Is Multiculturalism a Threat to Public Safety?

[MMT]

Take a look at article by a Canadian author on a Russian website - http://www.vdesyatku.biz/eng/index.php?opt...22&Itemid=1

Tim Murray. Is Multiculturalism a Threat to Public Safety?

Author is criticizing Canadian-born multiculturalism ideology, supplies many facts about ethric crime worldwide and seeking for a solution. Few quotes:

About potically correct vocabulary:

'Our era abounds with so many sweet sounding buzzwords that have become the vocabulary of deception and manipulation. They are the lexicographical weapons of political correctness. Words like “inclusive”, “diverse”, “non-judgmental”, “tolerant”, “holistic”, and “sustainable”. Words that are thought to have a self-evidently positive connotation, but are often objectively neutral. Thus the tolerant are tolerant of diverse cultures but intolerant of diverse opinions. And the non-judgmental would in all probability raise no objection to my sexual union with a horse but riot if I were to light up a cigarette in a restaurant. Meanwhile, everything now is “sustainable”, including growth. Sustainable growth. Virgin birth!'

The ethnic crime doesn't exist?

' The multicultural industry would respond that populist anxiety and moral panic over immigrant crime is ill-founded, notwithstanding the evidence presented so far. There is nothing about people’s ethnicity which pre-disposes them to criminal activity. As a 1998 study of juvenile crime by the NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics stated that “even if certain ethnic or cultural groups were to be found to have higher rates of involvement in crime it would not follow that ethnicity or cultural background has a causal influence on crime. The high rates may be more attributable to other risk factors such as social disadvantage, poor parental supervision, poor school achievement and drug use, which may be correlated with ethnicity or cultural background.” According to this logic then, being a bird does not have a causal influence on flying. High rates of flying in birds are attributable to other factors, such as having wings, feathers, light bones, and the example of parents who fly.'

About close family ties inside ethnic communities -

'A culture of “family first” tends to lead to sub-optimal social conditions because civic mindedness cannot flourish in an environment where people will only further the community interest if it is in their private advantage to do so. This may be the rational calculation in Sicily or Indo-China or the third world, but not in Sydney or Vancouver, where there is a virtual dearth of police corruption, and amoral familialism simply encourages crime and corruption by drawing the individual away from civic duty. As Dr. Richard Basham of the University of Sydney wrote of such immigrant cultures, “…the primary moral imperative is to look after your own family…Cooperating with the police and other government officials against one’s ethnic fellows is a risky tack. In doing so, an individual risks having acts of vengeance directed at himself and members of his family…in Asian communities threats to exact vengeance against family members are commonly made and seriously entertained.”'

About a Canadian solution -

'The Canadian solution is classic. Shut the discussion down. Pass laws that prohibit the vilification of any identifiable group, and don’t collect and publish data in any comprehensive way that locates crime by ethnic origin or place of birth. In other words, if the country has a fever, throw away the thermometer. Not an approach conducive to solving problems. As Orwell explained in 1984, if a verbal category is denied expression, the idea cannot be conceived of. The thought crime that multiculturalism is a threat to public safety cannot be committed if there are no ethnic crime statistics collected to verify what we perceive to be true. Media reports can be dismissed as sensationalist yellow journalism that “racialize’crime rather than rationally explain it with more comfortable PC discussions about economic hardship and young male alienation.

But surely immigrant youth alienation is a function of the sheer scale and pace of mass immigration in recent decades, a gigantic wrecking ball swung suddenly to shatter the ethnic homogeneity of Anglo-America, Northern Europe, Canada and Australia. These nations have not been able to assimilate newcomers into a cohesive framework of shared moral values, in part because the apostles of multiculturalism have convinced government that assimilation is a violation of immigrant rights and an assertion of arrogant ethnocentrism.

As a result, we are a society adrift, without a moral compass, and it is in this vacuum that the immigrant criminal element flourishes unchecked. We are suffering from ethnic indigestion. We need to close our borders and we need to heal our wounds. We need to remove the constraints on free speech, both legislative and social, so that a full inventory of our problems can be made. No sacred cows. Then we need to develop a Population Plan. We need to determine what is an OPTIMUM population level for the country and fit Immigration and Refugee policy within that Plan. Only then can the gates be opened again, ever so cautiously, to those, irrespective of race, who will accept our core values of civic responsibility.

