U.S. Election Results 2008

[jdobbin]

Obama speech was good. I notice the crowd didn't boo when he talked about McCain.

I think Obama knows that McCain will be someone he should reach out to in the Senate on a unified effort on the economy. It will also quell the fury some on the Republican side might have toward him.

[bush_cheney2004]

I was rooting for Obama all the way.. I don't doubt that a man/woman with a visible ethnicity could become Prime Minister.. We had Lincoln Alexander didn't we? Our Governor General is of a visible minority..

Let me know when it actually happens.....the very concept of a "visible minority" is degrading.

[Hcheh]

Let me know when it actually happens.....the very concept of a "visible minority" is degrading.

It is degrading, I don't think anything of it.. A Canadian is just a Canadian, it doesn't matter if you are Oriental, Indian, African, South American or whatever.. You were the one who brought it up.. Anyhow, we have a Governor General who was from Haiti and Clarkson was of Asian descent.. This shows that we don't think much of it

[Smallc]

It is degrading, I don't think anything of it.. A Canadian is just a Canadian, it doesn't matter if you are Oriental, Indian, African, South American or whatever.. You were the one who brought it up.. Anyhow, we have a Governor General who was from Haiti and Clarkson was of Asian descent.. This shows that we don't think much of it

That's right, most of us really never even consider it. He just wants to make an issue out of something.

[Sir Bandelot]

We don't have quite the same history of slavery and civil war that the US does.

[Smallc]

We don't have quite the same history of slavery and civil war that the US does.

Well, we did have slavery, but to a lesser extent. Anyway, today is a great day for the US. They elected a progressive government and broke a huge barrier. It was beautiful to watch.

Edited November 5, 2008 by Smallc

[bush_cheney2004]

It is degrading, I don't think anything of it.. A Canadian is just a Canadian, it doesn't matter if you are Oriental, Indian, African, South American or whatever.. You were the one who brought it up.. Anyhow, we have a Governor General who was from Haiti and Clarkson was of Asian descent.. This shows that we don't think much of it

That's great, and the official degrading Canadian term notwithstanding, I await the great day when your Prime Minister reflects such a reality in office, not just sentiment.

Senator Obama is President Elect, despite claims on this board by some that it could ever happen.

[Sir Bandelot]

That's right, most of us really never even consider it. He just wants to make an issue out of something.

Ol grumpy is just a little out of sorts right now, kinda like when you have a toothache

[Hcheh]

That's right, most of us really never even consider it. He just wants to make an issue out of something.

Yep. Better to just not think about it. Only when we consider ourselves to be in "visible minority" groups will we actually start to grow that attitude

[Sir Bandelot]

Well, we did have slavery, but to a lesser extent.

I guess so... we had Brits. lol

[Hcheh]

Senator Obama is President Elect, despite claims on this board by some that it could ever happen.

So some guys on this board is able able to speak for Canada now eh? How about me? I had my hopes and faith in Obama.. I was rooting for him all the way.

[bush_cheney2004]

Yep. Better to just not think about it. Only when we consider ourselves to be in "visible minority" groups will we actually start to grow that attitude

That's right...and the reason it is so degrading. How that term survives to this day in "progressive" Canada beats me.

[Hcheh]

That's great, and the official degrading Canadian term notwithstanding

I would say that the Canadian term may be degrading because of our sense of identity.. It is "everything goes" , no need for assimilation.

So this attitude is probably contrary to the point you are trying to make. There is intolerance on one side and the loss of identity on the other, we are probably on the latter side. By the way, this actually isn't aimed for visible minorities exclusively at all, but just all cultures in general.

[bush_cheney2004]

So some guys on this board is able able to speak for Canada now eh? How about me? I had my hopes and faith in Obama.. I was rooting for him all the way.

Sorry, but you are new to the forum. There are some loose ends to tie up after the Obama victory that some here claimed would/could never happen.

[Hcheh]

That's right...and the reason it is so degrading.

So you suppose we should self segregate ourselves by actually implying differences within our people?

Edited November 5, 2008 by Hcheh

[bush_cheney2004]

I would say that the Canadian term may be degrading because of our sense of identity.. It is "everything goes" , no need for assimilation.

