Pliny Posted January 25, 2008 Report Posted January 25, 2008 Hey. Don't pick on the party I'd belong to if I were Canadian. I can only be grateful you are not Canadian. I think you would find the Conservative party left wing enough for you if you were. Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
gc1765 Posted January 25, 2008 Report Posted January 25, 2008 Better than having every vending machine on limited access highways having a supply of "bud". Here in Canada alcohol is legal, but that doesn't mean you can buy it from any vending machine... Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
jbg Posted January 26, 2008 Author Report Posted January 26, 2008 You think there's no middle ground there? Or is debating just easier when any potential middle ground is assumed to be impossible? Depends on what that middle ground is. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
BubberMiley Posted January 26, 2008 Report Posted January 26, 2008 Depends on what that middle ground is. Regulation, like with alcohol. Don't sell it to minors anymore. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Drea Posted January 26, 2008 Report Posted January 26, 2008 Bubber, they only see "black" and "white". Either pot is available to everyone including 3 year olds, or it is not available at all. No middle ground. Bad or good. Black or white... I feel sorry for them living in a world where everything is "us" or "them". Of course with a mentality of a grape... one can only understand things in terms of "this" or "that". Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
BubberMiley Posted January 26, 2008 Report Posted January 26, 2008 Bubber, they only see "black" and "white". Either pot is available to everyone including 3 year olds, or it is not available at all. I find it odd then that the status quo, where pot would be available to three-year-olds (who can afford it), would be considered acceptable. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Community Advocate Posted January 30, 2008 Report Posted January 30, 2008 So altruism is your motivation? My motivation is being a part of the solution to keep our kids safe from the harmful effects of dangerous drugs. I have been a part of such solutions in my community since I moved here. It is my only motive - keeping our kids safe from the harmful effects of dangerous drugs. Is that altruism? Do you prefer prescription drugs? Prefer? I'm unsure what you are asking. I believe that prescription drugs are necessary for some ailments, disorders, and disease and I leave that completely to the discretion of the patient and doctor to figure that out. THAT is none of my business. However, when kids are abusing prescription medications for a 'high', that comes under the "harmful effects of dangerous drugs" that kids are using and abusing. Perhaps by advocating drug testing at schools, intervention and the "proper prescription" can "save" many schoolchildren. Again, I'm unsure of what you mean by this, with "save" in quotes. If you replaced that word with "help" or "assist", or 'mentor', or 'advise', or "teach", or "intervene" or 'advocate', or 'support', then the answer would be yes. But I have no illusions about personally 'saving' anyone. Saving families from the turmoil and resulting health problems for the children and parents by presenting information on resources, etc. , perhaps, but more like giving them the information and the opportunity to intervene as they would be required by law to do for any other health ailment or condition of the children in their care. I do have a problem with believing you are being entirely honest. Altruism is a rare trait and it must be differentiated from what can be termed "do-gooder meddling" in the lives of others. Putting plumbing in mud huts in African villages would be classified as do-gooder meddling. Allowing people to live as they are used to and to progress or evolve at a sustainable rate, and protecting them from do-gooder meddling would be altruistic. Well, that is your problem then, isn't it? I am a rare cookie - anyone who knows me will tell you that! "Do gooder? I'll take that. I've built many playgrounds in my community, I've built recreation centers, advocated and delegated for better services for families, children, and youth, worked on harassment policies with the school district, held violence workshops, parenting classes, etc. etc. etc. The reason I find myself advocating for legislation for mandatory rehab for youth is through the stories from those I am advocating for. In the thread regarding "Drug Testing in Schools", you will find more information about that. Yes, I am one rare cookie who is determined not to complain, but to jump in and be a part of a solution. Not to 'meddle' in the lives of anyone, but to advocate and inform those who come to me through word of mouth. Even the public service sector workers are referring people to me - people they can not help because their "hands are tied", much like the police and the parents. Mud huts in African villages in next on the list. I have to retire first. In the meantime, my third world volunteer 'altruistic meddling' is done here online: (just in case you wanted to know how I contribute to 'altruistic meddling') I didn't start the webiste, I just contribute. www. Kiva.org Quote
Community Advocate Posted January 30, 2008 Report Posted January 30, 2008 Regulation, like with alcohol. Don't sell it to minors anymore. I like that idea. And I'm a black and white thinker (minus the mentality of a grape!) Quote
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