wulf42 Posted September 30, 2008 Author Report Posted September 30, 2008 (edited) Am I to understand that you agree then?In fact, should we not also eliminate the useless concept of citizenship as well? In fact, using the logic used for the elimination of gun control, Gun control is completely useless.......since the only people it affects are the hunters and sportsmen.................the Government is trying to line their pockets with these peoples money while actually trying to sell the Canadian public that it is safer when in actual fact the Government is simply doing what it always does to honest people and screw them over and take their money and use it on their new cars...pools...Vacations...etc....while the criminals who have uzi's and AK-47'S which i am sure don t worry to much about gun laws or any other laws go about their business getting more guns and killing people with guns that aren 't supposed to be in Canada.....but at least the Government has control of Grandpa's old double barrell 12 Gauge...we can all sleep better...lol Edited September 30, 2008 by wulf42 Quote
Pliny Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 Am I to understand that you agree then?In fact, should we not also eliminate the useless concept of citizenship as well? Yeah... that is useless. WE should foster the concept of the multi-cultural global citizen! Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
blueblood Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 No plagarism here. This is original Topaz thought. The Chris Rock routine suggested making bullets extremely expensive - not illegal. Original my ass, the toaster was plagiarized. The toaster should be raising hell. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
PoliticalCitizen Posted October 2, 2008 Report Posted October 2, 2008 I agree that gun control doesn't work. What would work would be a BAN on ALL types of GUNS for civilians. The gun's sole purpose is to KILL. Aquiring a gun means intending to KILL an animal or a human. We should not be allowing INSTRUMENTS OF MURDER to be sold, bought or kept by civilians. Quote You are what you do.
wulf42 Posted October 2, 2008 Author Report Posted October 2, 2008 (edited) I agree that gun control doesn't work.What would work would be a BAN on ALL types of GUNS for civilians. The gun's sole purpose is to KILL. Aquiring a gun means intending to KILL an animal or a human. We should not be allowing INSTRUMENTS OF MURDER to be sold, bought or kept by civilians. So you think its okay for the criminals to have guns?.... which a total ban will have absolutely no effect in stopping...these guns are acquired illegally .....an AK-47 is a banned weapon...an UZI is a banned weapon ...handguns are practically banned in Canada ....yet they are here and all the Gangs have them..................so your idea is to prevent ordinary citizens from owning guns and not being able to protect themselves in an Home invasion?.....that is absolutely absurd!....................since the Government is powerless to stop Gangs and Criminals...and by the time the police arrive for a home invasion.... your wife has already been raped your kids and you are likely dead and the police are just there in time to pick up the pieces and start a dead end investigation....people should be allowed to be armed at home so when some piece of garbage.. crack headed scum bag kicks in your door ....the last thing he see's is a muzzle flash and the community becomes all that much safer ....guns are security! Edited October 2, 2008 by wulf42 Quote
guyser Posted October 2, 2008 Report Posted October 2, 2008 Try this on for size... So you think its okay for the criminals to have drugs?.... which a total ban will have absolutely no effect in stopping...these drugs are acquired illegally .....an pot plant is a banned plant.......yet they are here and all the Gangs have them.............................since the Government is powerless to stop drugs.......people should be allowed to smoke at home so when some piece of garbage.. scum bag kicks in your door ....the last thing he see's is haze of smoke and the community becomes all that much safer ....pot is security! stretching it but it is there. Your argument goes both ways. Neither gun control nor the WonD works. We spend far too much on both. Of course our idiot politicians dont listen. Quote
wulf42 Posted October 2, 2008 Author Report Posted October 2, 2008 Try this on for size...stretching it but it is there. Your argument goes both ways. Neither gun control nor the WonD works. We spend far too much on both. Of course our idiot politicians dont listen. Actually i agree with you.....the war on drugs is a losing battle as well...it can t be stop i don t smoke weed or take any other drugs...but drugs like guns cannot be stopped......but my arguement is since we can t stop the bad guys from getting guns it is only smart to make sure the good guys have them too! Quote
PoliticalCitizen Posted October 2, 2008 Report Posted October 2, 2008 Actually i agree with you.....the war on drugs is a losing battle as well...it can t be stop i don t smoke weed or take any other drugs...but drugs like guns cannot be stopped......but my arguement is since we can t stop the bad guys from getting guns it is only smart to make sure the good guys have them too! The difference between drug and gun is that one is designed to make you high and the other - to kill you. Quote You are what you do.
