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[White Doors]

But how much does that really buy in Alberta? Not much in many cases.

Are you seriously saying that Venezualans are better off?

Have you been to Alberta before?

[White Doors]

Your comparing a city of 60000 to a city of under 9000. Nice....

As far as that logic goes, you might as well have told me to drive around Winnipeg and then Toronto.

Drive around Calgary and then drive around Winnipeg?

[Smallc]

Are you seriously saying that Venezualans are better off?

Have you been to Alberta before?

Do you seriously think that is what I was saying? Really. Calgary is yes, much bigger and richer than Winnipeg.

What i was really saying, is that we shouldn't get all indignant with the I'm better than you because....stuff. Of course Alberta is a better place than Venezuela. Of course its better off than Manitoba. I just dislike the whole I'm better because I'm richer than you thing. I really do agree with everything you say, I just dislike that line of thought. And sometimes I just like to argue for the sake of argument.

And yes, I've been to Alberta. Beautiful place.

Edited October 6, 2008 by Smallc

[Smallc]

Cost of living in Alberta isn't much different than anywhere else....$52,000 a year still allows you to live in relative comfort.

Well, that means I was wrong then and I admit it. The only thing I will point out is that $52000 is about $7000 above the average Canadian income.

[White Doors]

Do you seriously think that is what I was saying? Really. Calgary is yes, much bigger and richer than Winnipeg.

What i was really saying, is that we shouldn't get all indignant with the I'm better than you because....stuff. Of course Alberta is a better place than Venezuela. Of course its better off than Manitoba. I just dislike the whole I'm better because I'm richer than you thing. I really do agree with everything you say, I just dislike that line of thought. And sometimes I just like to argue for the sake of argument.

And yes, I've been to Alberta. Beautiful place.

No one was saying that they were any better than anyone else in my opinion.

What I was saying is that the individual should be able to pursue a lifestyle that they want and it is in the individuals best interests for the government to gt out of their way - more often than not.

[Smallc]

No one was saying that they were any better than anyone else in my opinion.

What I was saying is that the individual should be able to pursue a lifestyle that they want and it is in the individuals best interests for the government to gt out of their way - more often than not.

I'm not even really sure why I was arguing to tell you the truth. I just said something off hand and ran with it. I agree with you.

[kengs333]

PR is the system most desired by people whose beliefs are so off the beten track they cannot get anyone elected.....it is the political system of systemic losers...

Wouldn't that mean that you'd be championing the cause, then?

It's already been often effectively proven that PR is a more democratic system because the representation more closely reflects the popular vote. Our system favours regionally based parties such as the Bloc and Conservatives, whereas parties that have a more broad-based support like the Greens and NDP don't get the proper representation. The only party that has succeeded in overcoming this is the Liberals.

It could easily be argued that people who support the FPTP aren't truly democratic and want to maintain a system that caters to their narrow political outlook and maintains the status quo. Canada faces some serious problems, but the system is so rigid that it is very slow to respond.

[Smallc]

Our system favours regionally based parties such as the Bloc and Conservatives

The Conservatives are no more of a regional party than the Liberals are.

[kengs333]

The Conservatives are no more of a regional party than the Liberals are.

Yes they are. They're still basically the Reform/CA, but have support in the east because people are too delusional to see them for what they are or there are no better alternatives.

[White Doors]

Yes they are. They're still basically the Reform/CA, but have support in the east because people are too delusional to see them for what they are or there are no better alternatives.

Ok then...

Well the Liberals are a regional special interest party that are only popular in Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver.

wow, that was easy and simplistic.

no wonder some people debate in this manner

[M.Dancer]

Yes they are. They're still basically the Reform/CA, but have support in the east because people are too delusional to see them for what they are or there are no better alternatives.

Yeah that's it...delusional.

Maligning someone's democratic choice is the epitomy of partisan stupidity and the acme of the anti democratic spirit.

[independent]

http://www.canadaimmigrants.com/Winnipegliving.asp

http://www.canadaimmigrants.com/Calgaryliving.asp

http://calsun.canoe.ca/Business/2006/05/18/1586849.html

http://www.camagazine.com/4/6/5/4/5/index1.shtml

Edited October 6, 2008 by independent

[kengs333]

Maligning someone's democratic choice is the epitomy of partisan stupidity and the acme of the anti democratic spirit.

Oh, yeah, you're soooo above that...

The truth is, though, I don't think there is a mainstream party in Canadian history that has such a sordid, dubious past as does the Conservative Party. Well back to the early 1900s the party has had problems with seperatism, religious fundamentalism, and white supremacism, and these problems continue although they are much more muted. The party is just not what it claims to be, and if you think it's "partisan stupidity" to suggest that voters are being deceived, then that is just as much the "epitomy" [epitome] partisanship.

