what canada is not- a democracy

[bk59]

the queen

Oh... the Queen helps people get elected and then tells them what to do once they are in office?

Wow. She must be good at multi-tasking. I mean, how many countries are in the Commonwealth?

[g_bambino]

Oh... the Queen helps people get elected and then tells them what to do once they are in office?

Wow. She must be good at multi-tasking. I mean, how many countries are in the Commonwealth?

53 in the Commonwealth, 16 of which, including Canada, with her as head of state. Oh, and don't forget her part in the provincial governments of Canada and the state governments of Australia. That means she's head of 35 governments, if you include the devolved parliaments of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Multi-tasking is putting it mildly.

The funny thing is, the Queen doesn't make no-queenslave a slave at all; (s)he is absolutely free to leave the Queen's dominion and live somewhere else. Though, I suspect (s)he'd be hard pressed to find some place where the people aren't "enslaved" as much, or more, than we subjects of Elizabeth II are.

[bk59]

53 in the Commonwealth, 16 of which, including Canada, with her as head of state. Oh, and don't forget her part in the provincial governments of Canada and the state governments of Australia. That means she's head of 35 governments, if you include the devolved parliaments of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Multi-tasking is putting it mildly.

The funny thing is, the Queen doesn't make no-queenslave a slave at all; (s)he is absolutely free to leave the Queen's dominion and live somewhere else. Though, I suspect (s)he'd be hard pressed to find some place where the people aren't "enslaved" as much, or more, than we subjects of Elizabeth II are.

35 governments you say? So the Queen is telling literally thousands of people what to do. She must have some form of mind control device. I can't think of any other way.

[M.Dancer]

figure head and fictitious queen with her black rod is all you need then enjoy.

I have a tradition of not filing income tax forms; if you think traditions are all the in thing; no complaining now slave.

Poor poor misguided fool......what will you say when your assets are siezed, when you are brought beofre the bench to plead?

[g_bambino]

35 governments you say? So the Queen is telling literally thousands of people what to do. She must have some form of mind control device. I can't think of any other way.

Yes, it's in her tiara.

[no queenslave]

Oh... the Queen helps people get elected and then tells them what to do once they are in office?

Wow. She must be good at multi-tasking. I mean, how many countries are in the Commonwealth?

She is just a owner of slaves who do the work

[ScottSA]

She is just a owner of slaves who do the work

My mother met my master...errrr...mistress...once, but I never have. I keep forgetting what her commands are...in fact I don't even remember her giving me any. Her and her black rod and stuff, I mean.

[no queenslave]

Slavery is not limited to chains & whips. But that does not mean that because you pay taxes you are a slave. You have the right to live where you want, work where you want, choose what career you will pursue. You have the right to go to school, to leave Canada entirely if you so choose. You have the right to marry, or not marry, to raise children, to practice whatever religion you want. You will not be shipped off to a labour camp, or subjected to secret police interrogations and disappearances in the night. You have the right to vote in an election or even run for office yourself. Do you see why I dispute claims that Canadians are slaves simply because they pay taxes? Especially given that in all likelihood most people would choose to pay some form of tax in order to receive certain government services.

When it comes to being tied into the laws of the land... no offense, but that's life. In every form of government ever attempted on this planet there have always been people in the minority who must abide by the will of the majority and / or powerful. We at least live in a country where minority rights are protected. Where if you feel strongly about government's role in our life you can join a political party and do something about it.

I guess my point boils down to this: if this is how you feel, then do you have a better suggestion about how to run this country? I do not claim that Canada is perfect (no country is). But I can think of places a lot worse than here. And I have no problem arguing with those who would characterize our society as a society of slaves.

what form of handout do you need; can't you support yourself? You are a slave in denial.

When you can earn a dollar and can spend it anyway you want without having to support the queen first ; then you can say you are no longer a slave, Don't file and pay federal income taxes and see if any of the queens slaves tries to make you pay her taxes. You say you willing do; that is because you are a willing slave. Just keep dreaming, that you are something else..

