bush_cheney2004 Posted January 6, 2008 Report Posted January 6, 2008 Plus, one never knows if one is simply dealing with a Devil's Advocate...or not... Good point as well...there is no reason to villify another member on a personal level unless you got no game. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Oleg Bach Posted January 7, 2008 Report Posted January 7, 2008 Having principals is not a bad thing. Expecting innocent people to die so you can feel secure in your principals is a very selfish thing.My point exactly, there will be a cross to bear which ever way you go. I will if you stop making me out as some kind of freak who gets his jollies by torturing innocent children. That does strike a nerve and won't be taken lying down. Innocent children or innocent adults, it's the same to me. You don't torture anyone ever - there is no excuse - as I said sadism is a sickness. All those who promote torture are sadists. What else could they really be other than some sort of spiritual and sexual dysfunctional! It should be made known to all that torture is viagra for those that are dick -------------less...real men do hot hire henchmen to torment others. The way it works is some spoiled rich dweeb sitting in a position of authority - HIRES an idiot to do the dirty work - usually a group of them...to gang up on the victim..if the man had no money he could not order a torture. Plain and simple - torturers hire stupid people to do what they are powerless to do if the man was not gagged and bound. I don't see any poor people order torture...it's a rich mans preversion. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 7, 2008 Author Report Posted January 7, 2008 All those who promote torture are sadists. Who promotes torture? As well, using this logic could we say that Georges Guynamer and Albert Ball were murderers? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Miss Marie: Is there something I can do for you? James Bond: Ye-es, as a matter of fact there is. There's something I'd like you to get off your chest (starts strangling her with her own bikini top) Where is Ernst Stavro Blofeld? Speak up, darling, I can't hear you! ---Diamonds Are Forever, 1971 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jbg Posted January 7, 2008 Report Posted January 7, 2008 I will if you stop making me out as some kind of freak who gets his jollies by torturing innocent children. That does strike a nerve and won't be taken lying down.Ronald Reagan parried similar accusations that he wanted to start a nuclear war (because he couldn't in good conscience rule out nuclear option) by pointing out that he was a grandfather and the last thing he wanted was for his grandchildren to fight. I remember this clearly from the 1980 Debate with Carter, at a point when I was an avid Carter supporter. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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