Conservative mismanagement in Alberta

[independent]

http://www.thestar.com/columnists/article/266580

If Harper runs the country any where near as bad as Alberta we are in trouble. Uncharging Oil companies and waste their wealth. If the conservatives can not run an oil rich province like Alberta how can they run Canada.

[Bryan]

http://www.thestar.com/columnists/article/266580

If Harper runs the country any where near as bad as Alberta we are in trouble. Uncharging Oil companies and waste their wealth. If the conservatives can not run an oil rich province like Alberta how can they run Canada.

Sure, Stelmach's ship is not as tightly run as Klein's was, but with an absolutely booming economy, an unemployment rate that is a negative number, and no debt, the other provinces can only dream of being run "any where near as bad as Alberta". Does Stelmach have problems that need addressing? Yup. But man, are they ever good problems to have in comparison. Having the country run exactly the way Alberta has been run for the last couple decades would be the best thing that could ever happen to us as a nation.

[jdobbin]

Having the country run exactly the way Alberta has been run for the last couple decades would be the best thing that could ever happen to us as a nation.

Alberta easily outspends the most conservative governments anywhere else in Canada. That is good management?

[craiger]

Sure, Stelmach's ship is not as tightly run as Klein's was, but with an absolutely booming economy, an unemployment rate that is a negative number, and no debt, the other provinces can only dream of being run "any where near as bad as Alberta". Does Stelmach have problems that need addressing? Yup. But man, are they ever good problems to have in comparison. Having the country run exactly the way Alberta has been run for the last couple decades would be the best thing that could ever happen to us as a nation.

I would have agreed with you a few years ago but as a experienced manager in the oilsands I would like to challenge you on the economics, the environment and the social impacts that have been made against us true blood Albertans. Hit me with a question

[independent]

Sure, Stelmach's ship is not as tightly run as Klein's was, but with an absolutely booming economy, an unemployment rate that is a negative number, and no debt, the other provinces can only dream of being run "any where near as bad as Alberta". Does Stelmach have problems that need addressing? Yup. But man, are they ever good problems to have in comparison. Having the country run exactly the way Alberta has been run for the last couple decades would be the best thing that could ever happen to us as a nation.

Would you please read the article before commenting. Stelmach was leaved with huge problems that should never have happened. Alberta has been poorly managed for years. Of course unemployment is low in Alberta if you have no job there you move away because you can not afford to live there.

[Moonbox]

Independent Alberta is doing terrificly well right now. I agree oil royalties should be increased and that's where it looks like it's going under the new premier, but saying Alberta has been run badly is a little silly given how well the province has actually done over the last 15 years.

A conservative premier is going to raise oil royalties after a conservative premier oversaw the biggest economic boom anywhere in the country has EVER seen.

What are you getting at, especially when you're citing the Toronto Star which is the most pro-Liberal newspaper in existence?

[independent]

Independent Alberta is doing terrificly well right now. I agree oil royalties should be increased and that's where it looks like it's going under the new premier, but saying Alberta has been run badly is a little silly given how well the province has actually done over the last 15 years.

A conservative premier is going to raise oil royalties after a conservative premier oversaw the biggest economic boom anywhere in the country has EVER seen.

What are you getting at, especially when you're citing the Toronto Star which is the most pro-Liberal newspaper in existence?

I have family and friends in Alberta that have a much different idea than you. If you have read the article and still have the same opinion I quess nothing is going to change your mind. If a Wealthy province like Alberta can not be in better shape its too bad.

[Pliny]

Once again, I would change my name form independent..to perhaps.."dependent".

[craiger]

For anyone that would like a grasp on Alberta I welcome them a fly over the oilsands I will give tour describing the process how raw bitumen is axtracted and how it is processed and show the environmental impacts free of charge. I promise no position but a educational experience. Then you can come talk to hard working familys only condition i will make

Come free of charge all you need to do is come here. contact me at [email protected]

[Keepitsimple]

http://www.thestar.com/columnists/article/266580

If Harper runs the country any where near as bad as Alberta we are in trouble. Uncharging Oil companies and waste their wealth. If the conservatives can not run an oil rich province like Alberta how can they run Canada.

That article is one year old.....Stelmach raised the Royalties quite some time ago and has started to take SOME environmental action. The oil companies weren't too happy. Since this was the main point of your post, what the heck are you trying to say?

[TCCK]

That article is one year old.....Stelmach raised the Royalties quite some time ago and has started to take SOME environmental action. The oil companies weren't too happy. Since this was the main point of your post, what the heck are you trying to say?

