What do aboriginals want?

[M.Dancer]

I would put him on the ignore list except some of his clangers are so darned funny I'm afraid i would miss a good laugh.

[Posit]

I would put him on the ignore list except some of his clangers are so darned funny I'm afraid i would miss a good laugh.

And of course the bum buddies- AnnusThermopyles and HimDancer - are derail threads with their anally retentive antics. I don't doubt I know which one is the woman....Yes and he wears army boots!

Get on with the show, gay boys.....

[AngusThermopyle]

I would put him on the ignore list except some of his clangers are so darned funny I'm afraid i would miss a good laugh.

Thats true.

Actually answers like his previous one just make my day. It's nice to see him admit the truth, even when he actually doesn't.

I'm not gay, but I have nothing against gay people either. I figure it's none of my buisness what two consenting adults choose to do with each other. Nice cop out answer though, very grade nine juvenile sort of thing.

[White Doors]

I would put him on the ignore list except some of his clangers are so darned funny I'm afraid i would miss a good laugh.

That's always the measuring stick isn't it?

It's like wanting to look at an accident but hoping you don't see actual blood.

[White Doors]

So apparently he doesn't like 'whitey's and gays too. Hope there are no white left footers reading your posts Posit. They might be offended by your bigotry.

[Wild Bill]

Thats true.

Actually answers like his previous one just make my day. It's nice to see him admit the truth, even when he actually doesn't.

I'm not gay, but I have nothing against gay people either. I figure it's none of my buisness what two consenting adults choose to do with each other. Nice cop out answer though, very grade nine juvenile sort of thing.

It is kinda juvenile, isn't it? Does it seem to you that posters like him seem to slip and "go juvenile" when you really score a point?

I mean, most times you might not agree with his posts but he seems overall mature, if a touch preachy. Hit him with a zinger and the tone of the response slips "big time".

I'm starting to wonder if we human beings are actually two entirely different species. The differences in how we think and perceive the world are often dramatically different. It's more than simple disagreement. It's as if some folks literally can't be objective, they can't distinguish between a datum for it's emotional value to them or it's actual truth or validity.

In other words. they know what they like and anything else is "evil". No amount of new argument or evidence will change that. And it's more than being confident in your beliefs or not finding opposing arguments sufficiently well thought out. They actually get angry!

That's why if you're on the wrong side of an issue you're a homophobe, a bigot, a racist, a running dog capitalist lackey of the bourgoisie who should be censured if not imprisoned!

Or at least kicked off this board!

It doesn't bother this type of personality to be dishonest and play tricks with the truth when he posts. He's already decided that HIS truth means that any means is justified!

I see this attitude a lot in my neighbourhood circle of fellow citizens. Something has been lost these past few decades in the common baseline of our society. Or maybe I was just too naive when I was younger and it actually was never there!

I'm talking about why a schoolboy would run for a student council position and instinctively be polite to his opponent. Why someone could not pad an insurance report after being robbed, even though he knows full well the insurance company will be trying to depreciate his claim as much as possible.

Or a housewife who finds some grocery item in her bags that wasn't hers or on the receipt, so she gets her husband to return it. Or maybe her husband comes across a car accident and stops to give first aid/CPR, even though he read in the paper that morning about a case of an accident victim suing a good samaritan for not helping properly or professionally enough to prevent further harm.

Or why someone would lie in an argument about his background as if that makes his points more valid, even though it's just an Internet discussion board.

Being from a military background I'm sure you've already guessed the term I've been talking about, Angus.

I'm talking about honour!

I really think that in too many areas today it is considered either too old and hokey a concept or it has been forgotten altogether!

Anyhow, the differences I see in how people around me think and believe are getting more and more deeper and profound. I getting a bit uneasy about the trend...

[AngusThermopyle]

Actually we had a discussion about honour before. Many of the responses dealt with fighting over a perceived or imagined slight or insult. Very few touched upon the fact that honour is also doing the right thing, no matter the consequence. Self sacrifice in the service of others is a key component of an honourable person.

