no queenslave Posted October 12, 2007 Report Posted October 12, 2007 A sovereign land area and sovereign independent people who are not slaves. When did Canadians meet these requirements?. Quote
AngusThermopyle Posted October 12, 2007 Report Posted October 12, 2007 Sorry NQ, I'm not really sure what your point is. Could you perhaps be a little less cryptic and elaborate somewhat? Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
no queenslave Posted October 13, 2007 Author Report Posted October 13, 2007 (edited) Sorry NQ, I'm not really sure what your point is. Could you perhaps be a little less cryptic and elaborate somewhat? What date did the people of CANADA GET THE RIGHT TO WRITE their own constitution? The BNA act is only a British bill borrowed by P.E.T. and imposed on us as our constitution. The two fraudulent attempts to fool the people into ratifying it as our constitution failed. Read the supreme court case which defined the powers of the bna act- referd to as the Lord nelson Hotel case. Edited October 13, 2007 by no queenslave Quote
Higgly Posted October 13, 2007 Report Posted October 13, 2007 What date did the people of CANADA GET THE RIGHT TO WRITE their own constitution? The BNA act is only a British bill borrowed by P.E.T. and imposed on us as our constitution. The two fraudulent attempts to fool the people into ratifying it as our constitution failed. Read the supreme court case which defined the powers of the bna act- referd to as the Lord nelson Hotel case. Link? I know I'd be the first one to give up brussels sprouts if the Queen told me to. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
AngusThermopyle Posted October 13, 2007 Report Posted October 13, 2007 I'll have to read that sometime I suppose, just not right now. It's Friday and I'm gonna relax and have a couple of beers instead. Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
no queenslave Posted October 13, 2007 Author Report Posted October 13, 2007 Link? I know I'd be the first one to give up brussels sprouts if the Queen told me to. some of us are mature enough to tell the queen to get lost; we no longer want to be her slave. Quote
Leafless Posted October 13, 2007 Report Posted October 13, 2007 some of us are mature enough to tell the queen to get lost; we no longer want to be her slave. Are you mature enough to realize the Queen has very little to do with Canada and if we are anyone's slave, it would be the prime minister of Canada who has more powers then President George W. Bush or the powers of a king. PM's for instance have served Quebec well for years in case you have not noticed without going to Canadians for anything, feeding their own political self interest, including the creation of the Charter. Quote
no queenslave Posted October 13, 2007 Author Report Posted October 13, 2007 Are you mature enough to realize the Queen has very little to do with Canada and if we are anyone's slave, it would be the prime minister of Canada who has more powers then President George W. Bush or the powers of a king. PM's for instance have served Quebec well for years in case you have not noticed without going to Canadians for anything, feeding their own political self interest, including the creation of the Charter. Their is not one thing the government does that is not in the name of the queen. If you are mature enough to think the queen has very little to do with Canada then are you mature enough to advocate for the government to do away with any and all reference to her? Quote
ScottSA Posted October 13, 2007 Report Posted October 13, 2007 Their is not one thing the government does that is not in the name of the queen.If you are mature enough to think the queen has very little to do with Canada then are you mature enough to advocate for the government to do away with any and all reference to her? My experience is that folks overly concerned with maturity are those under 15. What does "maturity" have to do with whether one wants a republic or constitutional monarchy? Quote
capricorn Posted October 13, 2007 Report Posted October 13, 2007 I want the traditional role of the Queen to remain intact just to piss off the Quebec separatists and the Bloc. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
no queenslave Posted October 13, 2007 Author Report Posted October 13, 2007 I want the traditional role of the Queen to remain intact just to piss off the Quebec separatists and the Bloc. and how does it piss of Quebec without pissing of the rest of Canadians?That is the worst reason for maintaining the queen. I am sure you can piss of Quebec without the queens help. Why do feel the need to piss of Quebec? Quote
no queenslave Posted October 13, 2007 Author Report Posted October 13, 2007 Why are currency bills issued in the name of the bank of Canada ; but government checks are not; not on any bank account? by the charter and it's equality provision then anyone should be able to issue checks on their name alone, without any bank account- but that has been done, but not well understood. Quote
capricorn Posted October 13, 2007 Report Posted October 13, 2007 and how does it piss of Quebec without pissing of the rest of Canadians?That is the worst reason for maintaining the queen. I am sure you can piss of Quebec without the queens help. Why do feel the need to piss of Quebec? no queenslave, I support our present system which includes the Queen, the GG, pomp and ceremony, the queen's image on our coins, and everything in between. The monarchy's role in Canadian affairs has been trimmed over the years, and rightly so. Yet, the politicians presently in office are not deserving of taking over what little remains of that historic role, no matter how insignificant it may appear to its opponents. I like the idea that Quebecers who work to break up our country see the Queen's image every day on the coins in their pockets. I mean, a lot of that coinage is made possible by the ROC so why not rub it in? I will be happy when they see the GG read the Throne Speech in the House of Commons. That will also rub them. My comment was made in jest but as you perceived, there was a much deeper meaning to it. Rule Britannia! Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
no queenslave Posted October 13, 2007 Author Report Posted October 13, 2007 My experience is that folks overly concerned with maturity are those under 15. What does "maturity" have to do with whether one wants a republic or constitutional monarchy? the ability to understand their difference. Quote
Leafless Posted October 13, 2007 Report Posted October 13, 2007 Their is not one thing the government does that is not in the name of the queen.If you are mature enough to think the queen has very little to do with Canada then are you mature enough to advocate for the government to do away with any and all reference to her? Obviously you don't understand, that it is the power factor why the Queen is retained in Canada and politicians choose to keep it that way. A republic would lessen the powers of a prime minister in Canada. Quote
