The New Improved Cannabis Poll

[Amazing Atheist]

Ypu are completely wrong and you quote things that you know nothing about. The studies that the pot heads seem to always to quoting are ones where scientists were searching for Medicinal use of the drug.

I never quoted anything I am weighing in on the evidence as a person who not only believes in scientific method but practices them.

I am not completely and you have yet to prove me wrong on anything I've said. Most of the studies I have seen in regards to harm have not been studies regarding medical uses or potential medical uses but to determine the amount of harm done to the body.

They never have looked at the long term affects of abuse. They will also state that there are obvious problems with the build up over time with daily use, that cause mental and co-ordination problems.

They have looked at the long term effects of Cannabis.

I will not deny that it is all cut an dry as Cannabis does contain a carcinogen which is benzine. This could potentially cause lung cancer. While at the same time the plant has also been proven to have anti-carcinogens.

The only negative long term effect that has been proven is Bronchitis.

Cannabis has never killed a single person and many people have smoked it for years or ingested it have not suffered permanent brain damage. You would be surprised at who uses Cannabis and yet have suffered no brain damage or at least the damage you specify.

As someone who has smoked for years on a daily basis and an artist which requires great coordination and mental concentration I can assure you I function as well today as I did 10 years ago when I started using.

But they never did their studies for the purpose that you and others quote them, and you only quote them in part, because the whole studies which have hundreds of pages and conclusions, do not sit well with your arguments. If you have never seen a pot head burn out before then you are just kidding yourself.

Burning out is a term used to describe the coming down from a Cannabis high. Yes I know what burning out is because I 'burn out' all the time. You just merely get a little tired is all.

I have read through endless pages regarding Cannabis and it's effects and many of the studies do sit well with my arguments despite what you may or may not believe.

See what pot does to people even with mild use, it makes them think they are not affected by it, and anyone who is must have some other mental deffect. Well you only need to look around and see what can happen after these people go to rehab and after years get some life back. They may even drink some, but in moderation.

A psychological addiction is in most cases determined by the person and events in their lives coupled with their personalities. If Cannabis or Alcohol were physically addictive then everyone who used them would like 80% of the time be addicted. Heroin and Cocaine are different because their chemical make up makes your body dependent on them.

There are no physical withdraw symptoms associated with Cannabis like with hard drugs. Science has established that there are two types of addiction psychological and physical.

That just blows the shit out of your addictive personality now does it not. When I was young I smoked pot and all it ever did was put me to sleep. It was not very great and I never saw the need for. The same can be said for my drinking as I pretty much gave that up after university. I now have a drink maybe 5-6 times a year, and maybe more when travelling in the carribean. But that is it. I used to smoke but also gave that up. So am I an unaddicting personality?

No you were never addicted physically or psychologically.

I use Cannabis because I like it's effects, you obviously did not agree with it's effects so you stopped.

There in psychological terms though is a such thing a non addictive personality and this yes is the category you would be put into. Not everyone is the same though.

I could live without pot and I do from time to time and every time I do it's no big deal I just don't think about it.

As I said earlier that this pole does not ask any of the questions other then what a pot head wants to hear, and is geared that way.

There is an option to vote for keeping it illegal.

Legalise for 30 grams to be bought from goverment grown pot, and taxed 50%. Anyone caugght with black market pot, should be charged and fined $500 for first offence and go up from there.

This is impossible, people like me who have one or two lights and make our own supply will never be caught. The government has also proven that they cannot grow pot efficiently or safely for that matter.

No one would buy it either as the variety would suck.

The same laws regarding tobacco should be used. Those who want to grow for personal supply can and if you want to grow industrially you need authorization from the government.

If above 30 grams then criminal record and all the law will allow should be taken into play as the judge sees fit. Why is that type of option not in the header for the vote?

The only people who carry around 30 grams are usually drug dealers. I mean that's quite abit of pot. Besides such a law could not be enforced for the amount of people who use pot anyway.

You either completely legalize it with rational regulation or you criminalize it as it is now. It is clear that criminalization has not and will not work so that leaves one option. The government could never meet the demands of the consumers which is why personal grows need to exist and why private enterprise need to be in the loop... Plus it creates more jobs etc.

