Russell by-law spat sparks bilingual study

[PoliticalCitizen]

Hey guys, while you're arguing about a French / English bilingualism, let me ask you this:

Do I as a regular Canadian have the right to see commercial signs in ANY state language? Because when I commute through Markham all I see is Mandarin. Sometimes - if I'm lucky - small print in English.

I think it's time to open free MSL classes (Mandarin as second language) for the rest of us...

Oh, did I mention that the default language for ABMs is also Mandarin? For English press "2"...

[guyser]

Hey guys, while you're arguing about a French / English bilingualism, let me ask you this:

Do I as a regular Canadian have the right to see commercial signs in ANY state language? Because when I commute through Markham all I see is Mandarin. Sometimes - if I'm lucky - small print in English.

I think it's time to open free MSL classes (Mandarin as second language) for the rest of us...

Oh, did I mention that the default language for ABMs is also Mandarin? For English press "2"...

Simply catering to the clientele. Smart move.

Go into a Russian neighbourhood.........hmm Russian is spoken.

Yes the ATM I use has Mandarin. Big deal. They have money and lots of it.

[CANADIEN]

Hey guys, while you're arguing about a French / English bilingualism, let me ask you this:

Do I as a regular Canadian have the right to see commercial signs in ANY state language? Because when I commute through Markham all I see is Mandarin. Sometimes - if I'm lucky - small print in English.

I think it's time to open free MSL classes (Mandarin as second language) for the rest of us...

Oh, did I mention that the default language for ABMs is also Mandarin? For English press "2"...

As ffar as I am concerned, it is entirely justifiable in Canada to have provincial laws or municipal by-laws that state that English/French must appear on commercial signs (amd big enough to be read of course). I don't care one bit about what other languages are on there after that.

[Leafless]

...AND THE REPLY...

Should be in the famous quotes section . Do we have a comedy section?

The comedy section includes this entire forum along with the dysfuctional government that runs this foreign enclave called Canada.

[Leafless]

You mean it perfectly describes how profoundly clueless you are.

You finally recognize it... and you contradict yourself a few lines later. As usual...

Nope.

French policies exist in France, not in Canada. There are no corrupt language policies in Ontario, so could I see anything wrong with something that does not exist?

They are entitled to their opinion. And they are wrong. Of course, if they had taken the opposite position, you'd be denoucing them as traitors, corrupt and whatever your bigoted mind would come with.

You just use hateful, uniformed and false arguments that fan the fire.

Very easy. It's because of people like you.

You, you ,you you you you and you.

So this is how you and your totally corrupt Canada relates to ME.

[CANADIEN]

The comedy section includes this entire forum along with the dysfuctional government that runs this foreign enclave called Canada.

You know of course that Canada is a foreign enclave or country only to non-Canadians. :lol:

[CANADIEN]

You, you ,you you you you and you.

So this is how you and your totally corrupt Canada relates to ME.

I thought Canada was yours, not mine. Not it is mine, and not yours? :lol:

[Leafless]

You know of course that Canada is a foreign enclave or country only to non-Canadians. :lol:

Or country nothing.

Canada is a foreign cultural enclave ever since Quebec's Pierre Trudeau hijacked it as such buy ammending Canada's British Constitution.

Majority White English speaking Canadians never had a voice detirmining their own constitution in what WAS their country.

[CANADIEN]

Or country nothing.

Canada is a foreign cultural enclave ever since Quebec's Pierre Trudeau hijacked it as such buy ammending Canada's British Constitution.

Majority White English speaking Canadians never had a voice detirmining their own constitution in what WAS their country.

I forgot. Votes by the duly elected representatives of the people were not good enough, since they didn't reflect your prejudice.

Don't worry, English-speaking Canadians who have a clue know what their country is, and they it's called Canada.

[Leafless]

I forgot. Votes by the duly elected representatives of the people were not good enough, since they didn't reflect your prejudice.

And implementing their own prejudices into law is suppose to mean something?

Don't worry, English-speaking Canadians who have a clue know what their country is, and they it's called Canada.

And they are the good English speaking Canadians of Russell, The Ottawa Citizen and millions of other Canadians who know what freedom of choice SHOULD mean in this country.

Edited September 13, 2008 by Leafless

[CANADIEN]

And implementing their own prejudices into law is suppose to mean something?

And they are the good English speaking Canadians of Russell, The Ottawa Citizen and millions of other Canadians who know what freedom of choice SHOULD mean in this country.

Oh so now it's back to freedom of choice... A concept you claim you defend but would deny to people who choose not to use English on commercial signs. By the way, you know of course that the Russell by-law mandate the use of French and ENGLISH. Knowing that, I am sure that you will support the first business owner to openly defy the new by-law... he has placed an unilingual French sign.

