An Ontario Party?

[drewski]

They are called proviences.. AND they really should be integrated at the federal level, such as giving the Priemiers right to speak in the commons or senate. Or the special upper house I've suggested with the cultural lords, cheif justices etc.. all with speaking and question rights in public.. a house of lords for caanda.. including the presidents (queens special council on canada re: popular people) council, judicature, preimiers cabinet etc..

yes, they should be integrated at the federal level, but I believe that regional parties would simply cause a breakdown and eventually separation instead. Every region has its own set of priorities, regional based parties would simply bicker amongst themselves, not caring about the rest of the country, leaving nothing done. eventually, everybody would just say screw this and leave

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Integrated at the federal level? There are a few Albertan's that would have what could be described as issues with that SORT OF SOLUTION. In my opinion that kind of solution would be a mistake.

Edited October 22, 2008 by Jerry J. Fortin

[Mr.Canada]

yes, they should be integrated at the federal level, but I believe that regional parties would simply cause a breakdown and eventually separation instead. Every region has its own set of priorities, regional based parties would simply bicker amongst themselves, not caring about the rest of the country, leaving nothing done. eventually, everybody would just say screw this and leave

This isn't the USA and the Premiers aren't governors. For people who claim to dislike the USA y'all sure like their democratic process.

[drewski]

This isn't the USA and the Premiers aren't governors. For people who claim to dislike the USA y'all sure like their democratic process.

and where did I spout any opinion on the US democratic process?

EDIT: let me clarify though, I didn't meaning integration like a US style or the style William Ashely meant. I should clarify I simply meant that the parties should be integrated, ie made up of MP's from across the country

Edited October 22, 2008 by drewski

[Mad_Michael]

Does Ontario need its own party?

Ontario is probably the most cosmopolitan and diverse province in Canada, and supports all of the major parties (many would vote Bloc if they could), tends to vote based more on the party's policy rather than regional concerns, etc. But it's clear that the country has become mired in regionalism, and that Ottawa is giving the province the shaft now that Ontario's economy is in decline and is losing manufacturing jobs at an alarming rate. Since Ontario is divided among the three parties, would it not be best if a united populist party existed instead to represent Ontario's concerns in Parlaiment?

Ontario is the one place in Canada that has always stood for Canada. Ontario hasn't complained about being the transfer payment cash-cow for over a century. Seems that subsidy junkies are the ones who complain the loudest.

Ontario doesn't need or want some petty regionalist party.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Hey Mr ignorant why not look at this list.. look who provides the most money to canada

Ontario &0000000000436762.000000436,762 42.31 &0000000000493126.000000493,126 41.46 &0000000000056364.00000056,364 35.80

Quebec &0000000000218626.000000218,626 21.18 &0000000000242039.000000242,039 20.35 &0000000000023413.00000023,413 14.87

Alberta &0000000000123250.000000123,250 11.94 &0000000000152670.000000152,670 12.83 &0000000000029420.00000029,420 18.69

Wow it seems ontario and quebec outstrip Alberta... 3x's the ammount of alberta actually.

GDP is a measure of economic growth per province.

The measure you want to look at is per capita net contributions via taxes from each province. Alberta is by far the leader.

Meantime you should read this: TD economics report saying Ontario will be getting handouts as a "have-not" province by 2010.

Link to Financial Post story.

[kengs333]

Better call it the Toronto party as the rest of Ontario is conservative for the most part.

You mean that only about 35% of Ontario is Conservative.

[kengs333]

Meantime you should read this: TD economics report saying Ontario will be getting handouts as a "have-not" province by 2010.

Link to Financial Post story.

For the first time. Ontario still is the ONLY province that has never received equalization payments.

Anyway, we'll see where the West is by 2010 the way things are going.

Edited October 22, 2008 by kengs333

[guyser]

GDP is a measure of economic growth per province.

The measure you want to look at is per capita net contributions via taxes from each province. Alberta is by far the leader.

You are like the little brother who cant beat the big brother no matter how hard you try. So , here is a pat on the head for a good job well done.

Of course Alta is doing well. No one denies it. Yes the DGP per capita is better...now.

But so many try to impress that Alta is carrying this country , our savoiurs if you will. It ignores all history when Alta needed help , when payments went in instead of out .

As you elude , Ont may be a have not come a few years,but frankly I think the economy in Ont will hum along , down but not out.

And in the meantime, should the price of oil drop further, or this recession gets worse, the one trick pony Alta has (hey Sask too) will cause a roll over in weeks, not years.

Real Estate is already hurting in Alta according to Sat Natl Post.

[cybercoma]

the Liberals the de facto regional Party in the Martimes now

That's not exactly accurate, they only won 3 seats to the Conservatives 6 in New Brunswick. In Nova Scotia, they won 5 seats to 3 Conservative seats. And although they won 3 to 1 in PEI, that's the first time in decades there has been a Conservative MP on the island.