[g_bambino]

what form of handout do you need; can't you support yourself? You are a slave in denial.

When you can earn a dollar and can spend it anyway you want without having to support the queen first ; then you can say you are no longer a slave, Don't file and pay federal income taxes and see if any of the queens slaves tries to make you pay her taxes. You say you willing do; that is because you are a willing slave. Just keep dreaming, that you are something else..

So, I take it you're an anarchist? Or, do you just like living off of other people's money?

[no queenslave]

Poor poor misguided fool......what will you say when your assets are siezed, when you are brought beofre the bench to plead?

you poor misguided gimmy fool relying on others for your existance ; not able to make it on your own. Who will sieze my assets but the queen ; trying to make me her slave. If she has no slaves then why would someone seize someone elses assets? On what legal right? For what debt to who? Think about what you post next time.

[no queenslave]

So, I take it you're an anarchist? Or, do you just like living off of other people's money?

I am no anarchist; but i do not support the dictatorial corrupt government you seem to support. It is you and the corrupt government you support who want to live off of my money.When you were given your freedom by the Statute of Westminster what did you do with your sovereignty; and ability to to stop the corrupt colonial powers from continuing to govern, by using the figerhead of the queen?

[g_bambino]

I am no anarchist; but i do not support the dictatorial corrupt government you seem to support. It is you and the corrupt government you support who want to live off of my money.When you were given your freedom by the Statute of Westminster what did you do with your sovereignty; and ability to to stop the corrupt colonial powers from continuing to govern, by using the figerhead of the queen?

As you admittedly don't pay income taxes, you live more off other people's money - including mine - than I do off of yours. I'll assume you use the infastructure, healthcare, and a selection of the public institutions that the Queen pays for - theoretically - with our tax dollars.

That is: tax dollars paid to the Queen of Canada, thanks to the Statute of Westminster. No colonial governance anymore; please take off the powdered wig and ruffled blouse and join the rest of us in the 21st century.

Edited October 22, 2007 by g_bambino

[capricorn]

There appears to some paranoia here with regard to being a slave to the Queen. What we may be dealing with is a case of reincarnation. I have learned much about that topic on Rob McConnell's X-Zone radio show (a place where people can dare to believe and dare to speak). How else to explain it?

[no queenslave]

As you admittedly don't pay income taxes, you live more off other people's money - including mine - than I do off of yours. I'll assume you use the infastructure, healthcare, and a selection of the public institutions that the Queen pays for - theoretically - with our tax dollars.

That is: tax dollars paid to the Queen of Canada, thanks to the Statute of Westminster. No colonial governance anymore; please take off the powdered wig and ruffled blouse and join the rest of us in the 21st century.

Wrong again. You just admitted you are a slave of the queen. "No colonial governance anymore"

another lie. What changed as to who was governing us as a colony and the day after the passing of the Statute of Westminster-nothing.You are still governed by the same old colonial system and people. The canadian government is based on fraud of omission. Failure to allow the people of Canada to create and ratify a constitution of their choice. 2 attempts were made by the government to have the people ratify the BNA act as our constitution ; and both failed.

[no queenslave]

There appears to some paranoia here with regard to being a slave to the Queen. What we may be dealing with is a case of reincarnation. I have learned much about that topic on Rob McConnell's X-Zone radio show (a place where people can dare to believe and dare to speak). How else to explain it?

so now that you have learned much about how to be a queen slave enjoy your paranoia.

[g_bambino]

Wrong again. You just admitted you are a slave of the queen. "No colonial governance anymore"

another lie. What changed as to who was governing us as a colony and the day after the passing of the Statute of Westminster-nothing.You are still governed by the same old colonial system and people. The canadian government is based on fraud of omission. Failure to allow the people of Canada to create and ratify a constitution of their choice. 2 attempts were made by the government to have the people ratify the BNA act as our constitution ; and both failed.

So, I'm to understand that you don't use roads, healthcare, or any number of public institutions available to you?

