jdobbin Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 The burden of proof is on the accuser, the whole innocent until proven guilty thing.Time to stop the wildly emotional accustions. The accuser is a Conservative candidate. Quote
capricorn Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 And then we have Cadman later say on radio just before he died that there was a financial offer. Do you have a cite for that? We have his wife say there was an insurance policy. We have high daughter say so as well. We have the son-in-law say there was a financial offer. Then we have a wife that says she believes Harper that he knew nothing of a potential offer to her husband and she trusts him. We then have a transcript of Harper in regards to the issue. Yes, an incomplete tape. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Alta4ever Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 The accuser is a Conservative candidate. Correction the accusers are liberals. I have not heard Donna accuse Stephen Harper of bribery; I have not seen anything from her in print accusing Steven Harper either. Those are your additions and the liberals additions. Even the author never printed an accusation. Look at the words in the transcripts, and remove your emotional conjecture. Liberals want so desperately to believe this that they are will to make slanderous statements that will have them paying out huge dollars in a civil court. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
jdobbin Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 Do you have a cite for that? Yes, I do. http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2008/02...4884870-cp.html The voice of a cancer-stricken MP who died months after a historic confidence vote came back to haunt the Conservatives on Friday after a three-year-old radio interview surfaced in which Chuck Cadman says party officials made him financial overtures.In a June 12, 2005, interview on Vancouver radio station CKNW, Cadman said the Tories did, in fact, make him financial offers days before the crucial vote. It isn't like this hasn't been shown here before. But then we can go back to the Cadman argument that the man was delusional, right? Then we have a wife that says she believes Harper that he knew nothing of a potential offer to her husband and she trusts him. But stands by her statement that someone in the Tory party made the offer. Yes, an incomplete tape. That Harper won't let anyone investigate because he has Art Hanger running from the committee room in fear. Quote
jdobbin Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 Correction the accusers are liberals. I have not heard Donna accuse Stephen Harper of bribery; I have not seen anything from her in print accusing Steven Harper either. She accused Conservatives of making an offer. The Tories are not denying that one was made but will give no details about who and what was offered. Those are your additions and the liberals additions. Even the author never printed an accusation.Look at the words in the transcripts, and remove your emotional conjecture. Liberals want so desperately to believe this that they are will to make slanderous statements that will have them paying out huge dollars in a civil court. And Harper is afraid to have the issue investigated that he has his people run away from meetings. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 She accused Conservatives of making an offer. The Tories are not denying that one was made but will give no details about who and what was offered.And Harper is afraid to have the issue investigated that he has his people run away from meetings. Post Donna's acusation of Harper. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
gc1765 Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 Scott Brison again crosses the floor to a cabinet post, no inquiry. I don't think he was given a cabinet post. He did get a parliamentary secretary job. At least with Brison the decision to cross the floor was based on principles and not rewards. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Alta4ever Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 I don't think he was given a cabinet post. He did get a parliamentary secretary job. At least with Brison the decision to cross the floor was based on principles and not rewards. There was a post waiting, no inquiry. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
gc1765 Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 I have not heard Donna accuse Stephen Harper of bribery; I have not seen anything from her in print accusing Steven Harper either. Widow says dying MP was offered a 'bribe' "JD: Would you consider it a bribe, madam? DC: Um, yes, in a way." "He was quite mad about it, thinking they could bribe him with that" Maybe the Conservatives should sue their own candidate?? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
jdobbin Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 Post Donna's acusation of Harper. I never said she made an accusation against Harper. I said she made an accusation against the Conservatives. Quote
gc1765 Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 There was a post waiting, no inquiry. Huh? If I remember correctly he was given the cabinet post after the next election. What's wrong with that?? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Alta4ever Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 I never said she made an accusation against Harper. I said she made an accusation against the Conservatives. So I guess Harper is right in suing for slander against Liberals who made slanderous accusations? What she stated was not accusation. It was a statement of her understanding of what her husband said on his death bed. She can neither confirm nor deny what was discussed in this alleged conversation, as she was not a party to it. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Alta4ever Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 I don't think he was given a cabinet post. He did get a parliamentary secretary job. At least with Brison the decision to cross the floor was based on principles and not rewards. In your own words, this would be a post in a liberal government? Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Alta4ever Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 Widow says dying MP was offered a 'bribe' "JD: Would you consider it a bribe, madam? DC: Um, yes, in a way." "He was quite mad about it, thinking they could bribe him with that" Maybe the Conservatives should sue their own candidate?? I do not see Steven Harper's name in that statement, do you? Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
jdobbin Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 So I guess Harper is right in suing for slander against Liberals who made slanderous accusations?What she stated was not accusation. It was a statement of her understanding of what her husband said on his death bed. She can neither confirm nor deny what was discussed in this alleged conversation, as she was not a party to it. She accused the Conservatives of making a bribe. The Conservatives refuse to investigate that claim. Harper was aware financial incentives according to what he has said this past week. He won't detail what they were. Quote
Cameron Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 This whole thing doesn't add up. Dona Cadman now running for the party she says bribed her late Husband....doesn't add up. If someone came up to me and offered me money, a bribe let's say, I wouldn't want to be affiliated with that person or organization. Also, if he was mad about it, why didn't he come out and say that the CPC bribed him.... Quote Economic Left/Right: 3.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26 I want to earn money and keep the majority of it.