[shavluk]

Outside of your misinformed view on the cowardly ndp , that I have invested a great deal of time and cash and effort into ,well , I thank you for your help at this site.

It would be great if you were in fact not dana although you write just like him.

One thing though,,,,30 grams is not a lot of cannabis,,that's an ounce.

A small can of cashews (my real addiction) is 275 grams for gods sake.

Its like saying you can only have one 26 ounce bottle of alcohol at a time.

Well myself ,I vary what I drink or I like a selection.

If I carry a bag of 2 unopened 26 ounce bottles because one is for me and one is for the Nun next door its no ones business.

Lets deal with the actual act of selling please people,,,,

its not enough to just have enough on you that someone causes you grief as a dealer.

The act of selling it is where it starts.

Not difficult to prove either.

If its not illegal though no one in my group has to share or deal as they can pay $10 for their own ounce.

Myself I would have a variety of different strains on hand like batches of wine.

Not one used up before the rest as well used.

What I have in my home is my business,,,the act of selling for a business is another matter and we have liquor stores for that.

I just want the Raid covered cannabis to stop being found.

[buffycat]

Shavluk, please stop insulting people. Even if you disagree with them, when you start calling names and tossing smears around it only diminishes your side of the arguement. IOW - please stop being so antagonistic!

If you cannot refrain from acting in such a manner, then kindly butt out of this thread. You told me to start my own thread. So I did. You are welcome as any other member, to post in it. But cut out the blatent insults towards other posters who don't share your view. It is counterproductive and simply bad manners.

[buffycat]

First, thank you to all who have voted and posted in this thread.

While I note that perhaps the poll questions themselves could have encompassed a greater array of possible scenarios - I tried to keep it short and simple.

Decriminalisation is a concept which a grossly misunderstood (hence the 'black market supply' in the choices). Decriminalisation, as stated by Amazing Athiest, only involves a misdemeaner charge - IOW supply of cannabis will still be controlled by the black market (read: criminals). Hence, decrim is NOT a solution to the problems associated with prohibition. One either endorses a climate of corruption (prohibition) or one does not.

For an interesting read:

LAW ENFORCEMENT: CORRUPTING INFLUENCE OF DRUG PROHIBITION

The article is written by the brother of Howard Wooldridge, a retired officer and member of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP).

I would urge all of those here who have posted in support of the current 'War on Some Drugs' to please read the article above, and follow the link to the LEAP website. These men and women have seen the dark side of this, as police and law enforcement personelle - please read what they have said. There are also audio files there, I highly recommend all the interviews with Jack Cole (an amazing and brave man!).

This is a problem with effects SO many lives. There ARE better solutions.

It's time to take our collective heads OUT of the SAND!!!

[Drea]

Amazing I wasn't refer to the week-end reefers or recreational users, I was directly rebuttaling his pot induced illusions of grander.

There.

The bolded part of this statement proves that you have never been around a person who has smoked just pot. The LAST thing a person who is high on pot wants is grandeur! One becomes more careful after smoking... paranoid actually. Not paranoid on the level of a schizophrenic, but paranoid enough not to have "grandoise" thoughts and actions.

Your nephew is not just smoking weed, he is more than likely doing crack. He probably covers it up by saying "I only smoke pot", and you believe him?

I've stated before I don't think it should be a criminal offense but a finable offense if you are caught with amounts that equate personal use.

I would like it if I didn't have to support organized crime. But alas, the government still has it's head stuck up its arse and does not realize that legallizing it would put the criminals out of business.

I have a nephew who uses pot daily please don't partonize me with it "Isn't harmful", this kid use to be a genius and he's now a babbling idiot. He's only 26 and he lives for his next puff, pot like alcohol if abused is harmful.

I am in middle age and have smoked it for over half my life. I go to work, volunteer, etc.

My admitting that probably "induces" you believe that I am high as soon as I wake up. (government-propaganda-brainwashed folks such as yourself always believe that pot smokers get up in the morning, light a joint and then go on a "refer madness" spree)

I usually smoke one in the evening after the supper dishes are all done, just like some people I know that have a nice glass of wine to unwind.

Edited November 4, 2007 by Drea

[geoffrey]

Pot itself is not physically addictive he suffers from his own psychological addiction to the drug.