Further, perhaps you've misunderstood (or never read?) the Statute of Westminster, but the day after it was passed the British government ceased to have control over Canada's domestic and international affairs; in essence, the country became independent. The Canada Act, 1982, finished the job. Therefore, look up the definition of "colony" to see how it no longer applies.

[no queenslave]

So, I'm to understand that you don't use roads, healthcare, or any number of public institutions available to you?

Further, perhaps you've misunderstood (or never read?) the Statute of Westminster, but the day after it was passed the British government ceased to have control over Canada's domestic and international affairs; in essence, the country became independent. The Canada Act, 1982, finished the job. Therefore, look up the definition of "colony" to see how it no longer applies.

You have no understanding of the facts. If as you stated their would of been no need for The canada act 1982.

Also check how the government got into the Canada pension plan, just another demonstration of no british law applied after 1931. I have 200 pages of facts, what have you but government propaganda.

[bk59]

what form of handout do you need; can't you support yourself? You are a slave in denial.

When you can earn a dollar and can spend it anyway you want without having to support the queen first ; then you can say you are no longer a slave

Well, I can't afford to build a highway by myself, but I do need to travel. I kind of like having health care, but I'm not sure that I could afford to build a hospital. Maybe things like infrastructure and health care aren't really handouts, but just things that responsible governments invest in? And since that takes money... I guess I am willing to pay some form of taxes.

Please show me how any of my tax money is going to support the Queen.

Who will sieze my assets but the queen ; trying to make me her slave. If she has no slaves then why would someone seize someone elses assets? On what legal right? For what debt to who? Think about what you post next time.

I am fully in support of the government seizing your assets if you live off of my tax money and contribute nothing yourself. The Queen doesn't need slaves to do that. Canadian citizens who do pay their taxes will gladly punish those who refuse to carry their load for no other reason than some paranoid delusion about the Queen controlling everyone. The debt is owed to those who do pay taxes.

I have 200 pages of facts, what have you but government propaganda.

By all means, please share them. This should be good reading...

[jbg]

I am no anarchist; but i do not support the dictatorial corrupt government you seem to support. It is you and the corrupt government you support who want to live off of my money.When you were given your freedom by the Statute of Westminster what did you do with your sovereignty; and ability to to stop the corrupt colonial powers from continuing to govern, by using the figerhead of the queen?

While you seem quite able to make destructive attacks on a well-functioning system, what do you envision to replace it?

[no queenslave]

While you seem quite able to make destructive attacks on a well-functioning system, what do you envision to replace it?

a well functioning corrupt system put in place by the wealthy as to how they want to govern you should be replaced by a democratic system with a constitution by the free sovereign people as to how they want to be governed.

[no queenslave]

Well, I can't afford to build a highway by myself, but I do need to travel. I kind of like having health care, but I'm not sure that I could afford to build a hospital. Maybe things like infrastructure and health care aren't really handouts, but just things that responsible governments invest in? And since that takes money... I guess I am willing to pay some form of taxes.

Please show me how any of my tax money is going to support the Queen.

I am fully in support of the government seizing your assets if you live off of my tax money and contribute nothing yourself. The Queen doesn't need slaves to do that. Canadian citizens who do pay their taxes will gladly punish those who refuse to carry their load for no other reason than some paranoid delusion about the Queen controlling everyone. The debt is owed to those who do pay taxes.

By all means, please share them. This should be good reading...

read the reply you got from the queen AS TO HER EXPLANATION AS TO how she does not get any benifit for the use of her name in any way in any connection to canada or the institutions and people of Canada. Can I use the name of the queen as authority for anything i do?

read Canada a country without a constitution. reading and understanding what you are reading apparently is not something you are capable of. How did the sovereign independent provinces and people creae a constitution as to how they wanted to be governed and when?