It was just another poor sport Liberal or NDPer trying desperately to make the Western Conservatives look as evil as Hilter's regime.

Terrible failure has once again hit this forum.

[craiger]

That article is one year old.....Stelmach raised the Royalties quite some time ago and has started to take SOME environmental action. The oil companies weren't too happy. Since this was the main point of your post, what the heck are you trying to say?

wrong! increased royalty's past 1cent on the barrel has not kicked in it is still in limbo as for the Environment stelmache built a highway over tailing ponds when the duck fiasco happened that is his environmental action. burrying toxic sludge!

true story, those that do not believe i have already said i would give tour free of charge of the oilsands pictures will be shown the before that I have been restricted to show

Edited September 28, 2008 by craiger

[Canadian Blue]

Which is why we should all model our economic system after Ontario, afterall aren't they having a booming economy right now?

[Smallc]

Which is why we should all model our economic system after Ontario, afterall aren't they having a booming economy right now?

Almost nothing that is happening right now is Ontario's fault.

[independent]

It was just another poor sport Liberal or NDPer trying desperately to make the Western Conservatives look as evil as Hilter's regime.

Terrible failure has once again hit this forum.

I can see why your employees like you so much.

[Canadian Blue]

Almost nothing that is happening right now is Ontario's fault.

Let me guess, it's the governments fault for not nationalizing all manufacturing industries right?

[Smallc]

Let me guess, it's the governments fault for not nationalizing all manufacturing industries right?

No, it has very little to do with anything happening in Canada. BTW, I'm somewere between liberal and conservative. I'm not a socialist.

Edited September 28, 2008 by Smallc

[Canadian Blue]

No, it has very little to do with anything happening in Canada. BTW, I'm somewere between liberal and conservative. I'm not a socialist.

My mistake, I thought you were referencing the call of many to fully subsidize each one of the manufacturing plants in Ontario that are being closed down.

[blueblood]

Almost nothing that is happening right now is Ontario's fault.

So having sky high corporate taxes is a good thing. How is it that there is a waiting list to get John Deere machinery yet they close a factory in Ontario???

Edited September 29, 2008 by blueblood

[Moonbox]

So having sky high corporate taxes is a good thing. How is it that there is a waiting list to get John Deere machinery yet they close a factory in Ontario???

Not that I'm really arguing with you, but Ontario only has high corporate INVESTMENT taxes. What Flaherty has been questioning Ontario on is their strategy to have the 4th highest capital investment tax rate of any state/province/country in the WORLD. That means that Ontario HEAVILY taxes new investment in the economy. It's sickening how stupid it is.

"Well the economy is going down the crapper. What now?"

McGuinty: "Well for starters we can heavily tax the companies that want to EXPAND business in Ontario and replace jobs being lost and then give tax cuts and hand outs to companies that are cutting jobs by the thousands."

Right....

[independent]

So having sky high corporate taxes is a good thing. How is it that there is a waiting list to get John Deere machinery yet they close a factory in Ontario???

http://www.cp24.com/servlet/an/local/CTVNe...2/?hub=CP24Home

They are closing the plant because of the value of the Canadian dollar. It is a problem that exist in all the provinces not just in Ontario. There is a high cost of selling manufactured goods in the States. They have made in the states rules where a certain percentage of the product has too be produced there adding huge costs too production. Some people feel are dollar is too high. A lot of times our maufacturing can not compete because of the high cost of labour compared to say mexico. There is a lot more too it besides taxes. Obviously if they are not making money they would not be paying that much taxes.

[Moonbox]

Ontario's tax system discourages new investment that would create and sustain new jobs to replace the ones being lost. What's your explanation for that?

[independent]

Ontario's tax system discourages new investment that would create and sustain new jobs to replace the ones being lost. What's your explanation for that?

That is the line that companies will tell you but they want to mazimize profit. If they have to pay taxed it is because they are making money. The real problem is the value of the dollar. People with a lot of money would like to keep the dollar value up. If you want to create jobs you drop the value of the dollar making Canada more competive in manufacturing. It is really a struggle between resource rich provinces and provinces depending on maufacturing llike Ontario.

[fellowtraveller]

"It is really a struggle between resource rich provinces and provinces depending on maufacturing llike Ontario. "

Only in the minds of Neanderthyal dimwits like McGuinty.

And his acolytes.

regarding your offer on the free aerial tour of the oilsands, I'll take you up on that. Contact me by private message and we'll arrange a time.