Whatever happened to KarlHeinz Screiber?

[fellowtraveller]

Haven't heard a peep from old Karl lately.

No word from the much touted parliamentary committee investigating his claims of dire doings with former PM Mulroney.

Whatever happened to the full inquiry promised?

Why isn't Karl in the German jail that should be his home?

[jdobbin]

Haven't heard a peep from old Karl lately.

No word from the much touted parliamentary committee investigating his claims of dire doings with former PM Mulroney.

Whatever happened to the full inquiry promised?

The investigation has been delayed by Harper.

Why isn't Karl in the German jail that should be his home?

Once again, blame Harper. He could have gotten the investigation going a long time ago.

[Fortunata]

Why isn't Karl in the German jail that should be his home?

Because he's in a Canadian jail? He's such a flight risk.

[normanchateau]

The investigation has been delayed by Harper.

Reminiscent of Harper's delay, via CPC MP Art Hangar, of the Cadman allegations.

[Oleg Bach]

Reminiscent of Harper's delay, via CPC MP Art Hangar, of the Cadman allegations.

Same thing happened to him as to Conrad - they are on holidays.

[fellowtraveller]

But I thought Schreiber was going to bring down the government?

When did he go to jail?

Where is the evidence he promised to produce?

And.. why isn't the Opposition howling in righteous indignation at these delays, this mockery of justice?

Edited September 3, 2008 by fellowtraveller

[jdobbin]

And.. why isn't the Opposition howling in righteous indignation at these delays, this mockery of justice?

It looks like the government decided to face an election rather than further investigations into its stalling tactics.

[peter_puck]

But I thought Schreiber was going to bring down the government?

When did he go to jail?

Where is the evidence he promised to produce?

And.. why isn't the Opposition howling in righteous indignation at these delays, this mockery of justice?

Schreiber will never produce evidence - even thought I am sure he could. If he produces evidence that he was involved in a plot to bribe the Prime Minister, then case closed, he goes to Germany where he will never get out of jail. Even if he does get out of jail, he would be charged with bribery in Canada as well.

He just wants to play this game until he dies.

[fellowtraveller]

Schreiber will never produce evidence - even thought I am sure he could. If he produces evidence that he was involved in a plot to bribe the Prime Minister, then case closed, he goes to Germany where he will never get out of jail. Even if he does get out of jail, he would be charged with bribery in Canada as well.

He just wants to play this game until he dies.

You are sure that Schreiber has evidence because..... he says so

It looks like the government decided to face an election rather than further investigations into its stalling tactics.

Nothing stops the Opposition from rising up and shouting for justice, demanding the investigation begin. Why have we not heard a peep from them for many months? I know this is an inconvenient question and you don't want to answer.... maybe they don't want to acknowledge that Scvhreiber has played them for fools, all of them.

[jdobbin]

Nothing stops the Opposition from rising up and shouting for justice, demanding the investigation begin. Why have we not heard a peep from them for many months? I know this is an inconvenient question and you don't want to answer.... maybe they don't want to acknowledge that Scvhreiber has played them for fools, all of them.

I've always said Harper should send him back to Germany, cancel the investigation and call everyone's bluff. Why hasn't he?

[Topaz]

I thought Screiber was released on bail and he is waiting for the trial that Harper said would happen. Would it still happen if there's an election?

[fellowtraveller]

I thought Screiber was released on bail and he is waiting for the trial that Harper said would happen. Would it still happen if there's an election?

Trial?

\Trial for what?

Nobody has been charged with anything, other than Screiber who has managed to remain in Canada while we wait for his socalled 'evidence' to surface.

What I don't understand is that if he actually possesses anything and refuses to prodcue it, why haven't the RCMP seized every scrap of paper he owns?

Or could it be that there is f**k all to seize, and Karl has been playing us all like a 2 dollar violin? Wouldn't that thoroughly chap a lot of Liberal asses?

[Topaz]

Trial?

\Trial for what?

Nobody has been charged with anything, other than Screiber who has managed to remain in Canada while we wait for his socalled 'evidence' to surface.

What I don't understand is that if he actually possesses anything and refuses to prodcue it, why haven't the RCMP seized every scrap of paper he owns?

Or could it be that there is f**k all to seize, and Karl has been playing us all like a 2 dollar violin? Wouldn't that thoroughly chap a lot of Liberal asses?

Well IF Mulroney thinks there no proof and ANY wrong doing on his part why wouldn`t HE push Harper to bring it on!!

[DanInOttawa]

But I thought Schreiber was going to bring down the government?

When did he go to jail?

Where is the evidence he promised to produce?

And.. why isn't the Opposition howling in righteous indignation at these delays, this mockery of justice?

Schreiber is a joke. A joke where the punch line is old. If there was anything to be had the oppostion would be all over it. The truth is, the media dropped this a long time ago. Where the media goso do todays oppostion parties. All of them. Remember when it was +10 in Jan. and the opposition leaders were lined up out side of parliment waiting to be interviewed by the press "out side" in "January" in "short sleves" WOW what a story. It's the same thing here. No story, no opposition.

[Bryan]

The investigation is ongoing. They are still actively gathering witnesses. There have been regular calls for people who have any information to come forward. There was full pager in the paper this week even. The biggest delay is lack of evidence. There are a lot of allegations, but actual proof has so far been really hard to come by. Deadline for submissions to the inquiry is the end of this month.

