Does anyone in Toronto want the conservatives in power, again?

[Rain]

Don’t get me wrong, but I am trying to find conservative voters in the business world and its very difficult. Seriously who votes conservative in Toronto?

Edited September 27, 2008 by Rain

[Argus]

Don’t get me wrong, but I am trying to find conservative voters in the business world and its very difficult. Seriously who votes conservative in Toronto?

The few adult residents of Toronto who were born here and not gay?

[Smallc]

The few adult residents of Toronto who were born here and not gay?

Well that was a post filled with intelligence.

[Argus]

Well that was a post filled with intelligence.

It'd be interesting, nonetheless, to poll just Canadian born residents of Toronto and see how the numbers added up.

[CANADIEN]

It'd be interesting, nonetheless, to poll just Canadian born residents of Toronto and see how the numbers added up.

Let's also poll them on their opinion about slavery, shall we?

[Rain]

I am looking for conservative salespeople for an election debate show in Toronto. Any body interested

Please contact me [email protected]

Edited September 27, 2008 by Rain

[Wild Bill]

I am looking for conservative salespeople for an election debate show in Toronto. Any body interested

Please contact me [email protected]

Good luck! Sales is a "meet as many people as possible" profession. The very LAST thing a smart salesperson wants to do is to get tagged as a specific political supporter! It could be the kiss of death to his sales success!

If such a conservative salesperson appeared in your debate, would you not expect that a good number of Liberal and NDP customers would be upset with him? That they would be less inclined to do any business with him?

If you do find one, don't be surprised if he's a bit dim.

Hopefully, that's not what you were looking for anyway. Stacking a panel to make your own POV look good is a very old tactic indeed.

[Keepitsimple]

Don’t get me wrong, but I am trying to find conservative voters in the business world and its very difficult. Seriously who votes conservative in Toronto?

It's an interesting question. Both the NDP and Liberals accuse the Conservatives of being in the pocket of "Big Business".....yet it was the Liberals who collected huge contributions from corporations to fund the party......now that they are prohibited from accepting large corporate donations and have to raise funds from ordinary Canadians, they are on the verge of bankruptcy.

A more pertinent question would be "Why does Toronto keep voting LIberal". With 100 Ontario MP's and 3 majority Liberal governments, they have done nothing for cities, nothing for Poverty, and slashed transfer payments to Ontario for Health and Education.

It would make perfect sense for Toronto to try electing Conservative MP's and see if they could influence the Cities Agenda. What have they got to lose? The Liberals have done NOTHING.

Edited September 28, 2008 by Keepitsimple

[Who's Doing What?]

The few adult residents of Toronto who were born here and not gay?

So typically insightful of you argus.

[Shakeyhands]

The few adult residents of Toronto who were born here and not gay?

Otherwise known as the ignorant and intolerant bigots? Funny how name calling works both ways eh?

[Smallc]

It'd be interesting, nonetheless, to poll just Canadian born residents of Toronto and see how the numbers added up.

That would imply that those particular residents somehow matter more than the rest of the Torontonians.

[Argus]

That would imply that those particular residents somehow matter more than the rest of the Torontonians.

I think they do. I like Canadians more than foreigners.

Everyone knows the Liberals have been catering to immigrants for decades. The media isn't at all shy about saying that much of the Immigrant vote remains locked up by the Liberals. I think this is relevent in a couple of ways. First, its confirmation that immigration policy has been driven by politics the last few decades, rather than the well-being of Canada. Second, it confirms that immigrants don't become Canadian in their thoughts and deeds just because three years after arrival someone gives them a piece of paper.

Personally, I would not let immigrants vote until they've been here at least twenty years.

[Smallc]

I think they do. I like Canadians more than foreigners.

Alright then.

Everyone knows the Liberals have been catering to immigrants for decades. The media isn't at all shy about saying that much of the Immigrant vote remains locked up by the Liberals.

Even last election I remember the media saying that many immigrants were changing to the conservatives. They couldn't be getting the polling numbers they are right now if they weren't.

[CANADIEN]

I think they do. I like Canadians more than foreigners.

And I think the opinion and vote of ALL law-abiding citizens matters equaly, no matter where they were born and how long they have been here. And yes, it even includes xenophobes, homophobes and pro-slavery types.