PoliticalCitizen Posted October 2, 2008 Report Posted October 2, 2008 So you think its okay for the criminals to have guns?.... which a total ban will have absolutely no effect in stopping...these guns are acquired illegally .....an AK-47 is a banned weapon...an UZI is a banned weapon ...handguns are practically banned in Canada ....yet they are hereand all the Gangs have them..................so your idea is to prevent ordinary citizens from owning guns and not being able to protect themselves in an Home invasion?.....that is absolutely absurd!....................since the Government is powerless to stop Gangs and Criminals...and by the time the police arrive for a home invasion.... your wife has already been raped your kids and you are likely dead and the police are just there in time to pick up the pieces and start a dead end investigation....people should be allowed to be armed at home so when some piece of garbage.. crack headed scum bag kicks in your door ....the last thing he see's is a muzzle flash and the community becomes all that much safer ....guns are security! You have a point with the illegal weapons.. so how do they get here? AKs are not produced in North America... About home protection - BS. There are mechanisms in place to protect you (security systems, police, guards etc) that should satisfy the needs of the average citizen. Having a gun in your house is probably more of a risk than a benefit as you may end up being shot with it. Quote You are what you do.
guyser Posted October 2, 2008 Report Posted October 2, 2008 The difference between drug and gun is that one is designed to make you high and the other - to kill you. Not quite. A drug and a gun can kill you. Neither are intended to do so. If you want to take that stand then you best included cars . Cars kill more than drugs and guns do. Skeet shooting & target shooting are all legitimate uses for guns. Unless we want to mourn the passing of a skeet or target. Quote
guyser Posted October 2, 2008 Report Posted October 2, 2008 About home protection - BS. There are mechanisms in place to protect you (security systems, police, guards etc) that should satisfy the needs of the average citizen. Having a gun in your house is probably more of a risk than a benefit as you may end up being shot with it. You might want to check that last fact. As for security systems and police you are dreaming. For one, alarm systems are notoriously useless. Most are telephone line based and for that simple reason are dumb. If the phone line is engaged , or cut, then the alarm is useless. Anyone wanting to kill will not stop for a moment to consider an alarm. Dedicated line alarm are very rare. A cut line is a signal to send help. Of course that help is miles away in most cases so you are still dead or burglarized/robbed. As for blowing away a home invader (for wulf) you will of course be charged and will be in a world of hurt too. Just not the physical kind. I am not saying it wouldnt be worth it, since yu and your family will be safe , just that the laws of this country say you must find a way to retreat from the threat. Castle Doctrine laws would solve this, but I doubt we are near to getting them. See florida/texas for Castle Doctrine laws. It allows one to shoot at the mere threat of bodily injury but not for property violations (AFAIK) Quote
GostHacked Posted October 2, 2008 Report Posted October 2, 2008 I agree that gun control doesn't work.What would work would be a BAN on ALL types of GUNS for civilians. The gun's sole purpose is to KILL. Aquiring a gun means intending to KILL an animal or a human. We should not be allowing INSTRUMENTS OF MURDER to be sold, bought or kept by civilians. In the right circumstances anything can be used as a weapon. I can beat your ass silly with quite a few other objects than just a gun, knife, arrow, nuke, fork, plastic spoons with the sharp edges on them. A big board with a nail in it, a brick. My laptop may not survive after a couple blows to your head, but it should get the job done. Strangulation devices like string should be banned as well. Check out what the Prosecution presents as an instrument of death. It can be anything. Once you take all that away, prepare to eat some fist or foot. Some people ARE an instrument of murder. Quote
wulf42 Posted October 2, 2008 Author Report Posted October 2, 2008 (edited) You have a point with the illegal weapons.. so how do they get here? AKs are not produced in North America...About home protection - BS. There are mechanisms in place to protect you (security systems, police, guards etc) that should satisfy the needs of the average citizen. Having a gun in your house is probably more of a risk than a benefit as you may end up being shot with it. Many of the guns come via the USA..AK'S are a dime a dozen down there........but Canada also has ocean on both side's... God only knows what is in those sea containers that come in everyday into Canadian ports and there are literally millions of AK-47's and 74's on the market today they are cheap and available they are so available in fact that there is a country in Africa that has a picture of the AK on its flag!! (can t remember the name)...... organized crime is likely shipping these weapons into Canada as commonly as Wal Mart brings in their products, just a sad fact of life....and yes there are security devices available...and depending on where you live their effectiveness will make a difference...if you are way out in the Boonies by the time anyone gets to you its too late.....of course if you have children you have to be very careful, my kids grew up around guns and i taught them almost from birth...lol.. how dangerous guns are and that they have to be respected. Edited October 2, 2008 by wulf42 Quote