M.Dancer Posted October 13, 2007 Report Posted October 13, 2007 I want the traditional role of the Queen to remain intact just to piss off the Quebec separatists and the Bloc. Good poin Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Leafless Posted October 13, 2007 Report Posted October 13, 2007 (edited) I want the traditional role of the Queen to remain intact just to piss off the Quebec separatists and the Bloc. Can you prove Quebec politicians really want to ditch the Queen and our constitutional monarchy? Canada has been a constitutional monarchy, since 1534, when the King of France claimed possession of what is now Canada. Obviously Quebec wants a constitutional monarchy. Edited October 13, 2007 by Leafless Quote
no queenslave Posted October 13, 2007 Author Report Posted October 13, 2007 Obviously you don't understand, that it is the power factor why the Queen is retained in Canada and politicians choose to keep it that way. A republic would lessen the powers of a prime minister in Canada. I understand very well why the government wants things to stay the way they are because it allows the government to be as corrupt as it wants- just like Sadam's former government ; you loose control and you hang.Corruption is so intrenched that even the municipal governments are passing laws ; saying they are in addition to any other legal remedy. If it is in addition to legal laws then it must be illegal. Quote
Leafless Posted October 13, 2007 Report Posted October 13, 2007 I understand very well why the government wants things to stay the way they are because it allows the government to be as corrupt as it wants- Which nullifies your point about the Queen. Quote
bk59 Posted October 13, 2007 Report Posted October 13, 2007 What date did the people of CANADA GET THE RIGHT TO WRITE their own constitution? The BNA act is only a British bill borrowed by P.E.T. and imposed on us as our constitution. The two fraudulent attempts to fool the people into ratifying it as our constitution failed. Read the supreme court case which defined the powers of the bna act- referd to as the Lord nelson Hotel case. When did we get the right to live? When did we get the right to express ourselves? When did we get the right to choose what our favourite colours are? Nothing you have said supports the title of this thread, including your post about the BNA Act. Perhaps you should look up the definition of slave. Just because the Queen is the head of state does not mean that we are slaves. Quote
no queenslave Posted October 14, 2007 Author Report Posted October 14, 2007 When did we get the right to live? When did we get the right to express ourselves? When did we get the right to choose what our favourite colours are? Nothing you have said supports the title of this thread, including your post about the BNA Act.Perhaps you should look up the definition of slave. Just because the Queen is the head of state does not mean that we are slaves. SLAVE-a person who is wholy subject to the will of another. One who has no fredom of action- Do you pay income taxes because you have too much money; or because you are told to by the queens control? Have you the freedom to pay no income taxes and the government in the name of the queen has no right to asses you ? When did you stop paying taxes; if you haven't you are a slave in denial. Everyone is born free. When you get an education instead of an indoctrination by the government school system you just might understand. Quote
no queenslave Posted October 14, 2007 Author Report Posted October 14, 2007 Which nullifies your point about the Queen. no it dont; you get rid of the queen and you get rid of her corrupt government. The people will have the chance to formulate a new constitution, instead of allowing a british bill which only purpose was to give the colonial government rules for governing her colony. Canada was a colony until the Statute of Westminster in 1931 gave the people and provinces their sovereignty[ but the corrupt politicians refused to give up power and assumed controll . Quote
bk59 Posted October 14, 2007 Report Posted October 14, 2007 SLAVE-a person who is wholy subject to the will of another. One who has no fredom of action- Do you pay income taxes because you have too much money; or because you are told to by the queens control? Have you the freedom to pay no income taxes and the government in the name of the queen has no right to asses you ? When did you stop paying taxes; if you haven't you are a slave in denial. Everyone is born free. When you get an education instead of an indoctrination by the government school system you just might understand. "One who has no freedom of action." Has the Queen been visiting you recently, telling you what to do and where to go? Has she, or anyone else, been forcing you to do manual labour of some sort? Do you honestly think that if the Queen was not our head of state we would have no taxes? I assure you, we would have taxes no matter what type of government was in place in Canada. Here is something else to ponder: most people in Canada are willing to pay some level of taxes. Why? Because Canadians generally enjoy (among other government services) their healthcare and education systems and realize that it takes money to pay for that. (Please note, that does not mean that everyone will agree these systems are perfect, but it does mean that Canadians want some sort of system in place.) So if most people are willing to pay at least some taxes, isn't that democracy? The will of the majority and all that. Trying to paint the other person in a discussion as indoctrinated instead of educated is one of the first signs of a losing argument. Although I think that claiming the Queen has made you her personal slave probably wasn't the best way to start your "argument". Quote
Argus Posted October 14, 2007 Report Posted October 14, 2007 Having the Queen as head of Canada doesn't really bother most Canadians. That is why she will remain head of Canada. Because the few like you, who really care, are vastly outnumbered by the monarchists who really care. In the middle are that mass of indifferent Canadians who have better things to worry about. No Canadian government is going to piss off that great mass of monarchists and traditionalists to please a few radicals like you. Well, except maybe the NDP but they're never going to get the chance. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Pliny Posted October 14, 2007 Report Posted October 14, 2007 Queenslave, I believe you are one of the few who realizes the importance and role of the Queen in Canada. Most people don't really care. You have to realize the brilliance of what is the British Commonwealth. Yes, it is my opinion, we are being intentionally "not" informed about our governance and the global hierarchy but you can find out if you want. It is buried in plain sight. What portion of your taxes do you think the Queen gets? It has been pointed out that no government exists without taxation so conclusively, we are all slaves. Who would you prefer being a slave to? I agree with you that income should not be taxed and governments need to find methods of taxation that do not deprive one of the fruits of his labour and thus be a slave. That is what needs to be changed. Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
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