Taliban controlling most of Afghanistan, not losing

[Army Guy]

Army Guy, I feel your pain. I understand what you're saying, it is injustice. The avaerage "Joe" is politically complacent, satisfies with simple things in life. A bottle of beer, a hockey game. The war is just another story in the papers. As long as the belly is full and we are thoroughly entertained, most could not care less about real news and politics.

Perhaps it is the Army mentality that comes out every once in awhile, whinniers and complainers are weak...soldiers that whine and complain are chastised, and are told Don't whine and complain unless you come up with a solution to the problem....anything else is a waste of air and effort...

There is also a culture, especially seen in US news and other media, that if you are anti-war and speak out about it, if you display your opposition to the war you are un-patriotic. Villified, even in some places. The anti-war movement is castrated by media propaganda that says, "You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists". So its another reason there is no outcry against the politicians, who daily reassure us that everything is going well and all is taken care of. The message, Don't worry about it, leave this to us. And remember to buy. Buy and be happy.

I've reminded myself and my troops of this very fact on many occasions. It is one of the basic rights we are employed to protect and preserve. freedom of speach and freedom of thought. and for those that are using those freedoms i applaud you, in fact i encouage you to express yourself until your heard...regardless of what other might say or do...standing up for your believes is an admirable quality don't you think..

Much more than allowing someone to heard the population like sheep, into some dark corner to have there "skirts" raised above thier heads and be given dictation or what ever our government gives out today.

I guess my piont is Canadians although they have the right to whine, and complain ....it really needs to be earned does it not....want to bitch and moan then atleast have the bulls balls to do something about it....

With the support of the people ,our present government would have no problems driving home purchases that could and would save dozens of soldiers lifes....but as it stands they are reluctant because it would mean thier jobs or lack of support....

a demand for our return well, we'd be home until the next mission and would buy us some time to reorg and regroup...either way our soldiers win...but someone has to speak.. speak and squezze.

[myata]

Why? Too feeble minded do you think? Are they just too violent? Or do you think that they would rather kill their opponets than debate them?

Oh my, it's really hard getting it, is it? Really, it's you who's thinking that "they are .. feeble minded and so on". All I'm saying is that if the democracy is what they really want, they'd sure be able to get it without us (US) sticking our long nose into their affairs and teaching them how they should live.

Edited November 27, 2007 by myata

[trex]

More evidence that all is not going as well as we are being lead to deceive-

Poll indicates Afghan support for NATO plummets, but Canadian minister rejects it

OTTAWA - Canada's international development minister took issue with a new poll Monday that suggests Afghans are increasingly critical of the war in their country.

The survey - conducted for ABC News, the BBC and the German public TV station ARD - suggested that Afghans overwhelmingly prefer the government of President Hamid Karzai to the Taliban. But they also believe that government should negotiate with the Taliban to end the war.

The poll found that in southwestern Afghanistan, support for NATO-led forces has plummeted to 45 per cent this year, from 83 per cent a year ago. According to the survey, the biggest complaint is the rising number of civilian casualties. Last year, 81 per cent of residents in the southwest said the Taliban had "no significant support at all." Now, only 52 per cent say so. 60 per cent said Karzai's government should negotiate a settlement in which Taliban leaders would be allowed to hold political office in exchange for laying down their arms.

The survey firm Polltakers conducted 1,377 face-to-face interviews with Afghans in all of the country's 34 provinces. The poll was the third survey in Afghanistan sponsored by ABC News and media partners, and was conducted between Oct. 28 and Nov. 7. It has a three percentage point margin of error.

Bev Oda, the minister responsible for the Canadian International Development Agency, dismissed the findings of the survey, which suggested support for NATO has plummeted the last year and the Taliban is growing in strength.

But Senator Joseph Day questioned whether progress is being held up more by corruption within the Afghan government than by ineptitude on the part of CIDA.

Karzai said last month that he has had increasing contact with Taliban leaders in exile.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/071203/...nal/afghan_poll

[Topaz]

One of the info websites about this war is over on www.skyreporter.com Art Kent, was over there living and on his website he has Afghanis replying to some of the comments on there. They know the government is corrupt and want their President to do something about. The don't want their country to ended up like Iraq, destroy be on belief! I've read for the last month the Taliban is taking over more area and I read that the terrorists that were in Iraq are coming into Afghanistan. So that being said, and if NATO doesn't get anymore help. do we keep our guys there until they all die?? I really really hope Harper doesn't do that!! Has NATO put itself in a corner with this war??

[myata]

If the situation turns into more or less clear internal conflict (Karzai government vs Taleban), Canada and NATO will have no business there. The only question is whether it's already reached this point.