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Let me think about it for a minute... Do you think the just wanted to meet people, because they're bored ??? (Nah) How about the lucrative paycheque at the end of the week ??? (Nah... unless of course they are desperate) How about, that's one of the only places you can get a job when you little education or skills.... or don't meet employment standards because you're past retirement age of have Down's syndrome.... and they'll give you a minimum wage paycheque...??? (if you're desperate).... P.S. Cybercoma: Despererate does not mean that you need to go pee... It means that you have very little alternative, because no-one else will hire you, and you really need some money to pay your bills... It's the basis of the "free market" or "fair market" or whatever you call it....

Gee, that's going to a bit of a surprise to H. Lee Scott Jr, President and CEO of Walmart who has spent 25 years at Walmart. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He's one of how many employees.... What percentage of employees don't have to wear that goofy blue top and say "How may I help you" ????

There is a big difference between medical care and education. One you go to a hospital for, and the other a school. However, if you go to a public hospital or a public school, it should be paid for through taxes. If you go to a private hospital or a private school, it should be paid for from your private pocket. If the rich want to fly to Australia to have a kangaroo pouch put on their stomach, let them... but they should pay the entire cost... not one penny for public money should go towards it. Similarly, if they want to go to a private Hindu school in Sudbury, let's not stop them... but they have to pay the whole shot... we have a public system, and if they don't want to utilize it, they don't have to... nobody is forcing them to.... but the public should only pay for one universal system...

Having Walmart on your resume isn't exactly going to get you a fast-track path up the corporate ladder. In fact, a long stay at Walmart would make potential employers think of the candidate as a doormat. You'd have to be desperate to stay there... A step up to Zellers is a huge one...

The LCBO workers are not going on strike... However, their demands were for job security, not wages. Do you blame workers for wanting security ??

When you were little, and you found a bee's nest in the forest... didn't your mom or dad tell you not to touch it.... If you go poking at the beehive with a stick, the bees are going to come out and sting you. If you really want the honey, and do some serious damage to the beehive, you can bet them bees will be "mad as hornets" and will fly all over stinging anyone who comes (or came) near the nest.... Now Canada, (Paul Martin), lead by Hillier is saying "I'm coming to get you scumbag bees... you better watch out"... Well, the way I see it, the bees will see him coming, and want to sting him... The moral of the story is that if you poke at bees nests with sticks, expect to get stung.... And if you hang around with the guy with the stick, they might sting you too.... Coles Notes for Cybercoma: (Honey = Oil) (Bees nest = Middle East) (Hillier = bigmouth trying to attract bees)

I don't think they should ban private schools at all. If some wealthy person wants one of their children to be in a private system, they can pay the whole shot... and still pay for our public system on top. We shouldn't take a cent away from our public system to pay for or subsidize private schools. If the wealthy don't think that's fair, then they can send their kids to the public system....

Comparison of Efficiency of Private vs. Public A major part of the diference in efficiencies of the US system vs. the Canadian system is that the US has higher administrative costs. The US system has around 1500 private insurance companies. Each hospital has to devote enormous clerical, professional time and office space... often an entire hospital floor to the job of billing patients and collecting from insurance companies... which all offer different insurance plans... Often more than one insurance company is involved, and it is necessary to assess the amount of payment covered by each insurer, and that owed by the patient. In Canada, where the provincial government is the only inusurer, the processing of health claims is much less complicated, and less labour-intensive. Add the fact that private insurers take a profit out of their revenues.... In 1987, the administrative costs were beetween $400 and $497 per person (Woodlander & Himmelstien, New England Journal of Medicine, 1991). The equivalent cost in Canada came to $117 to $156 (US) per person. The (American) authors concluded "Reducing our administrative costs to Canadian levels would save enough money to fund coverage for all uninsured and underinsured Americans." In 1990, Blue Cross of Massachusetts, which provides coverage for 2.7 million subscribers, employed 6682 workers. By contrast, British Columbia managed to administer its health-care system for more than 3 million residents with a much leaner staff.... less than 1 fifteenth of the size.... 435 civil servants. Excerpt borrowed from Linda McQuaig's "The Wealthy Banker's Wife"

Let's explain it this way... You want a pie... You could go to the bakery and buy the pie, or you could get your mom to make it..... If your mom pays the same amount for her eggs and flour as the bakery does, and because you are a nice guy, you pay your mom for her time making the pie.... Which one is going to cost you more.... I'm not sure you'll get this one so I'll tell you... The bakery wants to make a profit... so they charge a few extra bucks. Now if you pay the bakery $8 for the pie, or you pay your mom $5 for the pie, which one is going to cost you more.... Now if you take the money out of your wallet to pay for the pie, one of your choices is going to leave you more money to buy whipped cream or whatever else you may need or want. Now, if you were to take this analogy and apply it to a health-care system, and you have to pay a profit to the private health-care provider, which one will take more out of the provincial wallet.... leaving less money for other people's health care services.....