One Australian multicultural advocate argued that talking about crime in ethnic terms was to be opposed because it “legitimizes immigration restrictions.”

Damn right it does. Public safety trumps social engineering.'

Your opinions are welcome.

Edited February 22, 2009 by MMT

[Borg]

Quote - One Australian multicultural advocate argued that talking about crime in ethnic terms was to be opposed because it “legitimizes immigration restrictions.”

Damn right it does. Public safety trumps social engineering - end quote

How dare you sir / madam! How dare you!

Posting something like this simply shows you are a person who thinks and does not run with the canukleheaded crowd. Time for your classes in liberalization - move along - move along.

Shameful.

Borg

Edited February 27, 2008 by Borg

[daniel]

Actually, oppression is a bigger threat.

[JB Globe]

I wonder how the author feels about the fact that his opinions are shared by ANY political party. Just about a month ago Harper even went out and said that the state of multiculturalism in Canada is overall very good, and the fears that an extreme minority of Anglos Quebecois have that the sky is falling - are pretty much an overreaction to relatively minor problems.

[jbg]

The surrender by any Western society of its identy and of that which makes it a destination in the first place is a bad idea. Immigrants should fuse into the country to which they move. There must be some reason that these people wanted to come to Canada (or the US) in the first place. I don't mind immigrants keeping some aspects of their native culture; in fact I relish it and would be a hypocrit if I didn't. I wolf down latkes at Pesach and Chanukah with the best of them.

I have a real problem with people who come to a country, and aren't more passionate about the country than the people born there. Canada and the US are great lands that have given chances to scores that would either be dead or living under restricted, ignorant or impoverished conditions. I cannot forgive people who receive second chances and don't take them, especially since my field of law exists to give people second chances.

[mcqueen625]

The reality is the the U.S. has been smart enough not to buy into the notion of multiculturalism as has Canada, much to the downfall of Canadian society. Instead of immigrants being expected to come here and become part of Canadian society, our traditions and customs, instead has been somehow changed to the multiculturalism promoters we are somehow supposed to adapt to foreign cultures. This has made Canada into a country with no culture at all. The U.S. still promotes themselves as a melting-pot and if immigrants want to come to America, it is they who must adapt to the American culture, not the other way around, and I say good for them.

Even France has rethought their initial decision to buy into multiculturalism because it threatens their own culture. Muslims coming to France and other countries stupid enough to accept this utopian theme of multiculturalism are now finding the the immigrants expect these countries to change our laws and traditions to reflect the cultures they left.

If they want to keep their religion, no problem, but they should not expect that Canadians should change our laws and traditions to accommodate the immigrant's beliefs.

[jbg]

The reality is the the U.S. has been smart enough not to buy into the notion of multiculturalism as has Canada, much to the downfall of Canadian society. Instead of immigrants being expected to come here and become part of Canadian society, our traditions and customs, instead has been somehow changed to the multiculturalism promoters we are somehow supposed to adapt to foreign cultures. This has made Canada into a country with no culture at all. The U.S. still promotes themselves as a melting-pot and if immigrants want to come to America, it is they who must adapt to the American culture, not the other way around, and I say good for them.

I'm not sure it was a conscious decision on the US's part so much as it reflects the lack of a welfare state.

I recently read some materials in one of my Jewish publications about the privations of Holocaust survivors who arrived penniless and lived in fear that if they went on welfare they'd face deportation either to Communist countries or other countries of origin, such as West Germany or the Netherlands, that no longer welcomed them. The lack of welfare forced a high-speed assimilation. Some of the stories detailed Jews who had to give up Sabbath observance on Friday evenings, at least during the winter. This was heartrending for many, but of course forced commitment to American life.

I am Jewish. I personally may have favored greater "tolerance" of such things as Friday evening Shabbat observance, but I understand that assimilation/integration is a better thing overall. As I said to another Jewish lawyer, America welcomed us; it's our job to welcome America. Canada should expect no less.

[JB Globe]

The reality is the the U.S. has been smart enough not to buy into the notion of multiculturalism as has Canada, much to the downfall of Canadian society.

"Downfall of Canadian society" - What are you talking about here?

Instead of immigrants being expected to come here and become part of Canadian society, our traditions and customs,

What traditions and customs are these? How aren't immigrants IN GENERAL integrating as we speak?

