William Ashley Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 Harper worked for an american republican think thank.. but even obama worked for reagans think tank with an american professor terrorist. There was a really good report on this by the parliamentarian assosiation of canada or something.. I think they also critiqued the three amigos stuff too. Quote I was here.
Mr.Canada Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 There was a really good report on this by the parliamentarian assosiation of canada or something.. I think they also critiqued the three amigos stuff too. Responding to your own posts now? Mr. Harper is our PM. People really need to stop being negative and start being positive and pull together and make things better. Leave the negative stuff guys. More positive thought is need for the betterment of our country. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Mr.Canada Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 (edited) Stop making this and every post about the RH Stephan Harper and more on topic. Mr. Dion. Perhaps he has done so many things wrong that no one wants to talk about that. I'm not surprised I'd be upset too if I had a lame duck leader facing a great leader. Edited October 21, 2008 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
capricorn Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 Mr. Canada, I appreciate and share you exuberance over the Conservative victory. Here's a tip. Keeping in mind that although we pretty well knew that Stephane Dion loved his country, there came a point in the campaign that his persistent repetition of his love for his country became nauseating. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Mr.Canada Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 (edited) Mr. Canada, I appreciate and share you exuberance over the Conservative victory. Here's a tip. Keeping in mind that although we pretty well knew that Stephane Dion loved his country, there came a point in the campaign that his persistent repetition of his love for his country became nauseating. I am being cheeky on purpose. I'm trying to goad them into some foolish outburst. This is my entertainment. I am not technically trolling as I am stating facts. At the same time, I'm not going to allow all the left wingers here slag our PM without any defense. Most of the things being said are falsehoods or don't tell the other side of the story which I am here to provide. If I wasn't posting these forums would be a big Liberal petting party as I see it. I'm sure it must be getting annoying though...haha. Edited October 21, 2008 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
capricorn Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 Knock yourself out. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Bryan Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 So this is more reason that one person shouldn't be seen as the king of Canada, the headman, if not even 20% of candians support his party.. note even less likely support HIM.. only 16% perhaps support THE PARTY.. he himself is probably more like 7 or 8 percent if he is lucky. You can think harper has 2 in 10 peoples support but that is a lie.THIS IS WHY WE NEED REPRSENTATIVE DEMOCRACY IN CANADA.. we currently don't have it in the first past the post and let the most weighted person run with it.. doesn't and hasn't worked for Canada yet. we need cabinets that represent more than just one segment of the demographic.. that is why party politics by the partisan parties fails We need leaders who lead for the people not for their voting block. Most polls indicated that PM Harper was the most liked/most trusted of the party leaders. example: http://www.nanosresearch.com/election/CPAC...er-13-2008E.pdf Quote
nitesco Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 If you are a liberal do you have to hate the conservatives? Seems so, so much banter here. I also feel like I am the only person who actually likes Dion, I am not sure there was any other leader who could have done better, the liberals were doomed to fail this election. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 If you are a liberal do you have to hate the conservatives? Seems so, so much banter here. I also feel like I am the only person who actually likes Dion, I am not sure there was any other leader who could have done better, the liberals were doomed to fail this election. No one here dislikes any one leader personally or shouldn't anyways just their policies and decisions. I'm sure Dion is a patriotic Canadian and a great guy as a person. I just attack his decision making and policy mandates he has suggested. I voted Liberal in 1993 but not since but I would again if the time was right for it and they had a good leader and good organization which has been lacking of late. Yeah, right after an election a lot fo boards are heavily partisan atm. I'm sure it'll calm down. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