jdobbin Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 This whole thing doesn't add up. Dona Cadman now running for the party she says bribed her late Husband....doesn't add up. If someone came up to me and offered me money, a bribe let's say, I wouldn't want to be affiliated with that person or organization. Also, if he was mad about it, why didn't he come out and say that the CPC bribed him.... It is worth investigating, don't you think? Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 She accused the Conservatives of making a bribe. The Conservatives refuse to investigate that claim. Harper was aware financial incentives according to what he has said this past week. He won't detail what they were. Well I guess we will see what the judicial system will have to say. But again right there in your own words she accused the conservatives, the not the Prime Minister. It was the liberals who brought the Prime Minister into it, they posted the accusation on their website. It may have been statements made by Donna Cadman that brought all of this about, but it was the liberals who escalated it. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
jdobbin Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 (edited) Well I guess we will see what the judicial system will have to say.But again right there in your own words she accused the conservatives, the not the Prime Minister. It was the liberals who brought the Prime Minister into it, they posted the accusation on their website. It may have been statements made by Donna Cadman that brought all of this about, but it was the liberals who escalated it. The recording indicated Harper knew of financial incentives being offered. he says they were for an election but Dona Cadman has not confirmed that. She says it was an insurance offer. The Tories don't believe it is even worth looking in to. The last time libel was tossed around, it was the Tories who had to back down because they actually did pay someone an incentive after adamantly denying it. Edited March 14, 2008 by jdobbin Quote
jazzer Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 (edited) Well I guess we will see what the judicial system will have to say.But again right there in your own words she accused the conservatives, the not the Prime Minister. It was the liberals who brought the Prime Minister into it, they posted the accusation on their website. It may have been statements made by Donna Cadman that brought all of this about, but it was the liberals who escalated it. Fine. Then have Harper very simply explain why he offered financial considerations to a dying man's campaign. Edited March 14, 2008 by jazzer Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 It is worth investigating, don't you think? Not really, there is no way of learning what really happened. The only person both sides would trust to answer the questions believably is Chuck Cadman, and we can't. I would like the answer just as much as you, but it is because I believe it would exonerate Steven Harper. It is not worth wasting the funds, the damage that the opposition wanted to make is done, because now there is doubt, whether or not PMSH wins his suit. The only thing left in the fight is to drag Chuck Cadman’s legacy through the mud. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
jdobbin Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 Not really, there is no way of learning what really happened. The only person both sides would trust to answer the questions believably is Chuck Cadman, and we can't. Not true. We can also hear from the people who made the offer. I'd like to hear them under oath. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 Fine. Then have Harper very simply explain why he offered financial considerations to a dying man's campaign. Have you been following any of this? PMSH never made an offer, it is alleged that two members of the conservative party did. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
jdobbin Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 Have you been following any of this?PMSH never made an offer, it is alleged that two members of the conservative party did. Harper has said this week, he was aware of what those offers were. I'd like to hear what they were in detail. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 (edited) Not true. We can also hear from the people who made the offer. I'd like to hear them under oath. And if they contradicted what Donna Cadman said, you would call them liars, but you would not be able to prove it would you? Really the world would never know if what they said was true or not. It would be a colossal waste of time. We need to the government to function, and if the opposition doesn't like how the country is being governed they should vote against it. Defeat the conservatives in an election a form government. Edited March 14, 2008 by Alta4ever Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
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