Liberals Admit Green Shift Will Not Reduce Emissions

[Jobu]

http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Manitoba/2...038881-sun.html

Liberal candidate Bob Friesen made a startling admission this week during Manitoba's only televised federal election campaign debate.

I was on the media panel for the debate and was surprised to hear Friesen admit his own party's carbon tax plan might not result in households reducing their greenhouse gas emissions.

[myata]

There's a big difference between a Liberal (single) and "Liberals" (plural). Are you really illiterate, on top of all else, or just obtuse?

[Jobu]

There's a big difference between a Liberal (single) and "Liberals" (plural). Are you really illiterate, on top of all else, or just obtuse?

Desperate times call for desperate measures, eh?

[myata]

No, only pointing out obvious facts

[White Doors]

There's a big difference between a Liberal (single) and "Liberals" (plural). Are you really illiterate, on top of all else, or just obtuse?

Wow, myata calling other people illiterate?

I think I have seen it all now folks..

[cybercoma]

There's a big difference between a Liberal (single) and "Liberals" (plural). Are you really illiterate, on top of all else, or just obtuse?

Is this what you're offering as a reason to believe the green tax shift will reduce emissions?

[myata]

Wow, does it really have to be so complicated, conservative people? There's an individual opinion, expressed position of a party, and expected result, and established fact. They are all different things, ie. not the same thing.

[noahbody]

There's a big difference between a Liberal (single) and "Liberals" (plural). Are you really illiterate, on top of all else, or just obtuse?

For example: A Liberal (single) was being honest.

[kengs333]

Desperate times call for desperate measures, eh?

He's right, though. What an individual candidate says may not always be in line with what the party is saying. At least individual Liberal candidates have some latitude when it comes to expressing personal opinions. The Liberal party in general encompasses members with differing political perspectives, unlike the Conservatives where everybody has to goose step according to Harper's dictates.

So who's desperate in making an issue out of this one? If you want to play this game, the Conservative candidate for Hamilton Centre stated flat out that the Conservatives didn't release the platform until this last Tuesday to avoid it being critiqued by the other parties. Are we to assume that this is the official reason even though he is but one candidate in a riding that he has no chance of winning?

[kengs333]

For example: A Liberal (single) was being honest.

Or he just doesn't know what he's talking about.

[Jobu]

Or he just doesn't know what he's talking about.

Or perhaps Dion doesn't?

[Jobu]

He's right, though. What an individual candidate says may not always be in line with what the party is saying. At least individual Liberal candidates have some latitude when it comes to expressing personal opinions. The Liberal party in general encompasses members with differing political perspectives, unlike the Conservatives where everybody has to goose step according to Harper's dictates.

So who's desperate in making an issue out of this one? If you want to play this game, the Conservative candidate for Hamilton Centre stated flat out that the Conservatives didn't release the platform until this last Tuesday to avoid it being critiqued by the other parties. Are we to assume that this is the official reason even though he is but one candidate in a riding that he has no chance of winning?

I'm sure it was one of many reasons.

[Bryan]

Wow, does it really have to be so complicated, conservative people? There's an individual opinion, expressed position of a party, and expected result, and established fact. They are all different things, ie. not the same thing.

Are you going to stake a claim that he was the only Liberal to admit that the carbon tax is a bad idea?

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=KDn1T6T096c

[kengs333]

Or perhaps Dion doesn't?

And all those economists that support it...

Hey, if you don't want your income tax lowered so that you can drive around in a gas guzzling SUV, then by all means vote Conservative...

[Jobu]

And all those economists that support it...

Hey, if you don't want your income tax lowered so that you can drive around in a gas guzzling SUV, then by all means vote Conservative...

Actually, the CPC is not proposing to reduce income tax rates in this go-round, but it's nice to know you're voting while completely oblivious to the facts and platforms.

As for the economists, find 100 to believe one thing and I will find 100 more to believe another.

Edited October 10, 2008 by Jobu

[kengs333]

Actually, the CPC is not proposing to reduce income tax rates in this go-round, but it's nice to know you're voting while completely oblivious to the facts and platforms.

Reread my post.

As for the economists, find 100 to believe one thing and I will find 100 more to believe another.

Really? So since everyone is cancelling everbody else out, that would mean that nobody really knows what's going on...

*starts running to the bank*

[Jobu]

Reread my post.

Really? So since everyone is cancelling everbody else out, that would mean that nobody really knows what's going on...

*starts running to the bank*

Umm, income tax cuts have nothing to do with driving gas-guzzling SYVs, FYI.

[independent]

http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Manitoba/2...038881-sun.html

Liberal candidate Bob Friesen made a startling admission this week during Manitoba's only televised federal election campaign debate.

I was on the media panel for the debate and was surprised to hear Friesen admit his own party's carbon tax plan might not result in households reducing their greenhouse gas emissions.

Macleans Oct 13 edition has an article about Stephen Harpers Green Shift. A plan he discussed with the Globe and Mail towards the end of last year. This is what the article concluded. "In sum, the conservative plan is just as costly as the Liberals',twice as complicated,and half as effective"

[Jobu]

Macleans Oct 13 edition has an article about Stephen Harpers Green Shift. A plan he discussed with the Globe and Mail towards the end of last year. This is what the article concluded. "In sum, the conservative plan is just as costly as the Liberals',twice as complicated,and half as effective"

Stephen Harper does not have a Green Shift or carbon tax.

[myata]

Well, his environmental priority, whatever happend to it, of late?

BTW this one has been the one parliament to put forth a real meaningful change on the environment agenda. How come nothing, nada, yada happened? Could it be because Harper himself does not believe in it? As he does not believe that selling assault guns is a problem? That $60 monthly somehow helps you solve your childcare problem (I paid $25 / day, and it was years back)? That paying 0,000s in drug costs in case of serious illness is nothing to worry about? That plummeting stock is just an opportunity to go shopping?

The problem with this bunch, why they should never be allowed anywhere near majority, at a risk of costly and painful learning experiences for all of us (research on "G.W.B." for cues what may happen when a rightwing idealist is allowed to run free and wild), is that we do things based less on rational analysis than their own beliefs.