[AngusThermopyle]

What traditions and customs are these?

Off the top of my head I would say Halloween is one. They don't practice that one in Europe. England has Guye Fawkes night instead, not at all similar. Are you one of these Canadians who don't even know their own culture well enough to recognize it?

[jester]

Off the top of my head I would say Halloween is one. They don't practice that one in Europe. England has Guye Fawkes night instead, not at all similar. Are you one of these Canadians who don't even know their own culture well enough to recognize it?

The UK does have "all hallows eve" ....

http://www.history.com/minisites/halloween...Page?pageId=713

History of Halloween - Ancient Origins

and Guy Fawkes was a religious zealot......

http://www.bonefire.org/guy/index.php

Guy Fawkes and Bonfire Night

Does going for a Timmy count as modern culture?

[AngusThermopyle]

The UK does have "all hallows eve" ....

All Hallows Eve, So. no one celebrates it, no one dresses up, no one goes around collecting candy, no one carves pumpkins. How would I know this?

Maybe because thats where I'm from. I still remember how confused I was my first year here. All the kids were talking about Halloween and the costumes they would wear, I didn't have a clue what they were talking about. Still, you did provide a link so I must be wrong, everyone must have been doing it and I just kinda "missed" it.

As for what Fawkes was, so? We certainly did celebrate him, bonfires were built and he was burnt in efigy across the country. It could actually be a bad night as younger people would use it as an excuse and light fires all over the place.

So could you enlighten me as to how something that isn't practiced or even known about can be part of the culture?

[Rue]

"Downfall of Canadian society" - What are you talking about here?

What traditions and customs are these? How aren't immigrants IN GENERAL integrating as we speak?

Bingo JB. I promise you the same people who claim Canada has a culture and traditions we should all buy into will not define them clearly. The same people that rant about us not conforming to a collective set of values have no clue what it is they want to conform to. Sometimes it will be stated as personal subjective values of the writer that reflect simply his own other times it will refer to some meaningless tradition-but the point is Canadian identity is an ever-evolving one and all of us old or new, evolve as the world changes.

Of course some of us are frightened of change and things that appear different then what we grew up with so there is a tendency to curl up and resist change and try resist it.

Lol. I promise you, you will not get anything but fragmented subjective feelings in response to the above based on the perception of the person responding.

The more threatened they feel, the more likely they will share their own identity as the one they want you to conform to.

One thing about us humans is, we are predictable apes. We are no different then baboons or chimpanzees or guerillas in how we establish customs in our packs.

Its all based on some chattering alpha male with the most inflammed butt whether its a baboon or human.

[Rue]

The UK does have "all hallows eve" ....

Does going for a Timmy count as modern culture?

Tim Horton's would have to count as a cultural icon and Canadian tradition Jester. I mean that and enjoying curling, CFL football, Jr. A hockey, drinking rye and not scotch, and thinking moose are cute and a beaver may be hairy but is in fact a rodent.

[Melanie_]

Maybe because thats where I'm from. I still remember how confused I was my first year here. All the kids were talking about Halloween and the costumes they would wear, I didn't have a clue what they were talking about. Still, you did provide a link so I must be wrong, everyone must have been doing it and I just kinda "missed" it.

Your post made me think of a great children's book by Robert Munsch (perhaps we could agree he is a Canadian cultural icon?). Its called From Far Away, and it tells a story about a refugee child coming to Canada and her first experience with Halloween. By her second Halloween she is quite eager to go trick or treating!

[eyeball]

Public safety trumps social engineering.'

That's not the case with conservative projects like the War on Drugs - the costliest most futile attempt to engineer a utopian society the planet has ever seen.

[jbg]

That's not the case with conservative projects like the War on Drugs - the costliest most futile attempt to engineer a utopian society the planet has ever seen.

And how do you feel about the regulation of drugs sold by the pharmaceutical industry such as Thalidomide?

[WestViking]

That's not the case with conservative projects like the War on Drugs - the costliest most futile attempt to engineer a utopian society the planet has ever seen.

Useless slogans!

[M.Dancer]

That's not the case with conservative projects like the War on Drugs - the costliest most futile attempt to engineer a utopian society the planet has ever seen.

I would have thought that honour would have went to the socialist/marxist state experiment.