The New World Order

[Pindar]

Yeah see, it doesn't matter. You could say the moon landing were all fake and I could show you the real deal and you would still say no good evidence. Mainly because your psychologicla need to believe there's a nefarious evil global conspiracy is greater than the banal truth.

On top of that, you haven't put forth any evidence that a conspiracy exists that isn't laughable and I'm not required to prove a negative.

I know replies like this. it's actually no reply but a conditioned response masked as an argument

It's ok. some people have the courage to look into this, some not.

And I can't convince anyone, people has to do this for themself.

I can only point to the information and tell that I think it is very very important.

I am not trying to convince anyone, you can think what you want, it's called 'freedom'

Nuff said

Pindar

[Oleg Bach]

very very good! Now try to find out about the Round table Group, Rhodes scholars, Trilateral Commision and the

Council of Foreign Relations. Skull & Bones, Bohemian Grove, Hell Fire Club, and on and on it goes..

or start reading this;

13 bloodlines of the illuminati

and wake up!

Pindar

There is no "illuminati" - if such a group existed they would have to be illuminated, which means so highly intelligent they would be saints and messiahs. Great men of great wisdom. Can any body here honestly say they have seen global evidence of brilliant world wide managers and leaders? There really is no evidence of intelligent life in high places - if there was we would not be having the problems we do on an international scale. This is much like the Wizard Of Oz. Once you get to the Emerald City and enter the gates and the inner room - there is really no one their of any consequence. People should become more dependent on themselves and their own good judgement and ability - instead of speculating that there are a group of illuminated wise men running the show.

As far as blood lines - it's safe to say if there is such a thing they have bred themselves into stupidity - England is full of inbred wanna be elite - Israel is the same...a blood line does not improve by marrying your fouth cousin a dozen times - it deteriorates...to create high quality DNA you must take the best from all human sources. This exclusionary breeding is based in vacariousness and egocentricity - Here is the perfect example - a father has a son and in his egoist mind the son is a reproduction or clone of the father - not so - the son always has the brain and personage of the mother - and the daughter takes on the traits of the father - this is common knowledge - and to think that Bush Junior is a clone of the old man is a mistake - just look at them...one is inferiour to the other. George may just be a reincarnate of his crazy drunken aunt Martha that died in 1942. I really get a kick out of how nature plays nasty tricks on the super rich and powerful - look at Cheney's daughter - now that was a real slap in the face for this raging oil merchant with an ego the size of a hundred dollar barrel.

[M.Dancer]

I am not trying to convince anyone, you can think what you want, it's called 'freedom'

Nuff said

Pindar

Of course you are. That's why you started this thread. You are looking for others to help validate your beliefs. But since so few have, we are the ones who don't have the courage in your mind.

[Pindar]

Of course you are. That's why you started this thread. You are looking for others to help validate your beliefs. But since so few have, we are the ones who don't have the courage in your mind.

Even this is only your opinion.

I KNOW I can't convince people.

however, I think the information is very important and i can offer this to you and others.

But I can't tell you what you want to do with it, that's not up to me.

You can take it or leave it, it's ok

and since when can you mindread?

I am looking for others to help validat e my beliefs??

Sorry, but you don't know me, and I don't post to validate them at all!

I offer this to people who are open and receptive to this.

Pindar

Edited January 7, 2008 by Pindar

[Oleg Bach]

Even this is only your opinion.

I KNOW I can't convince people.

however, I think the information is very important and i can offer this to you and others.

But I can't tell you what you want to do with it, that's not up to me.

You can take it or leave it, it's ok

Pindar

YOU be the illuminati! It's a belief system - maybe there is a toothless guy pumping gas in Nebraska - maybe that guy suggests on how to proceed - seeing our leaders are not leaders.