[Leafless]

Oh so now it's back to freedom of choice... A concept you claim you defend but would deny to people who choose not to use English on commercial signs.

I have always been a supporter of freedom of choice, a right all Canadians must enjoy.

But in saying this the de-facto commercial English language of Canada must not be abused by groups to alter the importance of the English language to where it could cause linguistic confusion for users of the majority de-facto English language.

This has happened in Quebec resulting with English speaking Canadians being discriminated against with French language laws.

This is why English speaking majority provinces must implement an official English only policy to protect users of the English language against larger clusters clusters of foreign immigrants commercially utilizing a foreign language that directly cause mayhem to users of the de-facto commercial English language of Canada.

It is also evident Quebec style language laws currently being used outside of Quebec cause not only prevent freedom of choice but is the root cause of English speaking job loss by French language policies utilized by a French minority that represents less than 4% of the population of Ontario.

By the way, you know of course that the Russell by-law mandate the use of French and ENGLISH. Knowing that, I am sure that you will support the first business owner to openly defy the new by-law... he has placed an unilingual French sign.

I wish him or her prosperity in whatever buisness that might be.

That is what Ontario is about....FREE CHOICE.

[CANADIEN]

I have always been a supporter of freedom of choice, a right all Canadians must enjoy.

But in saying this the de-facto commercial English language of Canada must not be abused by groups to alter the importance of the English language to where it could cause linguistic confusion for users of the majority de-facto English language.

This has happened in Quebec resulting with English speaking Canadians being discriminated against with French language laws.

This is why English speaking majority provinces must implement an official English only policy to protect users of the English language against larger clusters clusters of foreign immigrants commercially utilizing a foreign language that directly cause mayhem to users of the de-facto commercial English language of Canada.

It is also evident Quebec style language laws currently being used outside of Quebec cause not only prevent freedom of choice but is the root cause of English speaking job loss by French language policies utilized by a French minority that represents less than 4% of the population of Ontario.

I wish him or her prosperity in whatever buisness that might be.

That is what Ontario is about....FREE CHOICE.

Thanks for remind me once again that I am an immigrant to Canada, even though I am a 15th-generation Canadian.

As for the "I am all for freedom bit", to fall for it I'd have to forget all of your statements advocating laws that would mandate English-only signs, and take away the right of Ontarians to choose by themselves, individually, the Canadian language they will be served in.

Edited September 14, 2008 by CANADIEN

[Leafless]

Thanks for remind me once again that I am an immigrant to Canada, even though I am a 15th-generation Canadian.

We are all immigrants.

But unlike you the large majority of Canadians have chose to be assimilated for the better rather than whine and cry the blues about some obsolete foreign language.

As for the "I am all for freedom bit", to fall for it I'd have to forget all of your statements advocating laws that would mandate English-only signs,

Duh, you don't approve of democratically implemented language laws?

and take away the right of Ontarians to choose by themselves, individually, the Canadian language they will be served in.

You transform the right to freely choose and favour imposed language laws.

Feel free to move to Quebec where they discriminate, oppress and depress with their dictated official language laws.

[CANADIEN]

We are all immigrants.

We're not

But unlike you the large majority of Canadians have chose to be assimilated for the better rather than whine and cry the blues about some obsolete foreign language.

The French language is neither obsolete or foreign, and you are the one whining constantly.

Duh, you don't approve of democratically implemented language laws?

And of course, your definition of "democratically implemented" is "anything that suppresses languages other than English.

You transform the right to freely choose and favour imposed language laws.

Looking at yourself in the mirror again, i see.

Feel free to move to Quebec where they discriminate, oppress and depress with their dictated official language laws.

nah... I'll just wait here in Ontario until you get your dream of having official language laws that discriminate, oppress and depress... But then, you'll never succeed.

[Leafless]

We're not

We all originate from immigrants who mostly all have voluntarily been assimilated.

The French language is neither obsolete or foreign

You appear to ignore the facts.

The French language in Canada is obsolete and only artificially kept functionable courtesy of la federal governmet via the tax payers of Canada.

Quebec is surrounded by over 339 million English speakers vs its 7.5 milion French speakers.

The French language in Canada is a foreign language and is basically used in the province of Quebec.

If French was not a foreign language it would be the de-facto language of Canada which it is NOT.

And of course, your definition of "democratically implemented" is "anything that suppresses languages other than English.

You are one twisted French MINORITY propagandist troublemaker.

nah... I'll just wait here in Ontario until you get your dream of having official language laws that discriminate, oppress and depress... But then, you'll never succeed.

It succeeded in Quebec.

So, who are you to say provinces cannot control their de-facto commercial English language anywhere else in Canada?

Ontario like Quebec unfortunately harbours corrupt provincial and municipal language laws that discriminate, oppress and depress.

