Liberals and NDP fanning the flames

[Smallc]

You make a claim that Dion leads Harper in some kind of poll...you think...what poll...you don't know. And you expect me to take your word on face value?

With an annual budget of $1B it tries very hard to make it in the big leagues.

It was on todays episode of politics. I watch hours of news and political programing every day. I can't remember every detail. I'm rewatching it right now though, so I'll have an answer for you soon.

[jdobbin]

After all is said and done, Canadians will realize the snow job the Liberals and the NDP pulled on them.

And according to you, it will be a Tory minority.

Saying that Harper is aloof and seems to lack empathy isn't something that Dion thought up just this week.

[Smallc]

I can't seem to find it, maybe it was on Global National.....hmmm.

[kengs333]

And according to you, it will be a Tory minority.

Saying that Harper is aloof and seems to lack empathy isn't something that Dion thought up just this week.

Isn't the a Maclean's article where he claims to have a "British" reserved demeanour?

[blueblood]

I'm sure that there are a few Tory supporters who believe that Ontario should be sacrificed.

Just like the few Ontario Liberal supporters who thought the west should be sacrificed and are inferior to Ontario

Harper used the same fearmongering when saying a Liberal government would lead to economic ruin and disunity.

Given Trudeau's record can you blame him

There is a credit crunch even in Canada.

Fear mongering in the MSM will do that to an economy, no trust in the banking system causes that

No one is denying the market was a bubble. Now, the threat is a credit crunch that is hurting people and companies around the world. Harper said the worst was over three weeks ago.

The worst will be over when the fear mongering stops and people wake up and look at Canada's strong fundamentals

If you have a business and can't credit for investment, acquisitions and operations, it is a time to have real concern.

A result of panic, and who is helping create the panic...

If you have a mortgage, a loan or anything else with the bank, expect more difficulty accessing credit.

Great for those with cash lying about.

see above

The top bank economists yesterday reported that Canada could be headed for a recession. Be disgusted at them

some others said Canada can weather this storm

It's disgusting that Conservatives single out Dion when the banks are saying we are headed for an "unprecedented economic struggle."

Cripes Dion is spreading panic among Canadian investors, I'll be disgusted if I want to be, I bet you'd be disgusted and saying Harper is fiscally irresponsible if Harper was saying the exact same things Dion was

Harper's carbon tax hits Alberta even harder. There uis huge cost uncertainty.

Will that actually go through? I doubt it. The carbon tax is still worse, Harper is an economist too, I'll take his word on that

Harper's spending is out of control. It breezes past Chretien and Martin by a country mile.

Can I blame him, he's trying to buy votes out east, it's not his fault they like big spending

Anyone who vote for Harper ignores his broken promises on income trusts, spending and fixed election dates.

They all break promises, I'm going on vision

I voted already and hopefully, Harper will not get the majority he desperately wants.

Thanks to Dion and Layton's fear mongering he probably won't

Our savings have already taken a hit from Harper who said the worst was over three weeks ago.

Our savings have taken a hit from Dion and Layton scoring cheap political points

Your disgust should extend to the banks.

My disgust is at the left for implementing the Ninja loan program because they wanted poor people to have 2-3 hundred thousand dollar houses

The hyperpartisan will surely blame Dion for the economic crisis and overlook that Harper didn't think it was a problem weeks ago. Was that a lie, rose coloured glasses or incompetence? If Harper had been employed by one of the banks, he might have gotten fired for that.

Pot meet kettle. Harper said the economy was headed for tough times at around Christmas time. The worst could have been over if there wasn't so much misplaced fear in the marketplace.

[Visionseeker]

The gift that keeps on giving for the opposition:

Big Canadian banks snub Bank of Canada interest rate cuts

Two lines of attack here:

1- greedy banks trying to profit from meltdown...PM must stop the greedy basstards.

2- The banks need the 1/4 percent because the PM was misleading us about them being strong

Either way, looks bad for Harper.