[Pindar]

There is no "illuminati" - if such a group existed they would have to be illuminated, which means so highly intelligent they would be saints and messiahs. Great men of great wisdom. Can any body here honestly say they have seen global evidence of brilliant world wide managers and leaders? There really is no evidence of intelligent life in high places - if there was we would not be having the problems we do on an international scale. This is much like the Wizard Of Oz. Once you get to the Emerald City and enter the gates and the inner room - there is really no one their of any consequence. People should become more dependent on themselves and their own good judgement and ability - instead of speculating that there are a group of illuminated wise men running the show.

As far as blood lines - it's safe to say if there is such a thing they have bred themselves into stupidity - England is full of inbred wanna be elite - Israel is the same...a blood line does not improve by marrying your fouth cousin a dozen times - it deteriorates...to create high quality DNA you must take the best from all human sources. This exclusionary breeding is based in vacariousness and egocentricity - Here is the perfect example - a father has a son and in his egoist mind the son is a reproduction or clone of the father - not so - the son always has the brain and personage of the mother - and the daughter takes on the traits of the father - this is common knowledge - and to think that Bush Junior is a clone of the old man is a mistake - just look at them...one is inferiour to the other. George may just be a reincarnate of his crazy drunken aunt Martha that died in 1942. I really get a kick out of how nature plays nasty tricks on the super rich and powerful - look at Cheney's daughter - now that was a real slap in the face for this raging oil merchant with an ego the size of a hundred dollar barrel.

The only thing you are saying to me is that you don't understand what I am talking about.

I don't call them "Illuminati" They do, and they think they are above the rest.

However, they are the (negative) manipulators of society, and we all are "puppets on a string" and even don't realise it.

Especcially the ones who are defending the status quo.

Pindar

[Pindar]

YOU be the illuminati! It's a belief system - maybe there is a toothless guy pumping gas in Nebraska - maybe that guy suggests on how to proceed - seeing our leaders are not leaders.

well, again, I can see you haven't studied it a bit and know most about it.

it's ok, it's ok

Pindar

[Oleg Bach]

well, again, I can see you haven't studied it a bit and know most about it.

it's ok, it's ok

Pindar

Spent years studying them - infact thirty odd years....I did not say they do not exist - because I have met the odd one - They are not nice people and really not that smart - if they were intelligent they would be good - and being good in the long run is the best and most intelligent way to go - One thing I do know about the so-called illuminated ones is that they have huge egos and will refere to themselves as "wise" - The have but one thing - not talent - not great creative power - their crimminal fathers and grandfathers committed crimes to generate family fortunes - they have only one thing MONEY- AND REALLY NOT ANY BRAINS OR HEART OR COURAGE - So don't worship them - they feed on your fear and your admiration - I hope you get the point.

[Pindar]

Spent years studying them - infact thirty odd years....I did not say they do not exist - because I have met the odd one - They are not nice people and really not that smart - if they were intelligent they would be good - and being good in the long run is the best and most intelligent way to go - One thing I do know about the so-called illuminated ones is that they have huge egos and will refere to themselves as "wise" - The have but one thing - not talent - not great creative power - their crimminal fathers and grandfathers committed crimes to generate family fortunes - they have only one thing MONEY- AND REALLY NOT ANY BRAINS OR HEART OR COURAGE - So don't worship them - they feed on your fear and your admiration - I hope you get the point.

I don't worship them at all! How can you think that?

well, brains they have! They are for sure not stupid at all!

and no creative power? well, that depends, but I know for sure they want to destroy our creativity.

sorry but if i reed the above, I really think we are not talking about the same 'people'

Pindar

[White Doors]

sounds like we are talking about the boogy man in my closet from 1975.

I KNOW he was there. You can't convince me he wasn't.

OPEN your mind.

Sheeple.

[Pindar]

sounds like we are talking about the boogy man in my closet from 1975.

I KNOW he was there. You can't convince me he wasn't.

OPEN your mind.

Sheeple.

Again I am not here to convince anyone.

Isnt't that odd? people are convinced I am. try to figure out why.

people nowadays can't imagine someone NOT indoctrinating them!

I am presenting information that is withheld from us for at least hundreds of years

But we can begin in the now. There is sooo much surpressed!