Perhaps... but at least the NDP's policies are aimed at improving the lives of the citizens of Canada, rather than the mean-spirited goals of the Conservatives... Or the conservative fiscal policies of the current Liberals.... which don't care about sacrificing the poorer for corporate Canada.....

The American system has two tiers, where the poor are covered by medicaid.... So if you are one of the richer folk making more that $8/hour, you can pay for your own hip replacement..... ( and stop being a parasite on the hardworking taxpayers, right cybercoma ???)

The liberals have done it even this week... I don't think you remember all of the reports on the news of hospital wings being built that were not going to be staffed ... Unfortunately, the NDP hasn't been in power long enough for you to accuse them of such. (Note that the public health-care system would not be here at all if it weren't for the left.) I don't remember Mike Harris bending over backwards to help people on social assistance and the elderly.. (It seems awfully out of character for him to be helping this group of people that he spent most of his time villifying)

He put money into drugs and for the elderly did he... Your documentation (link) does not attest to that at all. These people who were on social assistance... were they the same people he cut assistance to by about 50%.... The one think that I do know he spent money on wasbuilding contracts.... They built a new emergency ward on University Hospital in London, Ontario, that they had no budget, nor plans to hire any staff for... There are many more examples... This is crookery.... So the books show that he spent more... on his pals with construction companies, he sure spent a lot of our health care dollars.... And people like you get sucked in every time....

Do you not consider firing 12,000 nurses "cutting the health care budget". Call me a lefty, but I sorta think that's cutting the health care budget.... Actually, in his last year, he did some serious spending on health care... He gave contracts to tear down wings of hospitals to construction companies that donated to the conservative party... and he gave contracts to build new wings on hospitals, again to construction companies that donated to the conservative party. but don't think that I'm just down on Conservatives... Dalton McGuilty's Liberals just made some announcments this week... but they weren't for doctors or nurses....

Did you mean "for smarter kids who are not restricted financially"? And Mulroney started cutting our health care... and cutting, and cutting, and the Conservative Liberal Prime Minister Paul Martin just continued doing the same kind of thing.

How about "because they are desperate. You have a perverse sense of humour....

It's not the jurisdiction, it's the colour of their stripes.... Conservative philosophies of not wanting to pay for the needs of the many seems to be the problem....

I don't know if you are familiar with people who quit smoking, but if you are, you might appreciate this analogy.... Saying that a two-tiered system will not hurt the public system is like saying that you're having "just one cigarette"....

I've told you a million times not to exaggerate.....

I beg to differ. We should not stop paying attention to it, especially when we have had a long run of conservatives trying to dismantle it... (whether by privatization or underfunding). The problem with funding our health care is not fiscal, it is political. Mike Harris can cut taxes by $14 Billion, and left a huge deficit, and huge cuts to health care. If he hadn't cut $14 billion, there wouldn't be such a problem, would there ???? If Paul Martin hadn't cut corporate taxes by $100 Billion, maybe he could give Ontario back a little more.... So we could afford to properly fund both health care and education. You are evidence for your argument for advancement of education... I agree that we need more money in public education, as Jack Layton has forced Paul Martin to do. But private schools are not public education. Private schools are for RICH PEOPLE ONLY... If wealthy families wish to send their children to private schools, that's fine... on their own dollar... We shouldn't subsidize them at all.

I must have missed something.... I don't think I heard her apologizing for anyone... I thought I heard her addressing Hillier's unprofessional conduct. Now Cybercoma, are we talking about the murderers and scumbags who attacked the World Trade towers, or the murderers and scumbags who have all the oil that the USA is after ??? or does it matter ????

Maybe she let George W Bush know what the majority of Canadians think of him... Maybe not politically correct, but then again, look who she's talking about...

And I note that you say your "old neighbourhood"... are you the anomoly ? Huh ???? Would you punish the thousands for the sins of the few ?? I'd rather have a safety that's there to protect millions of hard-working Canadians than take it away because a few people in your old neighbourhood use it as a hammock....

Do you mean like the employers in Mexico or Indonesia are able to determine whether workplaces are safe and wages adequate ???

Huh ??? The LCBO has been owned and operated by the province for a long time. The original reasons for provincial ownership have passed. But does that necessarily mean that it should be thrown away ??? It generates excellent revenue for the province, gainfully employs quite a number of people. The province and its population benefit from the current arrangement, probably a lot more than it would under your proposed arrangment. Hence, I don't (and neither does our government) see your arguments as good reason to dispose of the asset.