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And what everyone should be able to understand is that I don't buy it.

Thanks. Based on your description, I have to conclude that we do not live in the same city. I live in toronto. No more than most other North American big cities. I have never seen anyone one on the street in pyjamas, or in rags (except for homeless people, that is) And I have seen a lot of elderly people born here on the sidewalks. Oh the horror... Bizarre, I have had quite a different experience. ot all hope is lost, you managed to say one thing that made sense. It helps t actually have skills other than whining. as you demonstrate through your rampblings. To bad you were not there to warn all those inter-ethnic and inter-racial couples whose WEDDING have attended.I won't boher with the rest.

Keep digging yourself in a hole. The U.S. Supreme Court was not asked to decide is burning a flag is right or wrong. It was asked to determine if it was legal.

I would tend to be concerned if Beck and Palin actually had any hope of carrying the momentum into power. they don't, because they keep stumbling over and over. Like with the rally... if they had any hope of feeding off the civil rights legacy of MLK, it failed miserably the moment Beck showed his complete cluelessness by evoking MLK in support of the military. successful demagogues in the past have succeeded in luring people not because they made sense, but because they were intelligent enough not to look like they had no clue on what they were talking about.

Feel free to make a fool of yourself.

What would be bizarre would be for anyone to believe you.

You really ARE that obtuse. It is not about "hurt feeling". It is about the simple fact that acts of hatred are wrong. Don't worry, I do not expect you to understand that.

Yes weasel words. If there is one thing that I learned from experience, it's that people who say "one begin to wobnder" are actually insinuating that something is happening. So, tell us what the real intent of the promoters of the cordoba Project is, since you ahem "wonde" what it is (in other word, it is clear to me that you don't believe them).

You actually do believe that people will not get the meaning behind your "!one begins to wonder" bit? If you gonna question the intent of the promoters of the Cordoba Project, do it openly, not using weasel words.

i didn't realize that the thread was about flag. but let's it. It is already clear I feel acts of hatred are wrong. So, do you really need to ask what I think of burning a flag out of hatred? It's not already evident to you?

Actually, nobody has demonstrated the stupidity of it.

Ainxw I did not make such an equation, why don't you address your postings to those who did it? I am not hear to defend or justify positions I don't share.

Actually, when done out of hatred, it is. But how dare you calling such acts stupid? After all, don't they have the right to do it?

Wait no more... You already know what I think of burning of the Bible for hateful reasons. sorry if I doin't feel the need to show empathy towards people who would do that kind of thing.

In case you have not been able to figure that one yet, nobody here has said they did not have a legal right to do what they paln to do. Like it or not, that right does not shield them from being taken to task for it.

There is nothing wrong with drawing cartoons of Mohammed... Childish I would say, but not wrong. And there is nothing wrong about protesting the Corboda Project..;. except when the protest turns into bigotry and hatred. But only a moron would consider hateful acts clearly advertised as acts of hatred to be ok because /they own the book/. and it takes a hyper-moron to call islamosubmissive anybody woho does not accept it. But do not fear anyone. I will defend you right to make fools of yourselves.

So, because the physical object is thier property, there is nothing wrong with the fact that they proclaim to the world that they hate Islam and will burn their copies of the Qu`ran to prove it, and a delibarate show of hatred? What a way of making a fool of yourself. You are to be applauded.

If you think that there is nothing wrong with delibarately show hatred by burning religious symbols, YOU need to get a grip.

You actually need to be told why haineous acts are wrong? Or maybe you believe they are right. Please feel free to explain how.

It would be insensitive if the proponents had not made any efforts to respond to the feelings the project arouse amongst the relative s of the victims. The fact that some of them approve the project demonstrate that they have made such efforts.

If anybody does not get it, it's you. It is not about what standard Florida yokel and a NYC Iman should be held too. It is about the willingless by some to downplay the yokels' actions and utter platitudes like "they have the right to do it" instead of saying clearly what is self evident: WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS WRONG AND HEINOUS. Never mind that they will not get it.

The Cordoba Project has not caused nearly as much pain as the venom spewed by some of its opponents. BTW, the fact that there is no residential community in the area is irrelevant. Places of worship belong everywhere human being congragate, including business areas. I dasagree. This time makes dialogue even more necessary than ever. As for the Cordoba Project being a polotical statement - of course it is. It is a statement that there are Muslims who will not let Al-Quaeda speak for them.

It is of course clear that the opinion of these Muslims has not been asimportant as the opinions of victims... nor has the opinion of most politicians, fpor that matter. Mind you, given another 15 hours of reading these, who knows what I would have had to say about these points of view. What I find interesting is that your message quote a typo I made (and it was actually what it was, regardless of what you may thin) AFTER I noticed and corredted it. Sorry for the typo, btw. And once again I did not state you made such a claim. This habit of protesting that you did not say what i did not claim you said was laugable at first. Now, it becomes merely boring. And i disagree. what is right is right, and what is wrong is wrong. Excuse me while I laugh The only way one can assume that I disregard the opinion of the opponents is thorugh a twisted (and rather hilrious) twist of logic under which one either agree with the opinions expressed by opponents or dismiss them. There is no doubt that the opinion of some of the opponents is reasonable and fair, regardless of whether I agree with them or not. There also can be no doubt that the opinions expressed by some of the opponents are rooted in ignorance, bigotry and exploting fear for political goals. My empathy does not extend to accepting those opinions without a word. That's your opinion. Facts speak otherwise. I say some people do some bad thing, so i am necessariy imply that you do each and everyone of them too. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz< Let me know when you know what you're talking about.

The "this building would not have been available if not for the attack" is disingenious at best. It ignores the possibility that the site could have become available at anytime even if it has not been damaged. Besides, it ignores an important fact - there was a Muslim prayer space at the WTC, attended by some of the victims. Surely, empathy for the families of these victims would include a place where they can pray and mourn for those they lost.

I disagree. That their opinion has not been mentioned bofore says a lot about the importance given to it. and I neversaid you said such a thing. That being said, this is a case where silence on all parts says a lot. What is right or wrong is not a matter of majority or minority opinion, so no I would notcuse the fact my opinion is shared by the majority even if it was. Now that I finished laughing at the gross misrepresentation of my opinion... There is no doubt that the families of their victims, and many in the society at large, see in the idea of a Muslim presence near Ground Zero as a painful reminder of what happened on 9-11. Nobody in his/her right mind would claim that these feeling should be discounted, or that the promoters of the Cordoba Project should discount them. The thing though, is that the promoters have done a lot to address these feelings and explain their intentions. Most importantly, empathy towards the families and relatives of the feelings does not include condoning words of hatred and intolerance or misrepresentation of the intent of the promoters, whether they come from relatives of the victimms or people bent on advancing an intolerant agenda. The only thing that makes it unrealistic is intolerance.