wulf42 Posted October 2, 2008 Author Report Posted October 2, 2008 (edited) As for blowing away a home invader (for wulf) you will of course be charged and will be in a world of hurt too. Just not the physical kind. I am not saying it wouldnt be worth it, since yu and your family will be safe , just that the laws of this country say you must find a way to retreat from the threat. I always thought if an intruder entered your home you are allowed to use enough force to stop the threat....but i could be wrong on this i will have to check ( a friend of mine is a cop)...but realistically if an intruder is kicking your door in ,he isn't there to just say hi.....there are step's you can take hopefully in order to prevent a home invasion....i watched a program once and they were talking to ex- or imprisoned home invaders...and guess what the number one deterrent is?............a big ass Dog!!..........guess that is why they are man's best friend! Edited October 2, 2008 by wulf42 Quote
guyser Posted October 2, 2008 Report Posted October 2, 2008 I always thought if an intruder entered your home you are allowed to use enough force to stop the threat....but i could be wrong on this i will have to check ( a friend of mine is a cop). You are allowed to use force, but that does not = gun. ..but realistically if an intruder is kicking your door in ,he isn't there to just say hi And if he is unarmed? Thats what I meant by the world of hurt you would be in. I am 50/50 on this one. I want people to be able to defend, but I dont want people to be able to shoot just because of a threat. Quote
wulf42 Posted October 2, 2008 Author Report Posted October 2, 2008 (edited) You are allowed to use force, but that does not = gun. Yes there are other means and god forbid the situation ever happens......but if a man 250-300lbs fueled on some drug is coming at you any weapon other than a gun will likely be used on you. And if he is unarmed? Thats what I meant by the world of hurt you would be in. I am 50/50 on this one. I want people to be able to defend, but I dont want people to be able to shoot just because of a threat. The problem is with this situation you don t know if he's armed but there is a big difference between a burglar and a home invader....there has been a rash of home invasions in Halifax.... all involved a gun or knife ...fortunately nobody got seriously hurt.....nobody including myself ever wants to be faced with a situation that you may have to shoot someone....but to protect your family you do what you have to, even if its just to wound in the leg to stop a threat ...in my case by the time i got off the trigger lock ..unlock the ammunition which of course is locked in another area it probably would be too late anyway....lol ....but i live in a secure building on the 6 th floor some people are not that lucky....i understand what you are saying about a world of hurt....with the Canadian justice system the way it is....the home invader would be painted the victim and the poor bastard just trying to protect himself and his family the evil bad guy and be sued to the ying yang after he got out of jail.....in this way i wish we were more like the USA! Edited October 2, 2008 by wulf42 Quote
guyser Posted October 2, 2008 Report Posted October 2, 2008 ....i understand what you are saying about a world of hurt....with the Canadian justice system the way it is.. I dont think we agree on that point and we can save that for another day. ..the home invader would be painted the victim and the poor bastard just trying to protect himself and his family the evil bad guy and be sued to the ying yang after he got out of jail.....in this way i wish we were more like the USA! No you dont. In many places the world of hurt would be worse. DC for example, NY State,Mass....so many others. From what I know, not Tex,FLa,NH and Az. Quote
PoliticalCitizen Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 Not quite. A drug and a gun can kill you. Neither are intended to do so. If you want to take that stand then you best included cars . Cars kill more than drugs and guns do. Skeet shooting & target shooting are all legitimate uses for guns. Unless we want to mourn the passing of a skeet or target. How can you try defending an absurd clause? What is a gun designed for? Driving? Making you high? Quote You are what you do.