jdobbin Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 No Early Exit for Dion. He is sticking around until the Liberals select a new leader. Under the present rules, it is impossible to oust Dion before May. I think it is a mistake on the part of Dion. I'm now convinced more than ever that Harper will call an election before May. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 (edited) Under the present rules, it is impossible to oust Dion before May.I think it is a mistake on the part of Dion. I'm now convinced more than ever that Harper will call an election before May. Oh my God. Again with this jdobbin? Hahaha. And you think that our PM will call one before May to take advantage of Mr. Dion or the new leader? You think that the Canadian people will like the Conservatives for doing that and this will cause them to gain seats? You must really think that the PM is not paying attention to the people. If he did this he would draw the ire of the public and lose seats yet you insist he will do it...I don't get it. Edited October 21, 2008 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
jdobbin Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 She hit the nail on the head though. She said that before the funding restrictions came in 80% of the Liberal money came from the Corporate sector, while 80% of the conservative funds come from people. That and only 5% of members of the Liberal party donate cash. While 50% of Conservative members do. The Liberals might have been able to manage it at $5000 a year limit. The $1000 a year limit was just a Tory tactic to bleed the part more. Dion expressed not enough interest in addressing the money situation even though many, including myself, said it was essential. My opinion is that party polling, organizers and policy people should be moved to a non-profit charitable organization not covered by party spending rules on corporate and large donors. It would be the the think tank, separate from the party but the source of its intellectual and organizational prowess. Quote
jdobbin Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 (edited) Oh my God. Again with this jdobbin? Hahaha.And you think that our PM will call one before May to take advantage of Mr. Dion or the new leader? I think Harper would love to kick Dion again. You think that the Canadian people will like the Conservatives for doing that and this will cause them to gain seats? Not many will turn out to vote but yes, I think he would gain seats. You must really think that the PM is not paying attention to the people. If he did this he would draw the ire of the public and lose seats yet you insist he will do it...I don't get it. When you have your boot over the throat of your opponent as Harper does, I think you try and crush it while you can. Edited October 21, 2008 by jdobbin Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 Interestingly in his press conderence today Dion spoke english with more clarity than I have ever heard from him before. Perhaps we will see a more gutsy and outspoken Dion, now that he has little left to lose. Quote
William Ashley Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 (edited) Most polls indicated that PM Harper was the most liked/most trusted of the party leaders.example: http://www.nanosresearch.com/election/CPAC...er-13-2008E.pdf The polls wern't asking the right questions.. was this a comparitive to other leaders? I'm geussing only x number of people are still alive.. it is totally rubish to bring polls on a warped media perception.. he isn't.. he has a lot of hot air surrounding him, but he is anything but popular especially outside his own party.. even in it not everyone is behind him, nor have they always been. the only reason he is there is that he is a compramise leader, he always has been. This poll bs is just tory propaganda trying to beef up peoples identities of him as a good leader.. if they put harpers name in with the worst prime minister 1st people may be akward to mention the current head of the tory party... but 2nd he probably wouldn't be far behind mulrooney. and they tore his guts out. If it wasn't for the GST delivry he'd do a lot worse and I mean A LOT.. and making canada a stale political environment. You'll see how much he is liked when he has nothing left to give and the axe is bloody. He isn't liked his payoffs are liked, and you can only sell so much of the country before the money well runs dry. Edited October 21, 2008 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
jdobbin Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 I do feel sorry for Dion. HE is the leader that never should have been. I hope the Liberals see that this is the result of negative politics during the Leadership campaign. Because of the hatred two factions had for each other they ended up with the third or fourth best choice in a pool already lacking depth. There really was no quality choice in that convention and taking the #3 or 4 guy is just stupid. I believe the problems are related to the delegate system as well. Some people want one member per vote which is a process that can also be hijacked. I'm of the opinion that maybe the delegate system can improved by a ballot vote that includes second and third choices. I'd be interested in seeing how that might work. Quote
blueblood Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 I believe the problems are related to the delegate system as well. Some people want one member per vote which is a process that can also be hijacked. I'm of the opinion that maybe the delegate system can improved by a ballot vote that includes second and third choices. I'd be interested in seeing how that might work. Is that like how they did it in Alberta with Stelmach's election? Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