The Liberals a regional party to the Maritimes... hardly.

[JerrySeinfeld]

For the first time. Ontario still is the ONLY province that has never received equalization payments.

Anyway, we'll see where the West is by 2010 the way things are going.

Oh really?

Certainly there has been a commodities correction. But it's an offshoot of the US recession which will certainly hurt Ontario more than Alberta.

If the US goes to shit it's Ontario who will suffer most. Alberta and western Canada still has a world market for it's raw materials and energy, including BRIC countries Brazil India China.

And selling it in US dollars (the currency world oil is priced in) has just become alot more profitiable at $0.80 canadian dollar.

Certainly things will slow down some in the west due to lower world prices, but Ontario is a manufacturing based economy living in the past century. If you guys think the all of a sudden the Chinese and Indian economies (your competition) are going to stop building cheap cars, electronics, furniture etc. etc. etc. then you are living a delusional existence along with Buzz Hargrove.

The days of cheap energy are over, despite short term corrections. But the sun is permanently setting on Ontario's assembly line life. You're as screwed as, or more so than, Detroit.

[guyser]

You're as screwed as, or more so than, Detroit.

Gold Jerry Gold !

[PoliticalCitizen]

Ontario is the one place in Canada that has always stood for Canada. Ontario hasn't complained about being the transfer payment cash-cow for over a century. Seems that subsidy junkies are the ones who complain the loudest.

Ontario doesn't need or want some petty regionalist party.

I agree.

Let's create the GOLDEN HORSESHOE PARTY!!!

We are the economic heart of the country. We should be represented better.

[drewski]

The days of cheap energy are over, despite short term corrections. But the sun is permanently setting on Ontario's assembly line life. You're as screwed as, or more so than, Detroit.

will Ontario need to re-invent itself, sure, but I don't believe our assembly line life is over.

since as you say, the days of cheap energy are over, and shipping costs money, the cost of items from Asia will continue to go up, so while our cost of labour per unit might be higher, the cost to ship from here to the states will be significantly lower. also, the demands on asia to improve quality, safety & environmental policies continues to drive the prices of their goods up. finally, our engineering is still considered quite good, and even asia continues to come to us for engineering solutions, especially for the manufacturing sector

[Mr.Canada]

Ontario has to get away from a province that makes things into a province that creates new technology through ideas. We must nurture our youth to stay in Canada and make it a better place so we can get past this. New industries will be the mantra and then renewed growth can happen.

[JerrySeinfeld]

I agree.

Let's create the GOLDEN HORSESHOE PARTY!!!

We are the economic heart of the country. We should be represented better.

Having visited Ontario many times I can confidently say: Ontario is a dump.

In term of being represented better, that's hilarious.

The west has been saying that to deaf ears for decades. As long as Ontario was picking the winner and owning the federal government, everything was fine.

Frankly I'm quite enjoying seeing the rest of Canada gain some power for a change.

Actually, As I write this I'm realizing how poetic it would be to see a "golden horseshoe" party. You'd consistently have just enough seats to form an opposition, never quite making it to a majority.

Welcome to the rest of our world! Bring it on!

[William Ashley]

GDP is a measure of economic growth per province.

The measure you want to look at is per capita net contributions via taxes from each province. Alberta is by far the leader.

Meantime you should read this: TD economics report saying Ontario will be getting handouts as a "have-not" province by 2010.

Link to Financial Post story.

You are full of Feces

Per capita is just population skewing of course if you have less people with more money they will be contributing more money per person, but this is not representative, the total is higher for ontario and quebec and that is what maters.. by province.. not by per person in province.

You are assinine.

You used the provinces saying alberta contributes more that is BS... alberta does NOT contribute more they contribute 1/3rd what ontario contributes to the federal economy.

Likewise Quebec and BC also contribute more than Alberta.

Sure people in Alberta per capita make more income, but they sure as hell don't share it with canada. They actually opt to remit a lot of it back to themselves instead of building projects on the bay of fundy or housing and water for native communities etc.. they keep it, much like Quebec.

A lot of federal money has gone into tar sands development in and out of alberta, be it building and expanding ports, pipelines and transit pathways...

Also Canada pays for the health and environmental damages caused by tar sands development-- it will actually be a question if Canada even benefits from the tar sands after adding in health and enviornmental costs.

Edited October 24, 2008 by William Ashley

[Alta4ever]

Also Canada pays for the health and environmental damages caused by tar sands development-- it will actually be a question if Canada even benefits from the tar sands after adding in health and enviornmental costs.

And what do you know of the tar sands? Have you ever seen Northern Alberta, have you been to Ft. Mac? What health cost I would bet the air quality is better at the tar sands then it is in downtown toronto. What enviornemental cost? You are you refering to returning soil that will actual grow and sustain plant life, which it wouldn't before the tar was taken out. Before we started removing the tar, it was naturally flowing down the river. So please do lecture me on my own back yard.