Carinthia Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 (edited) Deleted post Edited December 11, 2007 by Carinthia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carinthia Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 (edited) In our case, Canada does not pay any money to the Royal Family. Yes, I know that. I was born and raised in England. Edited December 11, 2007 by Carinthia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Are the Conservatives being opportunistic in pandering to separatists in La belle province? Does it even matter? Is anyone aside from the government invited? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 British Patroleum and that seed company that Charley owns...you know the one that grows crops where the seeds are useless ......the Queen shut down the pipe line in the west north because of a few rust holes - sometimes the royals get cheap and expect us to foot the bill..now that is power...money goes to the Royals via buisness - and it must be astounding what they own - if it was made public you would find that Billy Gates is but kitchen help. Those that insult the Queen are fools - we need her...as she needs us and the principle of service will not be found in secularist democracy - that serves it's own bureacrats before it serves the people - She has dedicated her life to serving us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 That is the direction to which I point. I'm a Canadian, born and raised. My family has been in this glorious land for as far back as I can trace on the old family tree. It sort of irks me to see the Queen, bless her, on my money and so on. I'm a Canadian, not a British subject. The Queen has nothing to do with making us British subjects and hasn't for years! Civics 101 lesson! We happen to SHARE a Queen with Britain! We are an independent Dominion, not a colony! While the Queen is figuratively our Head of State she has no legal power. That ended when Trudeau brought back the Constitution. Where have you been all this time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Well people its seems the government of Quebec has in fact invited the Queen. The news said Harper didn't want her here because he thought there would be protests in Quebec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted December 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 The Province of Québec cannot invite the Queen directly. The Québec government and Québec City politicians asked the Conservatives to invite the Queen on their behalf. Request denied. In the end this saves taxpayers money. It also heads off enormous embarrassment to all Canadians for the guaranteed insulting conduct of rabid protesters during her appearances. Given the treatment she received the last time she visited La belle province HM Queen Elizabeth is probably relieved she won't be attending. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the government had already tested the ground with her to gauge her feelings on her possible attendance. Had she insisted on attending an invitation would probably have been extended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montreal_Alex Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 The Queen's presence wouldn't be regarded as Important anyhow. I cannot see the Average Quebecois as being enthusiastic about the role of the Monarchy in this province. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfie Canadian Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 The Queen has nothing to do with making us British subjects and hasn't for years!Civics 101 lesson! We happen to SHARE a Queen with Britain! We are an independent Dominion, not a colony! While the Queen is figuratively our Head of State she has no legal power. That ended when Trudeau brought back the Constitution. Where have you been all this time? I have been here, sir, occasionally wondering why a person who "has no legal power" is our head of state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 While the Queen is figuratively our Head of State she has no legal power. That ended when Trudeau brought back the Constitution. Most of your post is correct, but this is not. The Queen remains the power of government for Canada; only, constitutional convention dictates that she - and her viceroy - not exercise any of that power without the guiding advice of her ministers, unless absolutely necessary to maintain the stability of government. The patriation of the constitution changed nothing in this matter; all that did was absolutely separate the Canadian Crown from the British. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 The Province of Québec cannot invite the Queen directly. The Québec government and Québec City politicians asked the Conservatives to invite the Queen on their behalf. Request denied. In the end this saves taxpayers money. It also heads off enormous embarrassment to all Canadians for the guaranteed insulting conduct of rabid protesters during her appearances. Given the treatment she received the last time she visited La belle province HM Queen Elizabeth is probably relieved she won't be attending. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the government had already tested the ground with her to gauge her feelings on her possible attendance. Had she insisted on attending an invitation would probably have been extended. I can agree with you about the embarrassment part; I almost imagine the sovereigntists - desperate now for some kind of visible target to focus their energies on - salivating over the idea of the Queen appearing at a very public event in Quebec City. They would, of course, raise a foreign head of state - the President of France - on their shoulders and parade him through the streets. They crave, no doubt, another "Vive le Québec libre!" It should be remembered, though, that a province can invite the Queen to any event it hosts, and the Queen has been to Quebec a number of times since the infamous Truncheon Saturday. I also doubt that the Queen is particularly perturbed about sovereigntist protesters - before that same 1964 tour of Quebec the souverainistes made threats against her life, her advisors warned her not to go, but she waved them away and went anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Most of your post is correct, but this is not. The Queen remains the power of government for Canada; only, constitutional convention dictates that she - and her viceroy - not exercise any of that power without the guiding advice of her ministers, unless absolutely necessary to maintain the stability of government. The patriation of the constitution changed nothing in this matter; all that did was absolutely separate the Canadian Crown from the British. I stand corrected! However, I still remain loyal. I accept that the Queen is in practice a figurehead, as a representation of our heritage. The fact that in the final analysis she wields power bothers me not a whit. If we totally severed our ties to the Queen, am I supposed to give the equivalent amount of respect to the last couple of Governors General the Libs appointed? Queen Elizabeth or ex-CBC hacks? Easy choice for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 If we totally severed our ties to the Queen, am I supposed to give the equivalent amount of respect to the last couple of Governors General the Libs appointed? I'd imagine it would be whatever new president had been elected or appointed. President Rick Mercer, anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 I'd imagine it would be whatever new president had been elected or appointed. President Rick Mercer, anyone? To Eastern... How about Her Excellency, K.D. Lang? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 To Eastern...How about Her Excellency, K.D. Lang? K. D. ? I doubt she will get many votes in Alberta, and certainly not from any beef farmers. She doesnt like meat. Pun not entirely intended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kengs333 Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Québec City will soon be celebrating its 400th anniversary. The Conservatives have not extended an invitation to the Queen to attend the celebrations. Not surprising, the Bloc agrees. Should the Queen be invited? I am a monarchist but personally, this non-invitation does not upset me whatsoever.Are the Conservatives being opportunistic in pandering to separatists in La belle province? Does it even matter? http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2007/12...4717334-cp.html It's really a no-brainer: The Queen is our head-of-state and therefore she should be here regardless of whether or not someone "invites" her. If I were her, I'd assemble a nice big Royal Navy armada escort and sail right up the St. Lawrence in grand Imperial Britannic fashion, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 It's really a no-brainer: The Queen is our head-of-state and therefore she should be here regardless of whether or not someone "invites" her. If I were her, I'd assemble a nice big Royal Navy armada escort and sail right up the St. Lawrence in grand Imperial Britannic fashion, too. Yea...just waltz over queenie ! Hey bring a keg or two with you. Forget about protocol...security....costs.....you know , the important things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kengs333 Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Yea...just waltz over queenie ! Hey bring a keg or two with you.Forget about protocol...security....costs.....you know , the important things. You never fail to have something brilliant to add to a conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 You never fail to have something brilliant to add to a conversation. Wonder if I got her drunk is she would let me try on her crown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 (edited) You never fail to have something brilliant to add to a conversation. Why thank you keng. I suppose it is better than saying something entirely stupid....like "she should be here without an invite. " Edited December 14, 2007 by guyser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliny Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 I heard from a Quebecer, who was quite proud of the fact that the last time the Queen was in Quebec, someone threw a beer bottle at her. Don't know if she made that up but she is an outspoken "peace warrior". Fighting for compassion and understanding and Quebec separation. Perhaps our next candidate for Gov-Gen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 The Globe and Mail seemed rather miffed with the Harper Ministry's decision: The Pope has been invited. The President of France has been invited. And because the summit of la Francophonie's heads of state and heads of government will be held there, the presidents of Gabon, Chad and every other two-bit former French colony on the planet have been invited. Why, then, has Canada's head of state not also been invited to participate in the 400th anniversary of the founding of Quebec City?It is not a question for the mayor of Quebec City or for the government of Quebec. Both local and provincial governments long ago asked the federal government to invite the Queen to attend an event that is not only of narrow regional interest but of major national significance. Quebec Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Benoît Pelletier confirmed this on Radio-Canada. "We told the Canadian government about our wish to have the Queen present at the 400th-anniversary celebrations." The responsibility for this bizarre snub, then, must be borne by Stephen Harper's Conservative government. <snip> It is mystifying behaviour from a government that pretends to value national institutions and tradition. Meanwhile, excitement continues to build in Ottawa over efforts to make Quebec City ready for the visit of President Faure Gnassingbé of Togo. Globe and Mail: Why snub the Queen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 (edited) All those heads are invited and not the Queen? That is very surprising , and I wonder why that is. What would cpc have against inviting the Queen? edit: anything in the article? It is a pay-for reading site. Edited December 18, 2007 by guyser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 (edited) All those heads are invited and not the Queen? That is very surprising , and I wonder why that is. The article doesn't explain why; it merely speculates like the rest of us. There is rumour, however, that it may be due to there currently being a minority government situation and fears that the cabinet could fall while the Queen is in Canada. Personally, I've never understood this over-protective approach to the Queen and Canadian politics. Though she will, after she calls an election in the UK, cease to participate in very public occasions, she can't predict when her government in Britain will fall any more than she can for her Canadian government. So, why constantly speculate on what might happen? If the government falls when she's here, then, so what? Edited December 19, 2007 by g_bambino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted December 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 I'm posting this mainly for you history buffs. See the bottom of the Globe article which contains interesting factoids on famous historical leaders. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...ational/Europe/ ...and I add, long live the Queen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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