[Jobu]

The gift that keeps on giving for the opposition:

Big Canadian banks snub Bank of Canada interest rate cuts

Two lines of attack here:

1- greedy banks trying to profit from meltdown...PM must stop the greedy basstards.

2- The banks need the 1/4 percent because the PM was misleading us about them being strong

Either way, looks bad for Harper.

So you want to nationalize banks and monetary policy? hehehehe

There's absolutely nothing to see here, folks.

[Argus]

It is a lack of confidence in Harper that Dion and others have not to run into deficits because he can't control his spending,

I rather doubt that given your party has pledged over $80,000,000,000 in election goodies.

makes the wrong tax cuts and waits until an election to announce small assistance to a manufacturing sector

Your party waited until the middle of the election to recognize there was a problem with the financial sector, and then their response was "Within a month of assuming office, we'll uhm, ask people what to do about it."

Reeeeeaall reassuring.

Meanwhile Harper saw it coming last year and has been preparing for it.

[Argus]

Can you be anymore obtuse and crude? If you think I'm worng, then prove it. But until you can do that, the general consensus is that FTA and NAFTA are responsible for significantly increasing trade between the US and Canada.

I don't have to prove anything to an economic illiterate who believes that because his hampster agrees with him there's a general consensus.

[Argus]

Pretty much exactly what I've been saying.

Stephane Dion and Jack Layton should be ashamed of themselves for stoking panic in our financial markets just to win votes

Our Banks are Safe

Moreover, even if Mr. Chretien could take credit for the lack of a banking crisis here, his party's current leader, Stephane Dion, could not. Three times in recent years, Parliament has voted on laws to increase bank accountability, and all three times Mr. Dion voted "no."

[Argus]

The top bank economists yesterday reported that Canada could be headed for a recession. Be disgusted at them

Cite? Which bank economists.

No recession in Canada, forecasters agree

[M.Dancer]

Cite? Which bank economists.

No recession in Canada, forecasters agree

80ish left of centre economists...

The forum says its members include more than 125 “progressive economists,” working in universities, the labour movement, and activist research organizations.

Among those who signed the open letter are: Douglas Peters, a former Liberal secretary of state for finance and one-time chief economist at Toronto-Dominion Bank, Mike McCracken, president of economics research firm Informetrica Ltd. of Ottawa, Abe Rotstein and and Mel Watkins, both emeritus professors of economics at University of Toronto, Canadian Auto Workers union economist Jim Stanford, and Andrew Sharpe, executive director of the Ottawa-based Centre for the Study of Living Standards.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...Story/Business/

Meanwhile, the Royal bank and others are still not projecting a recession but instead very modest growth.

Royal Bank cuts 2008 projection to 0.9 per cent growth from 1.4; Global Insight reduces forecast to 0.6 per cent from 0.8

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...Story/Business/

[M.Dancer]

Who says they would invest in growth?

This may be an epiphany for you....

Businesses are in business to make money and they don't make money by standing still. A company that makes $1 a day making 1 widget a day can make $2.1 a day making two widgets a day.

[capricorn]

I can't seem to find it, maybe it was on Global National.....hmmm.

Thanks for trying. Well then, here is the link to the Nanos numbers on leadership and trust that shows Harper ahead of the others.

http://www.nikonthenumbers.com/topics/show/106

BTW he has scored highest in all leadership categories throughout the campaign.

[jdobbin]

Cite? Which bank economists.

No recession in Canada, forecasters agree

Didn't see this?

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...hub=CTVNewsAt11

The word "recession" wouldn't describe the deep structural problems affecting everything from the U.S. housing sector to the Canadian oil industry, said Bank of Nova Scotia chief economist Warren Jestin.

"You have to invent a new word to describe what we're in now," he said after the banks presented their perspectives at the Economic Club.

I'd say most of those economists are not leftist but if it helps you to think so, by all means. The words used at the Ecnomonic Club the other day were "worse than a recession."

[White Doors]

But the economy is still growing...

weird that!