My personal perception of honour leans toward the latter and has almost nothing to do with avenging some insult or slight. I'm afraid the concept of honour has fallen out of fashion today. Those who claim to be honourable mostly refer to it in the punitive sense.

You make some good points in your post Bill.

[kengs333]

Well, since you're wrong ~again~, I would suggest that you talk to US Special Ops. About 1 in 10 of the trainers are native. As well, in Canada native peoples have enlisted in the Armed Forces in greater proportion than any other ethnic group. And you wonder why our government is so afraid of the Mohawks....?

Special Operation units tend to be instructed by former members, and very, very few members are Indians; and if they are, they're more than likely not "fullblooded".

I'm really doubting that many members of Six Nations "warrior caste are former members of the Canadian Forces, and personally I'm not all that concerned about any military training they may have if they were. Still, if it ever came down to an armed uprising, I'm sure that all of these former members would be identified and specifically targetted. Anything that would happen at Six Nations would not be dealt with like Ipperwash. Either JTF2 or CSOR would be sent in first and before the "warriors" even know what's going on, the ability to defend would largely be neutralized. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if members of Canada's special operations units haven't already been familiarizing themselves with the reserve.

[M.Dancer]

24 mol and a carton of cigs

[Brain Candy]

Wait a minute. The First Nation did have their own nation till the English and French came and took it away from them, like the invasion of Iraq! Haven't you watched on the TV the "History of Canada"????? Alot of us who are non-native may not like that statement, but its the truth so let be fair.

We didnt take, we traded and they let us in. However it seems they may need their own sovereign state, it would be better then those ghetto's they call reserves now.

[Posit]

It is kinda juvenile, isn't it? Does it seem to you that posters like him seem to slip and "go juvenile" when you really score a point?

I mean, most times you might not agree with his posts but he seems overall mature, if a touch preachy. Hit him with a zinger and the tone of the response slips "big time".

I'm starting to wonder if we human beings are actually two entirely different species. The differences in how we think and perceive the world are often dramatically different. It's more than simple disagreement. It's as if some folks literally can't be objective, they can't distinguish between a datum for it's emotional value to them or it's actual truth or validity.

In other words. they know what they like and anything else is "evil". No amount of new argument or evidence will change that. And it's more than being confident in your beliefs or not finding opposing arguments sufficiently well thought out. They actually get angry!

That's why if you're on the wrong side of an issue you're a homophobe, a bigot, a racist, a running dog capitalist lackey of the bourgoisie who should be censured if not imprisoned!

Or at least kicked off this board!

It doesn't bother this type of personality to be dishonest and play tricks with the truth when he posts. He's already decided that HIS truth means that any means is justified!

I see this attitude a lot in my neighbourhood circle of fellow citizens. Something has been lost these past few decades in the common baseline of our society. Or maybe I was just too naive when I was younger and it actually was never there!

I'm talking about why a schoolboy would run for a student council position and instinctively be polite to his opponent. Why someone could not pad an insurance report after being robbed, even though he knows full well the insurance company will be trying to depreciate his claim as much as possible.

Or a housewife who finds some grocery item in her bags that wasn't hers or on the receipt, so she gets her husband to return it. Or maybe her husband comes across a car accident and stops to give first aid/CPR, even though he read in the paper that morning about a case of an accident victim suing a good samaritan for not helping properly or professionally enough to prevent further harm.

Or why someone would lie in an argument about his background as if that makes his points more valid, even though it's just an Internet discussion board.

Being from a military background I'm sure you've already guessed the term I've been talking about, Angus.

I'm talking about honour!

I really think that in too many areas today it is considered either too old and hokey a concept or it has been forgotten altogether!

Anyhow, the differences I see in how people around me think and believe are getting more and more deeper and profound. I getting a bit uneasy about the trend...

It is impossible to discuss serious issue with insentient people. Perhaps if you speak their kind of jibberish something might get through.