PoliticalCitizen Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 You might want to check that last fact.As for security systems and police you are dreaming. For one, alarm systems are notoriously useless. Most are telephone line based and for that simple reason are dumb. If the phone line is engaged , or cut, then the alarm is useless. Anyone wanting to kill will not stop for a moment to consider an alarm. Dedicated line alarm are very rare. A cut line is a signal to send help. Of course that help is miles away in most cases so you are still dead or burglarized/robbed. As for blowing away a home invader (for wulf) you will of course be charged and will be in a world of hurt too. Just not the physical kind. I am not saying it wouldnt be worth it, since yu and your family will be safe , just that the laws of this country say you must find a way to retreat from the threat. Castle Doctrine laws would solve this, but I doubt we are near to getting them. See florida/texas for Castle Doctrine laws. It allows one to shoot at the mere threat of bodily injury but not for property violations (AFAIK) So what's the point of keeping a gun in the house? Quote You are what you do.
PoliticalCitizen Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 In the right circumstances anything can be used as a weapon. I can beat your ass silly with quite a few other objects than just a gun, knife, arrow, nuke, fork, plastic spoons with the sharp edges on them. A big board with a nail in it, a brick. My laptop may not survive after a couple blows to your head, but it should get the job done. Strangulation devices like string should be banned as well. Check out what the Prosecution presents as an instrument of death. It can be anything. Once you take all that away, prepare to eat some fist or foot. Some people ARE an instrument of murder. Is the spoon designed to kill? How can you compare a dedicated instrument of murder with a kitchen appliance? Are you going to cut your food with a rifle? Quote You are what you do.
guyser Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 How can you try defending an absurd clause?What is a gun designed for? Driving? Making you high? What absurd clause? A gun is designed to be shot. A car is designed to be driven. The fact that both can be used to kill means what? Illegal use is the answer. Quote
guyser Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 So what's the point of keeping a gun in the house? Locked up in a safe, with a trigger lock, with the ammo in a different spot locked up you mean? I guess I dont know. Perhaps the lockers at the gun range were all spoken for. First you have to admit that guns in the hands of collectors are not kept for any other purpose than a hobby or for shooting at a range. Yes hunters use them for hunting, all legal and the only way we could get meat historically. I believe your argument is unsuccesful because you think that guns are only for killing people. And we both know that aint true. Quote
wulf42 Posted October 3, 2008 Author Report Posted October 3, 2008 I believe your argument is unsuccesful because you think that guns are only for killing people. And we both know that aint true. Unfortunately many people do think this........this comes from all the negative tv and of course daily reports of criminal with guns.....people don't think guns are often just used in sport shooting ...hunting...or simply collecting never to have a shot fired through them.....i have owned guns since i was 14 and i am 43 now and i have never used a gun in anything but hunting and these days just target shooting and that is all i ever plan to use them for. Quote
wulf42 Posted October 3, 2008 Author Report Posted October 3, 2008 The difference between drug and gun is that one is designed to make you high and the other - to kill you. Well how many people do you think die each day from drug overdose...i am willing to bet more than die from gunfire.......at least in North America Quote
PoliticalCitizen Posted October 4, 2008 Report Posted October 4, 2008 What absurd clause?A gun is designed to be shot. A car is designed to be driven. The fact that both can be used to kill means what? Illegal use is the answer. A gun is an instrument of killing. A car is a means of transprotation. I guess it's hard to grasp... Quote You are what you do.
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