Edited September 29, 2008 by CANADIEN

[Argus]

Alright then.

Even last election I remember the media saying that many immigrants were changing to the conservatives. They couldn't be getting the polling numbers they are right now if they weren't.

What's your explanation for the strength of Liberal support in Vancouver and Toronto? Are the people of Vancouver and Toronto simply immune to the basic considerations most other Canadians give to their voting strategies? Oh wait, let me guess, they're smarter and more sophisticated than people elsewhere?

[Shakeyhands]

What's your explanation for the strength of Liberal support in Vancouver and Toronto? Are the people of Vancouver and Toronto simply immune to the basic considerations most other Canadians give to their voting strategies? Oh wait, let me guess, they're smarter and more sophisticated than people elsewhere?

I'll play. Interesting question with no easy answer. I think the level of sophistication may certainly play in to it all, or maybe sophistication isn't really the word we want to use, however I think issues in cities are certainly more complex than in rural areas.

Given that there is a gap between education levels and scores between the Rural and Urban populations, according to the Canadian Council on Learning, the Urban people can certainly be considered 'smarter' on the whole. Wouldn't you say?

http://www.ccl-cca.ca/CCL/Reports/LessonsI...L1March2006.htm

[White Doors]

I'll play. Interesting question with no easy answer. I think the level of sophistication may certainly play in to it all, or maybe sophistication isn't really the word we want to use, however I think issues in cities are certainly more complex than in rural areas.

Given that there is a gap between education levels and scores between the Rural and Urban populations, according to the Canadian Council on Learning, the Urban people can certainly be considered 'smarter' on the whole. Wouldn't you say?

http://www.ccl-cca.ca/CCL/Reports/LessonsI...L1March2006.htm

I think that is an elitist view for sure. Urban people are smarter than rural people?

Hence conservatives are dumb.

Yes, yes - I get it. However, do you think it is SMART to cast potential voters are stupid?

Isn't that stupid in and of itself? I think it is.

Also, the amount of education you have doesn't do anything to affect your intelligence. It merely affects how educated you are. You would think a 'smart' person would know that.

My theory is that urban people can more easily 'see' government in their everyday life.. From street sweepers, sidewalks, police, fire, ambulance etc etc etc, urban people 'see' governmnet involvement in their lives on a much larger scale than a rural person would on a daily basis - ergo, they are more likely to vote for a politcal party that espouses 'big government'.

(Or at the very least, not as opposed to it)

Ironically, your post for urban (therefore leftwing) voters being smarter - does a grave disservice to your theory.

Edited September 29, 2008 by White Doors

[Moonbox]

Alright then.

Even last election I remember the media saying that many immigrants were changing to the conservatives. They couldn't be getting the polling numbers they are right now if they weren't.

Well then, if you've got testimony from yourself backing up your own opinion then you must be right....

Liberal support is strongest (and almost exclusive) to large urban communities with large ethnic populations. It's very much a fact that the Liberals pandered to the immigrant population and that it WAS just politics on their part. Their whole 'family reunification' program was one giant pander to this very specific crowd.

It did not matter that better qualified and more skilled english-speaking immigrants were waiting in several year long back-logs at Canada Immigration, all that mattered was that immigrant families were allowed to bring thousands and thousands of unskilled, unqualified and often social assistance leeching family members from their home countries. Why? Not because it was good for Canada and not because there was any moral obligation on our part to do so. It was because this is what solidified the ethnic vote for the Liberals.

[Shakeyhands]

I think that is an elitist view for sure. Urban people are smarter than rural people?

Hence conservatives are dumb.

Yes, yes - I get it. However, do you think it is SMART to cast potential voters are stupid?

Isn't that stupid in and of itself? I think it is.

Also, the amount of education you have doesn't do anything to affect your intelligence. It merely affects how educated you are. You would think a 'smart' person would know that.

My theory is that urban people can more easily 'see' government in their everyday life.. From street sweepers, sidewalks, police, fire, ambulance etc etc etc, urban people 'see' governmnet involvement in their lives on a much larger scale than a rural person would on a daily basis - ergo, they are more likely to vote for a politcal party that espouses 'big government'.

(Or at the very least, not as opposed to it)

Ironically, your post for urban (therefore leftwing) voters being smarter - does a grave disservice to your theory.