Did you know that the army engineer corp has the highest rate of homosexual behavior in their ranks?

[AngusThermopyle]

Do you know the meaning of the phrase "clutching at straws" ?

[Posit]

Do you know the meaning of the phrase "clutching at straws" ?

Troll

[White Doors]

Troll

troll? You are the one reduced to calling people 'gay'.

"I disgaree and by the way, you are gay"

LOL

that's all you got left.

[AngusThermopyle]

LOL

that's all you got left.

It's pretty much all he ever had to begin with.

It is impossible to discuss serious issue with insentient people.

Thats correct Posit, thats why I don't even attempt to do so with you. The fact that you recognize this about yourself does indicate a positive start though.

Edited November 30, 2007 by AngusThermopyle

[Rue]

how many scalps have you taken? and when police are issued guns and tasers you would be the only one to post it would be hard to fire a taser out of a gun.

Stick to the debate. Racist taunts only belittle yourself.

[Rue]

and where is the U.N. when crimes are committed on cruse ships on the high seas?Captins become dictators and rule. Yet in other cases charges are laid in the first port of call, as Canada has done in some cases..

You really should not discuss Maritime Law you are making a mess of it. Captains rule ships because unlike being on land, there must be a clear chain of command otherwise a boat can sink. It is no different then what goes on in the air with a pilot. Your analogy that they are dictators is with due respect dumb. Running a ship does not entail democractic meetings. There is a clear expectation when you join a crew there is no democracy, there is a chain of command. It saves lives. It is no different then the fact that armed forces or para-military forces like fire departments and police departments or paramedics or hospital emergency rooms have specific chains of command and procedures.

You are trying to make comparisons of situational management issues that are not even close.

[Rue]

With due respect to everyone this ganging up on Post It proves what? All you do is show you do not want to debate the issues. Can we all focus on the issues and not the person? Nyah nyah goo go stop. With due respect Postit, you have nothing to prove to these people who taunt you, nothing. I say it again, I respect everything you have said and defend it. Trying to impugn your reputation is what people do when they do not wish to debate. I am afraid the anonimity of the nature of forums makes certain people feel it easier to sound tough and accuse others. Let us all cool it. I for one am sick and tired of the moderators having to do this nasty job when we all know better. We all should just cool it. Can y'all discuss the legal issues. If you don't understand them ask.

I genuinely try when people discuss the legal issues, to address them. The problem is most of the aboriginal rights posts end up racial taunts against aboriginals. If you think you have a legal issue argue it without insulting aboriginal people. Should Postit refrain from it as well-yes but with due respect you fling poo poo it comes back in your face. Stop with the poo poo flinging. We know baboons do this when they are upset. So do other simeons. Surely we can evolve past that.

Edited November 30, 2007 by Rue

[AngusThermopyle]

So you're fine with blatant outright lies Rue?

Thats your choice. I for one do not being lied to, when the lies involve something I feel strongly about I must take exception. For this person to impugn the honour and character of serving members then claim to have been one, well, thats just over the line.

How bout I claim to be Jewish, then turn around and slag all Jews, you cool with that?

most of the aboriginal rights posts end up racial taunts against aboriginals.

Read the thread again. The one tossing insults around isn't myself or White Doors. Open your eyes and for one moment try to see reality, not your unrealistic idealistic view of...well...everything.

If you're offended I apologise but I've just spent five hours outside in minus twenty weather unloading a building and am in no mood to tolerate the kinder gentler set at this moment.

Edited November 30, 2007 by AngusThermopyle

[DogOnPorch]

kengs333: Actually much of the modern training for infantry tactics originated with German sturmtruppen tactics during the First World War, which the Germans further refined during the Second World War to accomodate a more fluid battlefield. Everything else has been a modification of that basic theory.

100% agreement.

I'm an anthropologist and have been known to write a report or two on the history of war and the human response for ~some~ Armed Forces.....if you know what I mean.

Really? The "tool of colonialism"?