"Cigarettes are not addictive and they do not cause cancer. Our product is safe!"

[Drea]

"Cigarettes are not addictive and they do not cause cancer. Our product is safe!"

That is what the tobacco lobby said. There is no "marijuana lobby" paid to find the product "safe". There is, however, a lobby that lies to you about it. (refer madness and all that)

Geoffrey, you really should take it from people who know. The people who know are the ones who actually smoke the stuff.

I can go without weed with no physical withdrawl symptoms. As pot is illegal in this country, it is sometimes very hard to find, so many times we are without any supply. No big deal.

Cigs on the other hand -- I would walk through a blizzard to the store to buy it; I would collect butts off the street (ewww but I would do it!)... I would do pretty much anything to get my cigarettes.

LOL I figure the only way I could ever quit cigarettes is to be put on a deserted island somewhere for six months.

Edited November 4, 2007 by Drea

[buffycat]

"Cigarettes are not addictive and they do not cause cancer. Our product is safe!"

"Tim Horton's coffee is not addictive and it does not cause the shakes. Our product is safe"

"Vioxx and Celebrex have no adverse side effects. Our product is safe"

"Flouride has no adverse side effects. Our product is safe."

"Prozac is wonderful. Our product is safe."

"DDT is a miracle. Our product is safe."

And your point was?

Edited to add:

In all seriousness.. did you visit the LEAP site? What were your thoughts - if you did? I'd be curious to hear your counteragruements to their appeal.

Instead of quip little 'comical' lines why not address the actual issue?

Is that so hard?

Edited November 4, 2007 by buffycat

[old_bold&cold]

I am going to post a link here just to show to those who say that Pot is not a problem and is not addictive in any way. Be patient because my arguement is with in this link, but not just what many will think about So here is the link:

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html

Once you have downloaded that link and read it, I want you to scroll down to the end of it where the list of contributing authors is listed and numbered etc. In this list you will see many things eg.

1 Results from the 2004 National Survey on Drug Use and Health: National Findings (Office of Applied Studies, NSDUH Series H–27, DHHS Publication No. SMA 05–4061). Rockville, MD, 2004. NSDUH is an annual survey conducted by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration. Copies of the latest survey are available from the National Clearinghouse for Alcohol and Drug Information at 800-729-6686.

2 These data are from the annual Drug Abuse Warning Network, funded by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, DHHS. The survey provides information about emergency department visits that are induced by or related to the use of an illicit drug or the nonmedical use of a legal drug. The latest data are available at 800-729-6686 or online at www.samhsa.gov.

3 These data are from the 2005 Monitoring the Future Survey, funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse, National Institutes of Health, DHHS, and conducted annually by the University of Michigan’s Institute for Social Research. The survey has tracked 12th-graders’ illicit drug use and related attitudes since 1975; in 1991, 8th- and 10th-graders were added to the study. The latest data are online at www.drugabuse.gov.

4 Herkenham M, Lynn A, Little MD, Johnson MR, et al. Cannabinoid receptor localization in the brain. Proc Natl Acad Sci, USA 87(5):1932–1936, 1990.

5 Rodriguez de Fonseca F, et al. Activation of cortocotropin-releasing factor in the limbic system during cannabinoid withdrawal. Science 276(5321):2050–2054, 1997.

6 Diana M, Melis M, Muntoni AL, et al. Mesolimbic dopaminergic decline after cannabinoid withdrawal. Proc Natl Acad Sci 95(17):10269–10273, 1998.

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16 Zhu LX, Sharma M, Stolina S, et al. Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol inhibits antitumor immunity by a CB2 receptor-mediated, cytokine-dependent pathway. J Immunology 165(1):373–380, 2000.

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If you look at #7 it is about Maijuana triggering myocardial infaction in a person. This will show you that yes there have been deaths attributed to pot. In fact if you follow thru the lkisted credit you will find reports that do directly list cases where pot has caused heart problems and deaths. But of course to those who do not wish have this known never bother to do indepth research in to these.

#37 is all about treating mrijuana dependence, and how it is that poeple do get hooked. It is not the same as heroine or crack, but it does show that 1,000's are seeking treatment every day in rehab environments. So while there may be a vast number of smokers who can walk away at any time, there also are a large number who can't.

