The Land Human Rights Forgot

[Sean Hayward]

You may be ashamed of your country for some inexplicable reason, but that is no reason to tell us that we're foolish to be proud of it. Being proud of a country is exactly the same as being proud of a child. Pride in what was, what is, and what will be. Pride in what we have done together. No one is saying that there aren't improvements to be made in Canada, but we have come a long way and we will go much further. When you hear about the great achievements in Canadian history, such as the building of the Canadian Pacific Railway or the Battle of Vimy Ridge, or about the vast potential of this great nation of ours, what do you feel? Indifference? Apathy? If it is foolish to be proud of Canadian history or the future of Canada, then I will be the first to admit that I am a fool. You are correct in saying that there are some things in our past that we should not be proud of, but I cannot, will not, ignore those things that we should be proud of.

[eyeball]

You are correct in saying that there are some things in our past that we should not be proud of, but I cannot, will not, ignore those things that we should be proud of.

Good.

[Sean Hayward]

And yet that is obviously not your position. Am I being foolish to be proud of such things?

[eyeball]

And yet that is obviously not your position. Am I being foolish to be proud of such things?

Not if you're a Canadian Pacific Railway buff or engineer I suppose.

I felt like using this signature in response to the pressure to feel and demonstrate some national patriotism, mostly in the face of fears and intolerance over muti-culturalism, immigration and other non-pink people. I also think our attachment to things is essentially meaningless and a source of a lot of unnecessary angst.

I think a lot of the soldiers that died at Vimy Ridge would be giving their heads a shake if they could see what the world looked like today. The country even seems to be comfortable again with the natural regionalism and divisions that characterized Canada a 100 years ago - whatever nationalistic symbolism of unity Vimy Ridge might have inspired in people decades ago, it has little relevance in people's day to day lives now. If you're a military buff, I can see how the technical challenges and tactical accomplishments of Canadian soldiers might cause a feeling of admiration but I think using Vimy as a rallying point for militaristic national pride would be a foolish thing to do. I thought that's what the Canadians who died there were trying to fight.

Edited April 25, 2008 by eyeball

[AngusThermopyle]

True, but I do expect people to learn from these mistakes, and not just from time to time or when it suits them.

It must be nice to be perfect.

[Sean Hayward]

Not if you're a Canadian Pacific Railway buff or engineer I suppose.

I felt like using this signature in response to the pressure to feel and demonstrate some national patriotism, mostly in the face of fears and intolerance over muti-culturalism, immigration and other non-pink people. I also think our attachment to things is essentially meaningless and a source of a lot of unnecessary angst.

I think a lot of the soldiers that died at Vimy Ridge would be giving their heads a shake if they could see what the world looked like today. The country even seems to be comfortable again with the natural regionalism and divisions that characterized Canada a 100 years ago - whatever nationalistic symbolism of unity Vimy Ridge might have inspired in people decades ago, it has little relevance in people's day to day lives now. If you're a military buff, I can see how the technical challenges and tactical accomplishments of Canadian soldiers might cause a feeling of admiration but I think using Vimy as a rallying point for militaristic national pride would be a foolish thing to do. I thought that's what the Canadians who died there were trying to fight.

I am not a railway buff or an engineer, but I am a Canadian. Multiculturalism, immigration, diversity. These are some of the things that make Canada what it is. These are some of the things that make me proud of Canada. This regionalism and division in Canada exists primarily because of people like you, who are apparently unable to see the big picture and who see their country as a meaningless "thing", unworthy of their loyalty.

[eyeball]

I'd have to agree my sense of loyalty to the country as a whole has been eroded but that stems from the lack of principles and integrity the country has demonstrated in its governance of my region. I'm very loyal to my region and community but I doubt if that means much to anyone outside these.

[Pliny]

I'd have to agree my sense of loyalty to the country as a whole has been eroded but that stems from the lack of principles and integrity the country has demonstrated in its governance of my region. I'm very loyal to my region and community but I doubt if that means much to anyone outside these.

Is your region and community that of your birth? If so...You sound proud of it, but since you didn't choose it there is no reason to be proud of it. A region or community is just a thing isn't it?

I get the idea you feel disenfranchised from Canada.

There are many things I do not like about Canadian politics and governance, it is a little too socialist for my liking. The people are friendly. The living standard quite high. I can think of other places I'd like to to live but Canada is a pleasant enough place to live. I would not be ashamed of saying I was Canadian.

A nation has to be defined in terms of its people, sometimes it is defined in terms of its government and that's a pity because governments are not about elegance and reason they are about brute force. Canadian's often make the mistake of defining a nation by it's government and how benevolent and benign it appears. I can assure you they are never about benevolence nor benignity. As long as you are friendly you will find most people of a nation friendly if politics and governments are left as unimportant or not considered at all.

Because socialists think of government in terms of looking after them they will always be disappointed, as individuals, in government. It will always fall short of their expectations.

[Rue]

True, but I do expect people to learn from these mistakes, and not just from time to time or when it suits them.