Edited October 23, 2007 by no queenslave

[no queenslave]

read the reply you got from the queen AS TO HER EXPLANATION AS TO how she does not get any benifit for the use of her name in any way in any connection to canada or the institutions and people of Canada. Can I use the name of the queen as authority for anything i do?

read Canada a country without a constitution. reading and understanding what you are reading apparently is not something you are not capable of. How did the sovereign independent provinces and people create a constitution as to how they wanted to be governed and when?

what document gave the government it's power to govern after the statute of westminster gave the provinces and people their independence and sovereignty? Quote the pages of the provincial record -hansard- in 1931 and 1932 as to how they dealt with their newly given independence. Maybe you can find a vote by the people in each province as to what they wanted ; as to how they wanted to be governed.

[no queenslave]

Well, I can't afford to build a highway by myself, but I do need to travel. I kind of like having health care, but I'm not sure that I could afford to build a hospital. Maybe things like infrastructure and health care aren't really handouts, but just things that responsible governments invest in? And since that takes money... I guess I am willing to pay some form of taxes.

Please show me how any of my tax money is going to support the Queen.

I am fully in support of the government seizing your assets if you live off of my tax money and contribute nothing yourself. The Queen doesn't need slaves to do that. Canadian citizens who do pay their taxes will gladly punish those who refuse to carry their load for no other reason than some paranoid delusion about the Queen controlling everyone. The debt is owed to those who do pay taxes.

By all means, please share them. This should be good reading...

you post just like government paid posters with your obsession of insisting everybody should support your corrupt government.read the lord nelson hotel case-The constitution belongs to the people and neither the federal or provincial governments alone or together can change it. What happened? Appointed corrupt judges. Over 7 billion to bring democracy to afganastan; but no democracy in canada, just dictatorship.

[jbg]

a well functioning corrupt system put in place by the wealthy as to how they want to govern you should be replaced by a democratic system with a constitution by the free sovereign people as to how they want to be governed.

The fact that you're able to make these posts on a Canadian board and (correctly) only fear ridicule and not violence or a threat to freedom shows that Canada is a free country.

[bk59]

no queenslave... did you just reply to your own post? You may want to slow down with the reply button.

read the reply you got from the queen AS TO HER EXPLANATION AS TO how she does not get any benifit for the use of her name in any way in any connection to canada or the institutions and people of Canada.

What reply are you talking about? I asked you to show how the Queen received any of my tax money. Now you are talking about benefit for the use of her name. Whatever that means.

How did the sovereign independent provinces and people creae a constitution as to how they wanted to be governed and when?

Why would we create something that we already have? How many political parties are crying out to write a new constitution? Perhaps this lack of public support for your ideas should tell you something. Canadians seem to be OK with the constitution we have.

what document gave the government it's power to govern after the statute of westminster gave the provinces and people their independence and sovereignty?

The same document that gave the government it's power before the Statute of Westminster - the Canadian constitution.

you post just like government paid posters with your obsession of insisting everybody should support your corrupt government.

Wait, the government has paid posters now? You mean, I could get paid for doing this? Sweet. Where do I sign up?

read the lord nelson hotel case-The constitution belongs to the people and neither the federal or provincial governments alone or together can change it.

Are you talking about the case called "Nova Scotia (Attorney General) v. Canada (Attorney General)" also named "The Attorney General of Nova Scotia, Appellant and The Attorney General of Canada, Respondent and Lord Nelson Hotel Company Limited, Intervenant" from the SCC in 1950? Cited as [1951] S.C.R. 31, [1950] 4 D.L.R. 369?

Because if so, you may have read more into this than is actually there. All it really says is that the federal government's powers are defined in s. 91 of the Constitution, the provincial governments' powers in s. 92 of the Constitution, and they cannot delegate any of their authority to the other. Feds are limited to s. 91. Provinces to s. 92. Even if they want to trade, they can't. It says nothing about how to change the Constitution.

So why exactly are you focusing on this case?

a well functioning corrupt system put in place by the wealthy as to how they want to govern you should be replaced by a democratic system with a constitution by the free sovereign people as to how they want to be governed.

OK... you think the current system is corrupt. You would replace it with a democratic system. But most people think this is a democratic system. How would your system differ from what we currently have?