I will not go through all of these, as it would really take a long long time. But what I am saying is is all the info that you see posted for and against pot, you will find that most of the pot side forget to lists all the contributing authors, and when done, they cherry pick who to list, and sometimes do list all of them. if you take the time to research all of these you will find that there are no noteworthy studies to support pot use as harmless. In fact as you see in the list here are studies by rehab facilities and hospitals that see the end products of long abuse.

So to those who can smoke on the weekends and have fun and not harm anyone, that is great for you. But even you have seen the pothead burnouts around, and just because you are not like them, that is no reason to deny their existence. In fact I think you should at least acknowledge that these are possible results even if they are not the results for your own usage. It is funny that I read some where that 45% of all drug rehab in the USA are due to pot. I find that hard to believe, and I was surprised when I saw this was reorted by several sources. I was not all that interested in it at that time, but it does make one think, that maybe there is more to that then meets the eye, but since I am not in the rehab business, I will have to say I give it credit with some reservations.

But to make a short story longer, I feel that is people did more then just read the quick slanted fact sheets put out, and researched more, then you would have better understanding of what all this really means, and less misinformation will come about.

[buffycat]

old bold and cold,

I think you are missing the point of this thread. Whether Cannabis is a 'problem' or not, is the current method working?

Put the differences aside and really think about that question.

Once you have done that, you may well be surprised at what you see.

Drug abuse, and I use the word 'abuse' on purpose, is rampant whether one considers 'legal' drugs or 'illegal'. Some people simply have problems.

The questions boils down to: Is drug addiction, by definition, a health issue or a criminal one?

Did you, Old Bold and Cold visit the LEAP site? If so, please let us know what you thought. If you read the article posted above, written by a long time police officer, what did you think of how corruption takes place during times of prohibition laws?

You site all these studies which ask leading quesions. IOW the question is dictating the outcome. It may well be that there are harms associated with Cannabis use, but then there are harms associated with all other things we put in and do to our bodies, yet so many of them are deemed 'legal'. There exists a dichotomy.

[old_bold&cold]

I have not visited the Leap site that I can remember, but I will take a look. I am pointing out though that many of the so called pot is harmless people, that pot is in no way harmless. It may well have a use for some in the medicinal world as a masking agent, for some ill effects of some other disease. It is and never will be a cure for anything. I also pointed out about the real nature of why we see the cannibnoid recpetors and how it is just a short way to say a group of receptors that process cannibis, but they are not only processing that only and that is why they can not be simply blocked. I guess what I am really trying to say is that most of everything you have seen from both sides is propaganda, and the truth is in finding the real facts in the small print.

I do not care if pot was decriminalized for possession under 30 grams, and fines for that. If they go to legalize then tax at 50% and government licensed growing only allowed. Your pole does not have those options. If you truly wanted to do a poll that is valid you would have all option and circumstnces listed. That way people would have things closer to which they feel and vote for. I have said before pot only make me sleepy, no matter what I never got the muchies. Others had much different reactions.

I guess I might be still reacting to the shavluk type personalities, in my posting, only because I think him a terrible poster boy for anything. So yes I will take a look at this leap site and get back to you as to how I feel about it.

[buffycat]

Cigs on the other hand -- I would walk through a blizzard to the store to buy it; I would collect butts off the street (ewww but I would do it!)... I would do pretty much anything to get my cigarettes.

LOL I figure the only way I could ever quit cigarettes is to be put on a deserted island somewhere for six months.

Drea - they say tobacco, with all its additives, is harder to quit than heroin.

[buffycat]

Old,Bold and Cold:

Thanks. I am curious to hear what you think. I know some 'old school' police officers and they wholeheartedly agree with LEAP's mission - in fact one of them joined because of my mentioning it to him.

I look forward to your (hopefully unbiased) view of their opinions.

Jack Cole is certainly worth listening too - easier than reading a huge amount of text!

[old_bold&cold]

I have visited the leap site and read many of the facts that they say about the war on drugs. The one thing that I find that they do not address is what I say is the most telling of them all is the question: out of all those that have been put in jail and therefore increased our incarceration numbers, how many are there because they had 30 grams or less in their possession at the time of arrest? I suspect that the number would be very small to be almost minuscule in the whole picture of things.