No, it is degrading because of the assumed racist connotation.

So this attitude is probably contrary to the point you are trying to make. There is intolerance on one side and the loss of identity on the other, we are probably on the latter side. By the way, this actually isn't aimed for visible minorities exclusively at all, but just all cultures in general.

No, I think it was a simple-minded approach that has long lost its relevance given the realities of ethnicity, "race", disabilities, language, etc. It's like using the term "coloured people"...stupid.

[bush_cheney2004]

So you suppose we should self segregate ourselves by actually implying differences within our people?

No, I would rather that no such distinctions be made at all. Human being would suffice, at least when it comes to racist labels coming from one's own government.

[Hcheh]

No, it is degrading because of the assumed racist connotation.

No, I think it was a simple-minded approach that has long lost its relevance given the realities of ethnicity, "race", disabilities, language, etc. It's like using the term "coloured people"...stupid.

I actually have to agree with you there, I am a STRONG supporter of the connotation-less Canadian; as Diefenbaker wanted it..

And yeah, looking back at my post, I realized that I made an error.. Putting connotations to Canadians only puts them into the attitude that they are actually different, un-assimilated. That goes back to my point saying how we should not even think of our selves as "visible minorities" , lest we start growing that attitude.

[Hcheh]

Yep. Better to just not think about it. Only when we consider ourselves to be in "visible minority" groups will we actually start to grow that attitude

So you suppose we should self segregate ourselves by actually implying differences within our people?

No, I would rather that no such distinctions be made at all. Human being would suffice, at least when it comes to racist labels coming from one's own government.

Actually, we just tried to make the same point.

When I said "better not to think about it", I meant we literally shouldn't think about it. If we are of Asian decent, you don't think about it, you are just a Canadian. When we label ourselves as "Asian-Canadians", we impose this self segregating attitude upon ourselves. This point was summarized in my second post

[bush_cheney2004]

I actually have to agree with you there, I am a STRONG supporter of the connotation-less Canadian; as Diefenbaker wanted it..

And yeah, looking back at my post, I realized that I made an error.. Putting connotations to Canadians only puts them into the attitude that they are actually different, un-assimilated. That goes back to my point saying how we should not even think of our selves as "visible minorities" , lest we start growing that attitude.

Which is why Senator Obama winces at the notion of being a "black" president. He knows better too.

[bush_cheney2004]

Actually, we just tried to make the same point.

When I said "better not to think about it", I meant we literally shouldn't think about it. If we are of Asian decent, you don't think about it, you are just a Canadian. When we label ourselves as "Asian-Canadians", we impose this self segregating attitude upon ourselves. This point was summarized in my second post

Right....I understand your position and agree. Whenever I run across the curious term "visible minority", I laugh and wonder if Canada also has "infrared minorities", "x-ray minorities", "thermal minorities", or "magnetic resonance minorities".

[Hcheh]

Which is why Senator Obama winces at the notion of being a "black" president. He knows better too.

I was watching CNN earlier this evening and I was amused with how many times they talked about this whole "African-American" thing.. Why should he be labeled as an "African American"? He is JUST AN AMERICAN like everybody else. Black or White, you are just an American. That is pure equality and I am sure that is how MLK would have wanted it.

Also, it should be this way in Canada as well, as John Diefenbaker wanted it.. Oh how I wish we retained the same attitude 50 years later

[BC_chick]

Defeat? I am an American....celebrating a victory for democracy, one that Canadians said would never happen in racist America. Fact is, it may never happen in Canada. How ironic.....Harper-Bush was "re-elected"...the Americans have moved on.

Better Harper and Obama than Dion and McCain....

Keep lashing out, my smile gets even wider.

Oh and congrats on the Prezzie elect

[bush_cheney2004]

Better Harper and Obama than Dion and McCain....

..now that's what I call defeat....and denile!

[Hcheh]

Right....I understand your position and agree. Whenever I run across the curious term "visible minority", I laugh and wonder if Canada also has "infrared minorities", "x-ray minorities", "thermal minorities", or "magnetic resonance minorities".

Hahaha yeah.. However, I would not say that the hyphenated Canadian stands in the way of equal social justice. Instead, it stands in the way of our national unity