I think you should know better by now not to refer to, or to allude to, the fact that someone, in your opinion, is stupid.

[kengs333]

Ok then...

Well the Liberals are a regional special interest party that are only popular in Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver.

wow, that was easy and simplistic.

no wonder some people debate in this manner

Hmmm... no. I think any political scientist will tell you that the Liberals are the only party that is and has consistantly has been a national party.

What were Harper's words when he made his post-victory speech in 2006? Something about the West finally being in? I think when the leader of a party is simply concerned with the representation of one region of Canada being represented in Ottawa, that makes his party a regional party.

Face it, your party doesn't care much for Maritimers... thinks that you're all lazy and useless...

[M.Dancer]

Oh, yeah, you're soooo above that...

The truth is, though, I don't think there is a mainstream party in Canadian history that has such a sordid, dubious past as does the Conservative Party. Well back to the early 1900s the party has had problems ......

So that the party that didn't exist in the 1900s has a sordid past well back in the 1900s....?

religious fundamentalism, and white supremacism, and these problems continue although they are much more muted.

Was it the Liberals or a party that did not exist in the day that worked to block Jews fleeing NAZI europe?

You might try reading a book one day...

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I think you should know better by now not to refer to, or to allude to, the fact that someone, in your opinion, is stupid.

You're right. You save me the effort.

[kengs333]

So that the party that didn't exist in the 1900s has a sordid past well back in the 1900s....?

Sure it did. It was known as the Canadian Alliance, the Reform Party, Social Credit Party, United Farmers of Alberta, etc. etc. Klan activity in the West was a noted aspect of politics in the region in the 1920s and 1930s. And then there is western seperatism, republicanism, and all that nonsense.

Was it the Liberals or a party that did not exist in the day that worked to block Jews fleeing NAZI europe?

We're talking about white supremacism in western Canada, not the expulsion of Jews from Nazi Germany.

You might try reading a book one day...

Funnily enough, I have about a score [that means 20] on the go at any given time...

You're right. You save me the effort.

Are you incapable of making at least one post that is entirely measured and civil?

[White Doors]

Hmmm... no. I think any political scientist will tell you that the Liberals are the only party that is and has consistantly has been a national party.

What were Harper's words when he made his post-victory speech in 2006? Something about the West finally being in? I think when the leader of a party is simply concerned with the representation of one region of Canada being represented in Ottawa, that makes his party a regional party.

Face it, your party doesn't care much for Maritimers... thinks that you're all lazy and useless...

It wasn't the post victory speech, he made it while still campaigning.

I will leave it to you to source your own allegations, I am just posting lazily like someone else I know. You know, making claims as fact and refusing to back them up? yep.

ahhh.. another crack at maritimers. Why do you hate Canada so much Kengs?

[Wild Bill]

Hmmm... no. I think any political scientist will tell you that the Liberals are the only party that is and has consistantly has been a national party.

What were Harper's words when he made his post-victory speech in 2006? Something about the West finally being in? I think when the leader of a party is simply concerned with the representation of one region of Canada being represented in Ottawa, that makes his party a regional party.

Face it, your party doesn't care much for Maritimers... thinks that you're all lazy and useless...

Well then, are you agreeing that the West was OUT? Are you implying that the fact that the Liberals for some time had only one or two MP's like "Landslide Annie" McLellan counts as representing the whole West and makes the Liberals a national party?

Somehow it seems like you are trying to have it both ways for the Liberals and no way at all for the Tories.

As for Harper's speech, do you truly believe that the majority of Westerners have felt like the Liberals cared for their interests for the past few decades, if ever?

Don't try to give me nitpicking historical details. I don't live in the West. You'd have to convince the Western half of Canada.

Why don't you imply they are stupid for eschewing the Liberals a bit more. That oughta do it!

[M.Dancer]

We're talking about white supremacism in western Canada, not the expulsion of Jews from Nazi Germany.

So the fact that they were turned away at Canada's door is not relevant to your notion?

You can pick and choose what you want to talk about, but it doesn't change the fact that you don't know what you're talking about.

[kengs333]

So the fact that they were turned away at Canada's door is not relevant to your notion?

It's not relevant to this particular discussion. We're talking about the influence of white supremacism on conservative parties in Western Canada, and how this has been an issue since the early 1900s. If you can find me evidence that members of the KKK were active in the Liberal party, I'd be more than interested in researching that further.