What's your opinion on anthropology these days? Should it be a science or a humanity course/field? Is the holistic approach still valid? Try to answer without refering to me as a racist...hahaha.

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The outcome of any serious research can only be to make two questions grow where only one grew before.

---Thorstein Veblen

[no queenslave]

Stick to the debate. Racist taunts only belittle yourself.

Did you know that the government paid for scalps and it was a law still on the books till they recently woke up. So the canadian government had a racist law; nothing new.

[Wild Bill]

Did you know that the government paid for scalps and it was a law still on the books till they recently woke up. So the canadian government had a racist law; nothing new.

Exactly! Nothing new! That time in history was far more racist than today, at least for western society. Today the most racist man I ever met was a Hindu. The way he treated his employees was a total shock for an old Canadian hippy like me.

Cavemen dragged their women by the hair. What's that got to do with us today? Should modern males issue apologies and pay compensation?

(Actually, if you asked my wife... )

[no queenslave]

Exactly! Nothing new! That time in history was far more racist than today, at least for western society. Today the most racist man I ever met was a Hindu. The way he treated his employees was a total shock for an old Canadian hippy like me.

Cavemen dragged their women by the hair. What's that got to do with us today? Should modern males issue apologies and pay compensation?

(Actually, if you asked my wife... )

That is why we need a new constitution ; not and old colonial act pretending it's our constitution. Time to forget the past and plan for the future .

[Borg]

Well, since you're wrong ~again~, I would suggest that you talk to US Special Ops. About 1 in 10 of the trainers are native. As well, in Canada native peoples have enlisted in the Armed Forces in greater proportion than any other ethnic group. And you wonder why our government is so afraid of the Mohawks....?

Gotta' wave the BS flag unless you can prove it.

Spent a pile of time training with US Spec Forces over the past two to three years. Mainly in Bragg, Biggs, Bliss, Hood, Rucker and Yuma. Plus a few others that escape me at writing.

Never saw one indian.

Lots of blacks, Mex's, and a whole bunch of white guys. All laying it on the line for their country.

You on the other hand seem to be spreading a line. What are you doing for your country?

Did meet one guy in Dugway who said he had some Cherokee in him - but as he also admitted - everyone in the US likes to claim the "mystique" - because no one can prove it - and for that matter no one has to prove it - no special status for the indian in the Army or on the street - just another citizen as far as he was concerned.

He claimed it due to some relative in the late 1800's shacking up on a reservation some where - but that was all he knew. Real blue eyes and blonde hair to boot. His last name was Scandanavian - not to be reproduced here.

In the Canuck military? Well, there are probably about a hundred or so indians in total - out of a million population? Pretty big percentage. Not.

Mostly from the western part of Canada.

Doing their job and not asking for special status. Probably doing a darned fine job and proud of it.

I suspect the East Indian and Blacks have you well beaten - and they are good at their job - quiet and solid citizens who serve with pride and honour. See them on every base and post in Canada.

As for fearing the mowhawk? Hardly - a figment of your wild imagination.

Unless you want to talk about those on the reservation that fear their own bretheren due to lawlessness and criminal activity. All because of something that happened long before any of us were even thought of. I suppose any excuse will do in a pinch.

No wonder most of the Canuck population ignores the indian today. In general they have lost the support of the public and in fact are nothing more than a nuisance.

Perhaps they should look at their bretheren that are actually serving their country? Those guys and gals are the real deal and have the right to be proud of themselves. Great examples need to be followed rather than not.

So posit - Rather than puff out your chest and spread what I believe to be manure - put up the proof about U.S. Spec Forces and the Canuck forces.

Borg

[Fain]

Wait a minute. The First Nation did have their own nation till the English and French came and took it away from them, like the invasion of Iraq! Haven't you watched on the TV the "History of Canada"????? Alot of us who are non-native may not like that statement, but its the truth so let be fair.

Oh yeah, they did have their own nation 200 years ago. Get to the Present bud and start there. I have as much right to this place as them. I'm also native to this land but not an aboriginal.