jdobbin Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 (edited) Is that like how they did it in Alberta with Stelmach's election? Alberta's system was one person, one vote, correct? And after that, first and second choices on a ballot. Edited October 21, 2008 by jdobbin Quote
Mr.Canada Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 The polls wern't asking the right questions.. was this a comparitive to other leaders? I'm geussing only x number of people are still alive.. it is totally rubish to bring polls on a warped media perception.. he isn't.. he has a lot of hot air surrounding him, but he is anything but popular especially outside his own party.. even in it not everyone is behind him, nor have they always been. the only reason he is there is that he is a compramise leader, he always has been. This poll bs is just tory propaganda trying to beef up peoples identities of him as a good leader.. if they put harpers name in with the worst prime minister 1st people may be akward to mention the current head of the tory party... but 2nd he probably wouldn't be far behind mulrooney. and they tore his guts out. If it wasn't for the GST delivry he'd do a lot worse and I mean A LOT.. and making canada a stale political environment. You'll see how much he is liked when he has nothing left to give and the axe is bloody. He isn't liked his payoffs are liked, and you can only sell so much of the country before the money well runs dry. First @jdobbin, you always have interesting points to make. I may not always agree but at least they are clear, haha. Second. WA. What is this rant? Our PM Stephan Harper has consistantly polled the highest out of the three leaders since the last election so I don't understand your deflection. I doubt any even the most partisan member of this bb would deny what I've said. The Liberals have been buying the ethnic vote for decades so I don't see your point. Well, I'm sure glad you're not partisan as you've claimed many people here are. Thank goodness for that. Also, if you plan on starting a political party you may want to brush up on your English composition, grammar, spelling and punctuation. A degree and career could help as well. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
normanchateau Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 I'm really tired of people saying that 2/3 of Canadians didn't vote for Mr. Harper and the Conservatives.Every region of the country agreed and wanted a Torie majority except Quebec who, for the most part, rejected the conservatives. However the Liberals and the NDP were also rejected by Quebec so that is a dead issue. Even Ontario was on board with 51% of the popular vote. OK, not 2/3. Only 63% of Canadians voted overwhelmingly against Mr. Harper. Every region of the country wanted a "Torie" majority except Quebec? You must define "every region" as Alberta. In what other province did Harper get a majority of the votes? Quote
blueblood Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 Alberta's system was one person, one vote, correct? And after that, first and second choices on a ballot. I don't know, it was fairly interesting, a ten dollar fee to vote in the new leader of a political party. I think there had to have been choices or something as Stelmach came up the middle. It seemed a really fair way of doing it. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
jdobbin Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 (edited) I don't know, it was fairly interesting, a ten dollar fee to vote in the new leader of a political party. I think there had to have been choices or something as Stelmach came up the middle. It seemed a really fair way of doing it. I know that the delegate system was chosen as being more exciting, more cinematic but it is possible to have a convention where the vote is determined earlier such as in primaries. Dion was chosen in an "anything but" campaign that was extremely expensive for all involved. It was expensive financially and it was expensive in terms of the trouble it brought the party. There has to to be something better. The Alberta system might not be the best out there but I'd be interested in learning more. Edited October 21, 2008 by jdobbin Quote
scribblet Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 How about we do it something like the Americans, a sort of primary election run by Elections Canada. People register for whatever party, then go to a polling station to vote for a leader of their choice. Problem with that is the cost to the taxpayer, but would it be worth it and would be it constituional ? Apart from the cost, the other problem would be with knee jerk anti Americanism, we don't want it, simply because 'they' do it. - Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
scribblet Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 I am being cheeky on purpose. I'm trying to goad them into some foolish outburst. This is my entertainment. I am not technically trolling as I am stating facts.At the same time, I'm not going to allow all the left wingers here slag our PM without any defense. Most of the things being said are falsehoods or don't tell the other side of the story which I am here to provide. If I wasn't posting these forums would be a big Liberal petting party as I see it. I'm sure it must be getting annoying though...haha. LOL slagging Harper is a full time occupation on here, same old same old partisan rhetoric Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
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