You know the province of Ontario harbours a discriminatory French Language Services Act and certain municipalities harbour discriminatory bilingual policies and French sign laws which all have been implemented WITHOUT the voice of the residents/citizens of Ontario and Canada.

This travesty of justice MUST be attended to which as also created a huge financial burden on the majority English speaking residents of Ontario.

The 96% English speaking tax paying residents of Ontario cannot be linguistically controlled by a French minority that represent under 4% of the population of Ontario.

The English language MUST be made the official language of Ontario to preserve the rights and jobs of English speaking reidents of Ontario.

Edited September 14, 2008 by Leafless

[CANADIEN]

We all originate from immigrants (...)

"Originating from immigrants" is not the same is being an immigrant.

(...)who mostly all have voluntarily been assimilated.

As my culture and languages ARE Canadian, I do not need to assimilate into any other language or culture to be fully Canadian.

You appear to ignore the facts.

I just appear to ignore the facts. You constantly do ignore all of them.

The French language in Canada is obsolete and only artificially kept functionable courtesy of la federal governmet via the tax payers of Canada.

Those two MYTHS have been debunked, but since you wish to make a fool of yourself by repeating them over and over and over, be my guest.

Quebec is surrounded by over 339 million English speakers vs its 7.5 milion French speakers.

Mark the day, you a got a fact.

The French language in Canada is a foreign language and is basically used in the province of Quebec.

The myth that French is not a Canadian language has been debunked.

You are one twisted French MINORITY propagandist troublemaker.

The "you're not Canadian" myth again. :lol:

It succeeded in Quebec.

So now you call it success? I still call it m*nure.

So, who are you to say provinces cannot control their de-facto commercial English language anywhere else in Canada?

A Canadian (more precisely an Ontarian) who actually has said before that he is no problem with English getting an official status in Ontario, but who unlike you KNOWS that such a status is quite different from laws banishing French from government services and banishing all languages except English from commercial signs. Don't worry, nobody expects you to get it.

Ontario like Quebec unfortunately harbours corrupt provincial and municipal language laws that discriminate, oppress and depress.

You call unfortunate something that does not exist, yet you want it to happen. Hypocrite.

You know the province of Ontario harbours a discriminatory French Language Services Act(...)

I know there is a French language Services Act, I'm the one who told you. As for knowing it is discriminatory, my knowledge of that is equal to my knowledge that the Earth is flat.

(...)and certain municipalities harbour discriminatory bilingual policies

Once again, my knowledge that municipal bilingual policies are discriminatory is equal to my knowledge that the Earth is flat.

(...)and French sign laws

That mandate the use of English on commercial signs.

I'll pass on the rest of the drivel.

[Leafless]

As my culture and languages ARE Canadian, I do not need to assimilate into any other language or culture to be fully Canadian.

Then NETHER do English speaking Canadians need to bow to any other culture in Canada but are forced to by corrupt French language policies.

It is time for English language policies as I am tired of being railroaded by French language policies that result in corrupt hiring practices in majority dominated English speaking provinces.

I just appear to ignore the facts. You constantly do ignore all of them.

The only facts you have are politically twisted created by dysfunctional governments.

Those two MYTHS have been debunked, but since you wish to make a fool of yourself by repeating them over and over and over, be my guest.

Quebec is already a have not province.

Must I embarrass you further?

Mark the day, you a got a fact.

It is obvious you do not know that. You are like a chicken with running around with its head cut off screaming 'my language is not obsolete'.

The myth that French is not a Canadian language has been debunked.

Debunked in federal supported Quebec.

The "you're not Canadian" myth again. :lol:

You a troubled French Canadian propagadist. This is no myth as you have proven it over and over in this thread.

So now you call it success? I still call it m*nure.

If the federal governemt cannot or will not act against a minority imposing discriminating language laws that nullify charter rights, then I would absolutely call Quebec language laws a success. This of course INCLUDES French Quebec style language laws that have been imposed in majority English speaking provinces.

But I agree with you in a single sense that imposed MINORITY language laws (policies) smells like manure.

A Canadian (more precisely an Ontarian) who actually has said before that he is no problem with English getting an official status in Ontario, but who unlike you KNOWS that such a status is quite different from laws banishing French from government services and banishing all languages except English from commercial signs. Don't worry, nobody expects you to get it.

Obviously you do not understand what 'official status means'.

NULLIFYING AND NO MORE MANDATING FRENCH LANGUAGE POLICIES IN ONTARIO A PROVINCE THAT IS NOT OFFICIALLY BILNGUAL.

You call unfortunate something that does not exist, yet you want it to happen. Hypocrite.

It has happened.

If it does not exist then what the hell in a single instance is this thread all about?

You do not know the meaning of hypocrite, liar.

I know there is a French language Services Act, I'm the one who told you.

Joke of the day.