Now that being said, then begs the question of how many of the people incarcerated are in for crimes just about pot? This means growing and selling and all that entails, but just for pot and no other drug. Again I would think that this would be a much larger number then those for simple possession of 30 grams or less, but not so large that it would be a large part of the total prison population.

Now following that line of thought, how many of these other are in jail for crimes with harder drugs, but without any violence involved in there crime? This would be those who were caught making or selling drugs like ecstasy, speed etc but did not use violence in the act of doing so. To make it easier to picture call them non-violent drug offenders.

How many were addicts who committed violent crimes to get money to pay for drugs? This will be a very large number, and one which I think most people would not want released under any circumstances.

I think from this point onward most people would agree that there should be little or no consideration of them for crimes they committed. I think that the small number of non-violent drug offenders that society might consider taking a risk on, will not change the numbers of those incarcerated by very much, and what the Leap site does not say is that to legalize all drugs and offences will put the worst of the worst back on the streets, to do much nastier crimes. While I can see in part what they are saying, I also have to say that there is no way that society will allow that to happen. If they start first with an effort to decriminalize small amounts for possession only, it may stand a chance. But to seek more then that today with attitudes being what they are, there is no way that legalization of small quantities, would go over well, but decriminalization first, and much later legalization may stand a chance. This is a time where society will tolerate small nibbles at its standards and laws, but bites and others will just get a resounding slap right back to the idea. If going ahead with legalization and taxation were to be presented in a way where it then was strong against anything beyond, may be a trade off for the two things. But that would be pushing the envelope, and it would be quite some time later before anything further could be ask for.

Now to address the issue of whether addiction is a mental health issue or a criminal issue, I will have to say that the cure for it is mental health issue, of course. But to say it in and of its self is a mental health issue, I say no it is not. If we allow this thinking then all murders are mental health issues as well, as no sane mind would think in any way to take a life. Child molesters would be the same as no sane person would ever would to have sex with a child. It is a very slippery slope when it comes to forgive acts because they are mental health issues. I guess it comes down to does the person who commits the crime know what he is doing is a crime? Even the most driven addict knows he is about to break the law to get the money for his fix. That does not then give him a pass on his crime. What of the father, who robs a bank to get money to feed his family, is he also to be forgiven? I should think not. It may at best be a mitigating factor, but never should it be an issue for breaking the laws. Pot users know that as it stands today they are breaking the law and if caught there will be punishment. If it was for simple possession (under 30 grams ) even today, they would receive a fine and a criminal record. The only thing that most dislike is the criminal record. That does infringe on many things in life and yes it can be pardoned after some years have passed. For those where they say it will affest their employment goes, if you do not have the record, but your employer asks you if you use pot, and you say no, then you are again falsifying documents. That is one thing where it does hinge on the right of your employer to know who he is hiring. If these people claim that most do not care, then his employer might be more understanding of it, but his insurance may not be so. That is why I say nibbles may be allowed now, but we are not ready for a whole bite.

I will say this for the Leap site, they do make a compelling case for alternatives in some laws, but I feel they are going too far too fast for any of it to happen at this time. But in time yes I feel much of what they want will come, just over a very long period.

[capricorn]

Cigs on the other hand -- I would walk through a blizzard to the store to buy it;

Done that.

I would collect butts off the street (ewww but I would do it!)...

Out of economic necessity, my mother used to collect her cig butts and use the leftover tobacco and roll another cig with tobacco paper.

LOL I figure the only way I could ever quit cigarettes is to be put on a deserted island somewhere for six months.

Black market cig sellers would find you. They do use boats, you know.

Edited November 4, 2007 by capricorn

[capricorn]

I massacred my last post's quotes but Drea will understand. I was having a nicotine fit at the time.

[Drea]

capricorn

I wish I would've never had that first cigarette.... I quit when I was a teen but went back after only 6 months... I've tried to quit a few times but I guess I'm just not motivated enough.

With regard to cannabis... I have smoked it on and off for close to 20 years and trust me, one can easily go without weed.

Edited November 5, 2007 by Drea