[peter_puck]

You are sure that Schreiber has evidence because..... he says so

It is not what he has said that makes me think he has evidence. It is what Mulroney said and did. I don't know what the real story is, I just know Brian is lying about it (just like he lied on his taxes about it).

I don't think Schreiber is telling the truth either. I am just saying he knows the truth.

[peter_puck]

I've always said Harper should send him back to Germany, cancel the investigation and call everyone's bluff. Why hasn't he?

Because then people can cry cover up. Sending him away so he could not appear before this investigation. It would be foolish for Harper to do that.

Right now Harper is not connected to Mulroney's corrupt behavior. If Harper is be said to be covering up for it, then a historical scandal becomes linked to the current government.

Also, as I said earlier, Schreiber wants to tell the truth as much as Mulroney does. The more the Schreiber circus continues, the more focus is on Schreiber dog and pony show rather than the actions of Mulroney.

[Bryan]

Because then people can cry cover up. Sending him away so he could not appear before this investigation. It would be foolish for Harper to do that.

Right now Harper is not connected to Mulroney's corrupt behavior. If Harper is be said to be covering up for it, then a historical scandal becomes linked to the current government.

And Harper has said essentially the same thing. In his One On One interview with Peter Mansbridge, he said that the inquiry will run on its own. He said he's well aware that he's not objective and won't be seen as such, so he's staying out of it.

[jdobbin]

Because then people can cry cover up. Sending him away so he could not appear before this investigation. It would be foolish for Harper to do that.

Right now Harper is not connected to Mulroney's corrupt behavior. If Harper is be said to be covering up for it, then a historical scandal becomes linked to the current government.

Also, as I said earlier, Schreiber wants to tell the truth as much as Mulroney does. The more the Schreiber circus continues, the more focus is on Schreiber dog and pony show rather than the actions of Mulroney.

We'll see if the inquiry happens if the Tories win a majority. I don't know if it would hurt them that much years after cancelling an investigation.

[Bryan]

We'll see if the inquiry happens if the Tories win a majority. I don't know if it would hurt them that much years after cancelling an investigation.

They haven't cancelled anything. The investigation is still ongoing. Deadline for submissions is September 24, hearings begin October 3.

[jdobbin]

They haven't cancelled anything. The investigation is still ongoing. Deadline for submissions is September 24, hearings begin October 3.

As I said, I don't think it would hurt them if they cancelled it and called it a waste of time.

[fellowtraveller]

It is not what he has said that makes me think he has evidence. It is what Mulroney said and did. I don't know what the real story is, I just know Brian is lying about it (just like he lied on his taxes about it).

I don't think Schreiber is telling the truth either. I am just saying he knows the truth.

It is this kind of 'critical thinking' that makes me despair for the education system in this country.

You don't know anything except that somebody is lying.

You know that Schreiber is telling the truth, despite his coy reluctance to provide anything of substance and his obvious moitivation for remaining vague.

Perhaps you could explain the basis for those two statements.

I noticed today in the newspaper that Justice Oliphant is convening the inquiry soon, large ads seeking intervenors.

[peter_puck]

It is this kind of 'critical thinking' that makes me despair for the education system in this country.

You don't know anything except that somebody is lying.

You know that Schreiber is telling the truth, despite his coy reluctance to provide anything of substance and his obvious moitivation for remaining vague.

Perhaps you could explain the basis for those two statements.

I noticed today in the newspaper that Justice Oliphant is convening the inquiry soon, large ads seeking intervenors.

First of all, I did not say Schreiber was telling the truth - I said he wasn't telling the truth, but that he knew the truth.

My first statement was "I know Mulroney is lying. The basis for that is

1. Mr Mulroney took $200-$300 thousands in envelopes in a foreign country from a known scuzzball.

2. Mr Mulroney lied under oath about his long term relationship with said scuzzball-a crime

3. Mr Mulroney lied on his taxes about the money he received - crime

4. Mr Mulroney went to CRA right away to correct his tax return once Mr Schreiber was arrested (Schreiber must have known he did not report it)

5. Mr Mulroney has claimed he was a lobbyist, but has been able to produce no records. The people claims to have lobbied are all dead.

6. His statement that he took the money from Schreiber because Schreiber told him thats how international deals are done is bizzare. Mr Mulroney is a sophisticaed international businessman.

7. Mr Mulroney is a very bright politician. Since he knows how this would appear and did it any way, the only thing you can conclude is that he had something to hide.

My second statement was that Mr Schreiber knew the truth but not telling the truth

He cleary knows the truth about deals he was a partner in. Like Mulroney, he felt the need to conduct these transactions in a very questionable manner. Like Mulroney his explanation of events is questionable. It is clear that his business is bribing politicians. From his days being banned from talking to Alberta cabinet ministers, to getting charged with bribing German politicians. Saying he paid Mulroney Airbus money would be stuipid (if thats what its about).

Here we clearly have an illegal act and two liars. Unless someone finds god, we will never know the true story, but I think the statement that they are both lying is reasonable.

[eyeball]

Whatever happened to KarlHeinz Screiber?

I'm reminded of that old joke...what did they find when they scraped all the gunk off Tammy Faye Baker's face? Jimmy Hoffa.

[Murray B.]

Whatever happened to the full inquiry promised?

Why isn't Karl in the German jail that should be his home?

As I recall when this thing started many years ago it was about $20 millions in bribes paid in Canada. About $300,000 has been accounted for which leaves $19,700,000 to go.

That is enough "grease" to smear many parties and I think Karl will never return to Germany while he is alive.