Conservative Party Scenarios

[maplesyrup]

Once the leader is chosen for the new Conservative party, only then will we begin to see what really shakes for this merger.

1 If either Tony Clement or Belinda Stronach win the leadership, the Harper forces will stay in the party, as they have no where else to go.

2 If Stephen Harper wins the leadership, we can anticipate there will be some drift from the Clement and Stronach supporters, to other parties. The important question in this second scenario is, how much drift will there be?

12 days to go before the leader is chosen on March 20th. the federal budget will be tabled three days later, on March 23ed, and then if the growing buzz from Ottawa is to believed,

BANG! right into the election.

We live in interesting times.

[willy]

I am very nervous about the lack of sensitivity that both Belinda and Tony have for western issues. Most of the members of the CPC are westerners and they are not speaking to us.

I want a party that can meet the unique demands for all parts of Canada.

It has been part of our political history with both the ruling parties in this country to rule from Toronto out and pay off Quebec.

We need a new way in which the federal government sticks to it’s jurisdiction and adequately transfers to the provinces the resources to take care of there responsibilities.

I will personally be disenfranchised if the Ontario candidates win.

[Pellaken]

I will personally be disenfranchised if the Ontario candidates win.

so the PM must alwyas be a western canadian? nothing but the west?

you guys are starting to sound like quebecois

get out of my country.

[August1991]

Once the leader is chosen for the new Conservative party, only then will we begin to see what really shakes for this merger.

Well said. Let the people speak, and life is too short to be a demagogue.

I am very nervous about the lack of sensitivity that both Belinda and Tony have for western issues. Most of the members of the CPC are westerners and they are not speaking to us.  I want a party that can meet the unique demands for all parts of Canada. It has been part of our political history with both the ruling parties in this country to rule from Toronto out and pay off Quebec. We need a new way in which the federal government sticks to it’s jurisdiction and adequately transfers to the provinces the resources to take care of there responsibilities.

You speak well. I'm an Easterner but I think it's time for Western truth. I'll listen, if it's honest Western - and not naive Diefenbaker, Douglas, "Demo" nonsense.

[sir_springer]

get out of my country.

Pell, if I had my way, we'd be gone tomorrow...sooner, if possible.

[willy]

Pellaken: You need to read what I wrote and not what you thought.

Many strong leaders have come from all regions of our country. Western alienation is not about wanting out but, and Preston said it best “we want in.”

I will be disenfranchised because my point of view will not be represented. I don’t have a radical point of view.

Unlike Belinda, I think government has a bigger role than just stimulating the economy and training workers for the economy.

Unlike Tony, I don’t think having laid siege to the Ontario health system has prepared him to be PM.

These two candidates are not building unity as they might claim but rather they are branding the CA as not tolerant and like an old uncle that has to be put up with. This offends me.

Democratic principles were core to the emergence of the Reform and then CA. I trust no one would disagree that we need a little more accountability in Ottawa and it might be a shame to let some of these ideas die. (E.g. PM appoint elected senators, parliamentary committees appoint judges, fixed elections and some kind of MP recall)

[Pellaken]

get out of my country.

Pell, if I had my way, we'd be gone tomorrow...sooner, if possible.

I support western sepration

and quebec seperation

I've had enough whining, its about time the coutry fracture, and everyone walk their seprerate ways

either that, or we negotiate, but I dont see that happening any time soon

[Pellaken]

Pellaken: You need to read what I wrote and not what you thought.

Many strong leaders have come from all regions of our country. Western alienation is not about wanting out but, and Preston said it best “we want in.”

I will be disenfranchised because my point of view will not be represented. I don’t have a radical point of view.

Unlike Belinda, I think government has a bigger role than just stimulating the economy and training workers for the economy.

Unlike Tony, I don’t think having laid siege to the Ontario health system has prepared him to be PM.

These two candidates are not building unity as they might claim but rather they are branding the CA as not tolerant and like an old uncle that has to be put up with. This offends me.

Democratic principles were core to the emergence of the Reform and then CA. I trust no one would disagree that we need a little more accountability in Ottawa and it might be a shame to let some of these ideas die. (E.g. PM appoint elected senators, parliamentary committees appoint judges, fixed elections and some kind of MP recall)

I am a populist before I'm a social-democrat. I support democratic reforms, and have posted MANY times about my ideas for them. all those posts are ignored by those "EEE or nothing" supporters.

for the record I was a member of the alliance for a week in august, but when I was told my NDP membership would be revoked unless I quit the party, I did.

[August1991]

MapleSyrup, thanks for dates.

My opinion? First, the "Tories" and then, the Grits.

This new guy? I saw him. He's boring but no Nazi. If Ontarians vote for him, he'll follow his honest word.

I think the Chretien Grits have decided that it's "Time Out". They need time to think. (IOW, give us all a break, please.)

[Goldie]

The Conservative Party is not about what is good for western Canada, nor should it be.

This party has to be about giving Newfoundland controll over offshore wealth, be it fish or oil.

Quebec, to do business in North America and prosper as it sees fit, while protecting it's culture from anglo intrusion.

The guy on the Prairies selling his wheat or milk on an open vast free market.

A leader must not look to vote rich regions only, in fact just the opposite, he must reach out to those regions where a void of income and service are the headlines.

Does it really matter where a leader comes from as long as these principles are in the forefront?

Does it not make sense to entrust our government with someone that might have morals, ie., Christian belief.

[willy]

Goldie:

I can’t disagree about the first few points. I think I said that but I guess it didn't come across.

First off I am a Christian. Second off as I Christian I can state that I would not hold myself up over anyone else as a model of morals. Please don’t put our Christian politicians in that light. It doesn’t do our government, our faith or our country any good.

Let’s focus on policy and then decided if you like their policy or the parties policy. Evaluate how trustworthy an individual is but again don’t look at their faith. Their record in business and public life should be what we use as an indicator of personal ethical behaviour.

[August1991]

Goldie, are you a Newfoundlander?

[Goldie]

No I'm not a Newfie, I'm a Winnipegger that escaped the tundra for the wet coast and ultimately landed in the thirsty Okanagan.

Anyway, I think this whole regional thing has to stop and maybe it is because I was born in Winnipeg, where I could stand downtown and see St. Boniface and feel the history of three Nations coming together to form my beautiful but bland city. A microcosim of Canada now celebrated at the Forks (no, I'm not on the Tourism Winnipeg payroll).

My point is that we shouldn't put value on individuals because of where they come from, be it Ontario or Alberta but rather what they value and practice. Personally, I would place greater trust on someone that is guided by the morals that founded this Nation over the current trend of picking the best public speaker or who looks the part or who made more money in the cut throat corporate and legal world. Simply put, I have an adversion to the CEO and lawyer looking out for the interests of the Nation when they have spent carrers looking out for their own. I'm speaking in broad terms so please forgive me if Bill Gates happens upon this post.

So you find in Ottawa a group of people that views the opposition as the enemy that needs to be destroyed, ridiculed and held at bay at any cost. Not in any particular order of course but the game plan exists none the less.

Imagine that the voices of 100,000 tax paying people in your riding are viewed in this way, seems pretty stupid.