You sound like my wife when I forget to take out the garbage or break something or make a mess. Oy I have been married too long. Actually if political history shows us anything it is that humans do not do a good job of learning from past mistakes. I really can't think of any country that can claim it has no skeletons in its closet. Now mind you some have bigger skeletons don't get me wrong but I guess my point is the one Angus T was making-if you are looking for perfection, not sure any country if its being honest can get too full of itself.

I think in the specific case of Canada, this current exercise of trying to villify aboriginals is laughable. If the intent is to suggest aboriginals are bad bad people all I do is look at the people criticizing their form of government as corupt and ask, gee look at these accusers-such righteous darlings. None of them have done a dishonest thing in their life. None of them are fuck ups. In their society, there is no coruption and they are not part of it. Oh the garbage, the pollution, the fake insurance claims, the bullshit business transactions, nah they are all angels. Everyone of them tells the truth on their income tax returns. Lol. Reminds me of the expression-nothing funnier then someone who claims to be religious telling another they are going to hell.

Had no idea how many Jimmy Swaggarts were on this forum.

Edited April 28, 2008 by Rue

[JB Globe]

I love how the problems seem to be "all their fault" - if you're conservative, it's the fault of natives, if you're left-wing, it's the fault of the government.

You people are so blinded by your respective political ideologies that you're filtering out the facts that illustrate clearly that there's enough blame to go around for everyone.

And in such a case where everyone has dirt on their hands the best course of action to remedy the problem isn't pointing fingers, it's looking in the mirror and seeing what we can all do to help solve the crisis on many reserves in Canada.

[Borg]

Just like jerry fartin, drea, and angus, borg is going to turn out to be a miserable old fart with no hair worrying all his life about indians there should be a new ideology and call it "miserable-baldheaded-old-fartism!" Borgs spouse should check their insuance policy--hey scott peterson.... who knows what this phony whiner named borg is all about

No response to my comments - just an attack

Makes you pretty low.

As to what I am about - in this case it is simply telling the truth

Something most want to ignore

Not a whiner and not a phony - just someone telling it like it is.

Perhaps you need to look in a mirror?

Is this name calling reportable? Or should I just tell you to F^%K off and die - probably not - because that could be considered an attack - and I certainly would not want someone to think I would do that to you.

Hope you have a nice day and that your family is well in your part of the country.

Borg

[AngusThermopyle]

No response to my comments - just an attack

Yeah well don't hold your breath waiting for one. With all the pressing issues facing not just Natives, but society as a whole DM has consistently proven that they have absolutely nothing of value to say. Ironically CR supports this vacuous display, I find that quite telling.

[Oleg Bach]

Yeah well don't hold your breath waiting for one. With all the pressing issues facing not just Natives, but society as a whole DM has consistently proven that they have absolutely nothing of value to say. Ironically CR supports this vacuous display, I find that quite telling.

There are no Human Rights in Canada That whole idea is a farce. Dogs have more Human Rights at present than humans. To have human rights you must have justice that is 100% solid and unwavering. Justice is Human Rights..show me justice in the crimminal judial system...show me justice in the family law courts...show me justice in the litigative courts and the court of appeal...show me justice in the halls of the Supreme Court Of Canada? Personally I have traveled the whole route top to bottom and read every last document...All I saw was weakness - corruption and members of the bar and social agencies that generated complex lie after lie after lie..and when finally catching the liars red handed..they ignored justice - and lied one more time..so to ignore justice is to spit in the face of true human rights...The province of Ontario is just a huge private estate run by a few. If the province is run like a farm and we are animals - then pray tell - how can an animal have human rights..? But I have noticed- that dogs...are given more care than humans and have achieved human rights..the more human rights a dog has the less a human has and that is what our handlers want.

[Borg]

Yeah well don't hold your breath waiting for one. With all the pressing issues facing not just Natives, but society as a whole DM has consistently proven that they have absolutely nothing of value to say. Ironically CR supports this vacuous display, I find that quite telling.

AT - I do not always agree with you, but in this case I must.

Had to chuckle at a PM from DM / CR / whomever - not very nice - but telling in its manner. I think I will hang on to it - unlikely - to remind me of the type of person s/he is.

Unfortunately when one tells the truth, many do not like to hear it.

You have a good one - I am out of this thread.

Stay well

Borg

[DangerMouse]

There are no Human Rights in Canada That whole idea is a farce. Dogs have more Human Rights at present than humans. To have human rights you must have justice that is 100% solid and unwavering. Justice is Human Rights..show me justice in the crimminal judial system...show me justice in the family law courts...show me justice in the litigative courts and the court of appeal...show me justice in the halls of the Supreme Court Of Canada? Personally I have traveled the whole route top to bottom and read every last document...All I saw was weakness - corruption and members of the bar and social agencies that generated complex lie after lie after lie..and when finally catching the liars red handed..they ignored justice - and lied one more time..so to ignore justice is to spit in the face of true human rights...The province of Ontario is just a huge private estate run by a few. If the province is run like a farm and we are animals - then pray tell - how can an animal have human rights..? But I have noticed- that dogs...are given more care than humans and have achieved human rights..the more human rights a dog has the less a human has and that is what our handlers want.

At least you admit your a bunch of dogs!