shit your eyes are brown buddy.

Yeah yeah, I know I'll probably get in trouble for saying that but it needed to be said.

Lets look at this a little closer.

I've never expressed a "religious viewpoint" on this issue.

Wrong, oh so very very wrong. You have constantly referred to the bible, you have constantly referred to the "will of God" or should we say "Gods Will". You constantly use the bible as a reference, you constantly assert that the difference between right and wrong is a measure determined by a power above us. And you constantly state that because of this divine guidance you are the only one who is right or pure. In fact, you constantly condemn people you don't even know as being evil, a word you use frequently.

So go ahead. Lie your ass off, we're all used to it by now anyway.

So, would you now like to do a fancy dance and show us all in an empty way how your opinions are not tainted by primitive beliefs? Gonna take the time to slink around the points you don't like?

Go ahead, after all battling a minion of evil such as myself should be easy for a soul as pure as yours.

Nutbar.