[jdobbin]

But the economy is still growing...

weird that!

The pride in such anemic growth and the dismissal of the pain others will feel in this economy is probably why Harper feels on the defensive during this election.

[Smallc]

Thanks for trying. Well then, here is the link to the Nanos numbers on leadership and trust that shows Harper ahead of the others.

http://www.nikonthenumbers.com/topics/show/106

BTW he has scored highest in all leadership categories throughout the campaign.

Sorry I couldn't find it, but I did see it. I do agree though that it had a different result than most other surveys. What this one did, was take the leaders positive score and subtract the negative score from it. Harper ended up with - 11 and Dion with - 7.

[Oleg Bach]

Liberals fan the flames of emotion as do the NDP - of course they are creating panic and lack of confidence in the population as far as economic out come of this blip in the currencey system. The last thing you want in what may turn into a crisis is EMOTION....look to the south as a lesson how the Bushites fanned the flames of fear in their terror hysteria - cost them a bundle and enhanced their money troubles...You would think that Canadians would understand that the Americans Bush Cheney and Rove generated fear with the intent of turning a profit - at least the Americans used the fear weapon against their own foolished population - and - generated a profit for a few - HERE in Canada - the liberals and NDP generate fear for political and reasons of personal glory - with NO pofit for them selves or the nation - ametuers!

[kengs333]

This may be an epiphany for you....

Businesses are in business to make money and they don't make money by standing still. A company that makes $1 a day making 1 widget a day can make $2.1 a day making two widgets a day.

Unless the demand is for 1 widget every other day. When lots of people lose lots of money, they have less money to spend, less confidence to spend, which means that buy less widgets. If a business is given a tax cut so that it supposedly can invest in growth, when there is no chance of that happening, where does the money go?

[kengs333]

Liberals fan the flames of emotion as do the NDP - of course they are creating panic and lack of confidence in the population as far as economic out come of this blip in the currencey system. The last thing you want in what may turn into a crisis is EMOTION....look to the south as a lesson how the Bushites fanned the flames of fear in their terror hysteria - cost them a bundle and enhanced their money troubles...You would think that Canadians would understand that the Americans Bush Cheney and Rove generated fear with the intent of turning a profit - at least the Americans used the fear weapon against their own foolished population - and - generated a profit for a few - HERE in Canada - the liberals and NDP generate fear for political and reasons of personal glory - with NO pofit for them selves or the nation - ametuers!

Sorry, but the stock market is dropping because investors are panacking, and every market analyst, economist that I've seen discussing this current crisis is describing it it very dire language. I think Dion and Layton are simply being more realistic and honest about what is happening--well, as much as a politician can be during an election campaign.

[kengs333]

I don't have to prove anything to an economic illiterate who believes that because his hampster agrees with him there's a general consensus.

The simple answer is that you can't. I've seen your fancifully nonsensical ravings about Conservative fiscal imprudence, your defense of Mulroney's destruction of our economy in the late 80s and early 90s.

I don't know why I even dignify your crude and obtuse posts.

[Argus]

The simple answer is that you can't. I've seen your fancifully nonsensical ravings about Conservative fiscal imprudence, your defense of Mulroney's destruction of our economy in the late 80s and early 90s.

Would those be the ones where I provided you with exact figures for how the debt was built up and when, and why, and to which you had nothing to answer with but uncomfortable silence?

I don't know why I even dignify your crude and obtuse posts.

Do you even know what obtuse means or did you just hear it somewhere and sort of, kind of get the general idea and think it'll make you look intelligent and educated?

Edited October 9, 2008 by Argus

[Argus]

Unless the demand is for 1 widget every other day.

I think the subject you're trying to convey is related to inelasticity of demand. It doesn't work on a single company level.

Consider yourself more educated.

[White Doors]

The pride in such anemic growth and the dismissal of the pain others will feel in this economy is probably why Harper feels on the defensive during this election.

So he is losing popularity because he is proud of his country?