Name on government watch list

[Guest American Woman]

I just did....at least you had the courage to face the music...AW just slinked away, as usual.

Poor, poor bush_cheney. Telling your outright that your moronic response with your tiresome "whining" accusation ended the discussion meant I was done discussing this with you. Telling someone "I'm done" is hardly "slinking off."

But since I can see that you're not going to be able to let it go, I'll have to take the time to point out the obvious: there was no "music" for me to face.

Here's what you said:

And finally, the privacy impact statement for the TIVF program, complete with a copy of the form that AW and BM insist has never existed.

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/privacy...ia_tsa_otsr.pdf

Yet I had already posted that very link! Right here--> LINK So your claim that I "insist" that the form "has never existed" is pure stupidity on your part. Bubbermiley asked for a link, and in an attempt to be helpful, I provided it; but evidently it's invisible on both of your computers because on and on you both went, so I concluded that for him it wasn't really about his brother-- it was about slamming the U.S.-- while for you it wasn't about providing the information he had asked for-- it was about defending the U.S. no matter what. Tiresome. Which is why I chose to say no more about the TIVP since I evidently wasted my time posting the link in the first place.

[bush_cheney2004]

Poor, poor bush_cheney. Telling your outright that your moronic response with your tiresome "whining" accusation ended the discussion meant I was done discussing this with you. Telling someone "I'm done" is hardly "slinking off."

But since I can see that you're not going to be able to let it go, I'll have to take the time to point out the obvious: there was no "music" for me to face.

Why should I let it go....any opportunity to rub your nose in it is always welcomed! Even the ACLU admitted that some people have been able to get results using the process, challenging your claim to the contrary.

So your claim that I "insist" that the form "has never existed" is pure stupidity on your part. Bubbermiley asked for a link, and in an attempt to be helpful, I provided it; but evidently it's invisible on both of your computers because on and on you both went, so I concluded that for him it wasn't really about his brother-- it was about slamming the U.S.-- while for you it wasn't about providing the information he had asked for-- it was about defending the U.S. no matter what. Tiresome. Which is why I chose to say no more about the TIVP since I evidently wasted my time posting the link in the first place.

Who gives a damn about your conclusions....I am not here to grant BM's wishes (do his homework) or yours. So instead of accepting even your "link", you both decided to prattle on about "bush_cheney2004" being wrong about the existence of the form and process itself. The existence of the PIVF/TIVF was secondary to the basic discussion until you joined BM in making it a major issue....so I obliged your group stupidity.

I usually don't click on embedded links as a PC security matter. I choose to see all or part of the URL. If you don't like that....too bad.

Edited August 24, 2008 by bush_cheney2004

[Guest American Woman]

...you both decided to prattle on about "bush_cheney2004" being wrong about the existence of the form and process itself.

I did no such thing. Why in God's name would I say you were wrong about the existence of the form and the process itself when I provided the same link you did.

I usually don't click on embedded links as a PC security matter.

Good for you. That's your choice. But in that case, you shouldn't make assumptions about what other people have or haven't said so as to avoid making yourself look like a total idiot-- as you did in this thread, accusing me of things that not only had no basis, but I had already posted your link.

Are you getting it yet??

What you were wrong about is people 'not being permanent victims.' They are. Even those who have gone through this process, which you acknowledged. I made that perfectly clear, but it seems as if you'd rather take the thread off on this moronic path.

And just for the record, I didn't expect you to take the high road and admit that you were wrong about any of it. I expected you to "prattle on" about something that's not even true. I expected you to continue to accuse me of something that you fabricated.

[bush_cheney2004]

I did no such thing. Why in God's name would I say you were wrong about the existence of the form and the process itself when I provided the same link you did.

Then why didn't you just admit that, instead of taking the opportunity to "pile on" with the other member in a very childish way. Clearly the form and process existed as I originally stated, and some people have been able to get relief. I was not shown to be "wrong", despite your claims.

Good for you. That's your choice. But in that case, you shouldn't make assumptions about what other people have or haven't said so as to avoid making yourself look like a total idiot-- as you did in this thread, accusing me of things that not only had no basis, but I had already posted your link.

You claimed I was wrong.....I proved otherwise (ref: "I doubt whether anything one does is effective"). The ACLU even admits that the process can work for some people.