Again, just a theory based on a CCL study... I'm saying no such thing and I think the point I did make mirrored your point about seeing Gov't. Easy tiger.

[Argus]

I'll play. Interesting question with no easy answer. I think the level of sophistication may certainly play in to it all, or maybe sophistication isn't really the word we want to use, however I think issues in cities are certainly more complex than in rural areas.

Given that there is a gap between education levels and scores between the Rural and Urban populations, according to the Canadian Council on Learning, the Urban people can certainly be considered 'smarter' on the whole. Wouldn't you say?

http://www.ccl-cca.ca/CCL/Reports/LessonsI...L1March2006.htm

We're not talking about the gap between farmer brown and a guy who works on Bay street here. Do you actually think Toronto city residents are smarter than people living in smaller cities across the country, or, for that matter, people living in the bedroom communities surrounding Toronto? Ottawa is actually not that much different in that downtown ridings - or any ridings with a large percentage of Francophones - go Liberal every year, while most of the surrounding suburban ridings go Conservative. Ottawa-Vanier, for example, has about 20% Francophones and has always gone Liberal. Ottawa-South has a lot of immigrants and always goes Liberal. I mean there isn't even the slight threat either of those will go anywhere else, even in a Tory landslide. Ottawa Centre has the gay community, lots of people on welfare, more immigrants, and the DINKS, and tends towards an NDP/Liberal split. The Tories never win in these areas. Never. However, if you look at the surrounding ridings where people go home at night from their downtown jobs, that's where the Tories are competitive, and usually win.

[Argus]

Why was this moved to Local politics anyway?

[White Doors]

Why was this moved to Local politics anyway?

Because contrary to public opinion, Toronto is not the centre of the universe.

[blueblood]

Again, just a theory based on a CCL study... I'm saying no such thing and I think the point I did make mirrored your point about seeing Gov't. Easy tiger.

Those guys at CCL need to go to their universities and ask for a refund.

[Shakeyhands]

We're not talking about the gap between farmer brown and a guy who works on Bay street here. Do you actually think Toronto city residents are smarter than people living in smaller cities across the country, or, for that matter, people living in the bedroom communities surrounding Toronto? Ottawa is actually not that much different in that downtown ridings - or any ridings with a large percentage of Francophones - go Liberal every year, while most of the surrounding suburban ridings go Conservative. Ottawa-Vanier, for example, has about 20% Francophones and has always gone Liberal. Ottawa-South has a lot of immigrants and always goes Liberal. I mean there isn't even the slight threat either of those will go anywhere else, even in a Tory landslide. Ottawa Centre has the gay community, lots of people on welfare, more immigrants, and the DINKS, and tends towards an NDP/Liberal split. The Tories never win in these areas. Never. However, if you look at the surrounding ridings where people go home at night from their downtown jobs, that's where the Tories are competitive, and usually win.

Dunno, most people I know from rural areas seem to be pretty bright... who knows, though I'm not sure we can argue about what the CCL found.

As far as the other point, look at ridings like mine, Oshawa, the left splits the vote it seems every recent election and the CPC sneaks in, with guys like Colin Carrie...

[JB Globe]

I think they do. I like Canadians more than foreigners.

Contrary to your own fringe opinion, Canadian citizens are Canadians, not foreigners, no matter where they were born.

Everyone knows the Liberals have been catering to immigrants for decades.

All politicians cater. Stop me if I'm saying something you don't already know.

I don't see what's more problematic about Libs catering to new Canadians versus Cons catering to Anglo-Canadians.

Of course, things are changing, if you watched the national two nights ago they did four reports on ethnicity and the election - while it's true that recent immigrants are somewhat more likely to NOT vote conservative, conservative support has been growing in most communities just like it has the rest of the country.

Do you know why? Because (GASP!) non-white folks care just as much about "normal" issues as you do! And those are their primary motivating factors in voting.

Oh, and BTW - I wouldn't necessarily call policies like the Multicultural Act catering - that's just straight government, as evidenced by how well it's worked out (and spare me the sky is falling routine - that's 30 years old, and I've yet to see another nation deal with immigration better than we do).

Personally, I would not let immigrants vote until they've been here at least twenty years.

And we all know how popular that idea is.