And it all has to do with the powers behind the screen. yes Everything!

scarcity=dependency=control

Pindar

Edited January 7, 2008 by Pindar

[M.Dancer]

and since when can you mindread?

I am looking for others to help validat e my beliefs??

I don't need to be a mind reader, I am all ready a post reader.

If we don't wake up, we will get a planet worse then the fourt reich!

offcourse there is so much more to say but this is the start.

Pindar

Now tell me again you aren't trying to recruit members for the tinfoil hat brigade.....

[M.Dancer]

I don't call them "Illuminati" They do, and they think they are above the rest.

Prove it.

[M.Dancer]

I would suggest you read Focault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. But you would probably think that it ain't a work of fiction

[M.Dancer]

Again I am not here to convince anyone.

.....

I am presenting information.......

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[Pindar]

Prove it.

prove what?

I know these tricks

If I give you 'proof' you raise the bar etc etc

I don't want to play games like this

I am only offering information and if you don't mind I stop this way of discussion it leads nowhere

I am putting energy into someone who isn't intrested.

and it's ok if you want to defend that it is not so etc.

I don't care.

I will give out information for open minden people here.

Pindar

[White Doors]

prove what?

I know these tricks

If I give you 'proof' you raise the bar etc etc

I don't want to play games like this

I am only offering information and if you don't mind I stop this way of discussion it leads nowhere

I am putting energy into someone who isn't intrested.

and it's ok if you want to defend that it is not so etc.

I don't care.

I will give out information for open minden people here.

Pindar

What information have you presented besides crack-pot conspiracy sites?

[Pindar]

So,

people who want to investigate all this, this is a very good beginning:

None dare call it conspiracy

Full text of the book and for free.

So, dear Reader, if you realy intrested, just start with this, if only a few pages.

Pindar

[Pindar]

What information have you presented besides crack-pot conspiracy sites?

well, as you see, if i give out information you will call it beforehand crack-pot etc.

And it is you every right to call it that. However, other people might think otherwise, please

respect that. You give me ridicule etc, why? I don't do that with you.

Can we please respect each other differences?

Thanks

Pindar

[margrace]

well, as you see, if i give out information you will call it beforehand crack-pot etc.

And it is you every right to call it that. However, other people might think otherwise, please

respect that. You give me ridicule etc, why? I don't do that with you.

Can we please respect each other differences?

Thanks

Pindar

Pindar, people who respond with name calling or sarcasm are of two types. Either they are little children types who want to believe big daddy will look after them and they don't want to know your stories it frightens them or they are somehow connected to the big daddy types you are describing and are on here to shut up people such as you.

The world that they describe or believe in never had and does not exist.

[M.Dancer]

Cuing black helicopters....

[Pindar]

Pindar, people who respond with name calling or sarcasm are of two types. Either they are little children types who want to believe big daddy will look after them and they don't want to know your stories it frightens them or they are somehow connected to the big daddy types you are describing and are on here to shut up people such as you.

The world that they describe or believe in never had and does not exist.

I know and it's ok. I also know that the government let people get on the internet to do these kind of things

But I still treat them with respect, even if they try to ridicule me.

i can handle that, and you know the quote from Schoppenhauer?:

All truth goes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Then it is violently opposed. Finally,..... it is accepted as self-evident.

So, no matter what, i will continue

Pindar

Edited January 7, 2008 by Pindar

[M.Dancer]

Again I am not here to convince anyone.

So, no matter what, i will continue

[Pindar]

so?

I will continue offering this to the people. Even if I can't convince people I will continue.

will you continue the way you are doing now?

Pindar

Edited January 7, 2008 by Pindar

[M.Dancer]

Lets have a synopsis of pinder's facts and sources

An group of individuals (unnamed) control the world.

They have 13 bloodlines (no lab reports confirming)

Evokes the name of Fritz Springmeier noted conspiracy anti mason etc etc nut, who is currently serving a 9 year prison sentence for armed robbery in the US....

Gosh! I'm convinced!