What you were wrong about is people 'not being permanent victims.' They are. Even those who have gone through this process, which you acknowledged. I made that perfectly clear, but it seems as if you'd rather take the thread off on this moronic path.

You most certainly did not.....and their status as "permanent victims" is only your opinion. You have zero insight into all travelers expectations and outcomes. As usual, you have assumed yourself into another pickle.

And just for the record, I didn't expect you to take the high road and admit that you were wrong about any of it. I expected you to "prattle on" about something that's not even true. I expected you to continue to accuse me of something that you fabricated.

Of course.....you are a "permanent victim" too.....LOL!

Edited August 24, 2008 by bush_cheney2004

[HisSelf]

I put up a post in another thread about a guy CNN covered who had been put on the no fly list because he had written an unflattering book about Karl Rove.

You gotta love Lou Dobbs. He looks more like Jon Stewart every day.

[GostHacked]

BC, just hover over the link and it will show up in your bar along the bottom of your browser. Not to mention it will show the whole link ... But, you knew that already.

[Guest American Woman]

BC, just hover over the link and it will show up in your bar along the bottom of your browser. Not to mention it will show the whole link ... But, you knew that already.

Thank you for pointing that out. It's obvious that some posters are more interested in playing games and antagonizing than engaging in honest discussions.

[bush_cheney2004]

It's obvious that some posters are more interested in playing games and antagonizing than engaging in honest discussions.

Yep...and you should certainly know about such behavior. Carry on......

[bush_cheney2004]

BC, just hover over the link and it will show up in your bar along the bottom of your browser. Not to mention it will show the whole link ... But, you knew that already.

No, I don't spend the time to do this...and won't. Besides, I didn't need a link to the site I had already visited , despite protests otherwise. So much for "imaginary" form.

[GostHacked]

No, I don't spend the time to do this...and won't. Besides, I didn't need a link to the site I had already visited , despite protests otherwise. So much for "imaginary" form.

I guess, those precious two seconds is more wisely spent on brow beating other posters. Or maybe you are using some really old or crappy browser that does not show you those links.

Hisself .. dude post your links. Most of your posts are 'I hear that ..' ,, but no links .. providing them would be good.

[bush_cheney2004]

I guess, those precious two seconds is more wisely spent on brow beating other posters. Or maybe you are using some really old or crappy browser that does not show you those links.

Right...I won't spend the time to make them or mouse-over them. I will brow beat the old fashioned way...apparently it is effective.

[guyser]

..apparently it is effective.

No doubt it is, no doubt.

Not in the way you think it does, but it is effective.

[bush_cheney2004]

No doubt it is, no doubt.

Not in the way you think it does, but it is effective.

No, it is effective in exactly the way I intend. Your response is evidence enough.

[Guest American Woman]

QUOTE=bush_cheney: ..apparently it is effective.

No doubt it is, no doubt.

Not in the way you think it does, but it is effective.

My thoughts exactly.

[guyser]

No, it is effective in exactly the way I "think" I intended.

Fixed it for you.

[GostHacked]

Right...I won't spend the time to make them or mouse-over them. I will brow beat the old fashioned way...apparently it is effective.

It is also disingenuous. It is also trolling. It also makes you look like an ass. It also makes you look arrogant. But if this is what you are going for, then by all means. But you are aware trolling is against forum rules, right?

Don't hate the player, hate the game. Unless the player does not know what game he is playing.

[bush_cheney2004]

It is also disingenuous. It is also trolling. It also makes you look like an ass. It also makes you look arrogant. But if this is what you are going for, then by all means. But you are aware trolling is against forum rules, right?

...and by all means, don't be stupid. If I were "trolling", the moderator would have jetisoned me long ago. Making sanctimonius people squirm in their own waste is not "trolling".....it is just plain "fun".

Don't hate the player, hate the game. Unless the player does not know what game he is playing.

No need to hate either, because it's all just a game to me. What, did you think posting on a web site forum would make the earth move? Now that's arrogance!

[bush_cheney2004]

Fixed it for you.

Of course.....the focus on "me" is much appreciated. Stay tuned for more riveting posts that you can't seem to ignore. I get paid by the groupie.