As for knowing it is discriminatory, my knowledge of that is equal to my knowledge that the Earth is flat.

Once again, my knowledge that municipal bilingual policies are discriminatory is equal to my knowledge that the Earth is flat.

Then you must really think the earth is flat.

French clinics in Ontario ban users of the English language from medical care, a service funded by the majority English (suckers) speaking tax payers of Ontario.

French only entitlement to services in Ontario has no meaning to English speakers in Quebec.

That mandate the use of English on commercial signs.

And French! And you call yourself Canadien.

That is the WHOLE PROBLEM relating to French propagted signage laws. A 4% French minority mandating language laws in a 96% English speaking province of Ontario.

I'll pass on the rest of the drivel.

The only thing you seem to pass is, wind.

[CANADIEN]

Then NETHER do English speaking Canadians need to bow to any other culture in Canada but are forced to by corrupt French language policies.

And since there is no corrupt language policy in Ontario, you don't have a point.

It is time for English language policies as I am tired of being railroaded by French language policies that result in corrupt hiring practices in majority dominated English speaking provinces.

Delusions can be so tiring.

The only facts you have are politically twisted created by dysfunctional governments.

That more than one Canadian choose French as their language is a government-created fact? :lol:

Quebec is already a have not province.

And?? I am an Ontarian.

Must I embarrass you further?

You a troubled French Canadian propagadist. This is no myth as you have proven it over and over in this thread.

Excuse me while I laugh.

Obviously you do not understand what 'official status means'.

NULLIFYING AND NO MORE MANDATING FRENCH LANGUAGE POLICIES IN ONTARIO A PROVINCE THAT IS NOT OFFICIALLY BILNGUAL.

You forgot the part about NO LANGUAGES OTHER THAN ENGLISH ON COMMERCIAL SIGNS, or does you delusion include a belief that I've forgotten about that part?

It has happened.

If it does not exist then what the hell in a single instance is this thread all about?

About your delusional belief it exists and the FACT it doesn't.

Then you must really think the earth is flat.

I don't.

French clinics in Ontario ban users of the English language from medical care, a service funded by the majority English (suckers) speaking tax payers of Ontario.

Look. You got two facts straight in two days. And of course, nobody should be denied health services in either English or French in Ontario.

French only entitlement to services in Ontario has no meaning to English speakers in Quebec.

No more and no less that English-language universities, hospitals or schools in Quebec has a meaning to French speakers in Ontario.

And French!

I DO know that the Russell by-law mandates the use of English and French. Youkeep ignoring half of the story.

But I will give you a break. Your non-sense has gone from insluting to funny to boring. Let me know when you have something original to make a fool of yourself about. In the meantime, I'll exercise and enjoy my rights as a Canadian and an Ontarian.

[PoliticalCitizen]

My opinion is that nation-wide bilingualism is a huge waste of money to a very limited benefit.

It would make a lot more sense to have a law that would mandate the use of at least 1 state language (depending on province), in addition to which other languages could be used (Mandarin, Spanish, Italian, Korean, Russian etc.)

[Leafless]

My opinion is that nation-wide bilingualism is a huge waste of money to a very limited benefit.

There is no nation wide bilingualism in Canada because there are no other countries along our borders that require a language other than the English language.

But your right that existing federal linguistic attempts to satisfy a twisted minority that refuses to assimilate, like the rest of us, has been a huge waste of money.

Beats me why the federal government continues to pour trillions of dollars into Quebec a province that harbours continual separatist ideologies and continues to make fools of the majority English speaking population by trying to force the country to speak its unwanted, needless language.

It would make a lot more sense to have a law that would mandate the use of at least 1 state language (depending on province), in addition to which other languages could be used (Mandarin, Spanish, Italian, Korean, Russian etc.)

English is the de-facto language of Canada and this language should made the only official language of all Canada.

Official minority languages in an official multicultural country is unacceptable as it only creates a never ending struggle for power. This is currently the case with Quebec and the Aboriginals who are now demanding the same linguistic status as Quebec.

But I agree that English language and a second mandated language depending on the province makes sense as Canada is an official multicultural country and is a country the government chooses to fill with non-White immigrants with diverse cultures.

We cannot allow minorities to linguistically uproot the FREE-FLOWING English de-facto language of Canada at the huge, ever increasing, expense of Canadian tax payers.

Edited September 16, 2008 by Leafless

[guyser]

Canada is a foreign cultural enclave

Good, get out ya damn foreigner !

[M.Dancer]

English de-facto language of Canada .....

"de-facto"?

[Leafless]

Good, get out ya damn foreigner !

This is a typical 'guyser' comment misquoting and spewing hate filled messages.

REPORTED!

[Leafless]

"de-facto"?

It is a fact that the English language is Canada's ONLY and largest free-flowing language which is utilized commercially and residentially by the large majority of Canadians.